March 23, 2026

Rocky III (1982)

Rocky III (1982)
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Season 61982 MoviesSports

"The legend continues...The Italian Stallion is back!!" In this episode, we discuss the return of one of the most successful sports fanchises in movie history, 'Rocky III.' The movie stars Sylvester Stallone, Talia Shire, Carl Weathers and Mr. T. It was also written and directed by Sylvester Stallone.

Rocky III - IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084602/?ref_=tttg_ov_bk
Rocky III - Rotten Tomatoes: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/rocky_iii
More about the Rocky Statue: https://www.rockystatue.com/the-statue



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Hello, and welcome to the All Eighties Movies Podcast, the

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podcast where we talk about the bocklist, the flops, and

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everything in between from one of the freshest decades from movies,

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the nineteen eighties. I'm her host Bill bant Long. With

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me on this journey revisiting eighties movies is my co

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host Jason Massik. Hello, Jason. Now when we fought, you

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had that.

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I are the tiger Man, the edge, and now you

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got to get it back. And the way to get

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it back is to go back to the beginning, you

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know what I mean. Maybe we could win it back together.

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I Am the tiger Man.

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That's right, Listeners who are discussing with spoilers and plenty.

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The nineteen eighty two boxing sequel Rocky three, produced by

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United Artist and distributed by mgm UA Entertainment Company. The

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movie stars Sylvester Stallone, Carl Weathers, Tyler Shyer, and Mister T.

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Written and directed by Sylvester Stallone, this movie's rat at

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PG with the running time of one hour and thirty

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nine minutes. The movie was nominated for one OSCAR for

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Best Music Original Song. I Am the Tiger So what

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is this movie about? What's on the box. If you

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grew up in the nineteen eighties and went to your

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local video store to rent this movie, you would find

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this description on the back of the VHS box.

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It is what's in the box, Take it away. Jason

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Stallone continues the story of the likable no hoper who

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makes good with Rocky now at the peak of his career,

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world champion with ten successful title fights under his belt

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at the age of thirty four, he now has his

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best years behind him and he has grown complacent, living

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like a prince on the massive earnings accumulated during his career.

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At the ceremonial unveiling of a statue erected in his

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honor in his hometown of Philadelphia, Rocky is publicly challenged

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by the bombastic Clubber Lang, played with admirable menace by

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one time bodyguard mister t and against the advice of

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his long suffering manager Mickey Burgess Meredith, Rocky accepts the

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challenge and the stage is set for a grudge match.

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Rocky doesn't take the threat of Clubber seriously, and whilst

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Clubber drives himself to physical limits, Rocky turns his pre

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match training into a showcase on the night of the fight,

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Mickey collapses, and a distraught Rocky is no match for

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the fanatical clubber. With his title gone and obscurity beckoning,

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Rocky is saved from the brink by his old adversary,

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Apollo Creed, winningly played by Carl Weathers, who persuades Rocky

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to train for a rematch. The film moves towards its

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climax at an electric pace, culminating in one of the

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most exciting and violent fight sequences ever to be filmed,

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Rocky three. Wow.

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The only thing that descriptions did not say is who

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won the last fight?

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Right away? Everything and that's our podcast, Thanks for listening, World, Yeah,

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pretty much covers it all.

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So that was what's in the box for Rocky three. Jason,

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you remember when you first saw Rocky three.

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I do remember. I remember specific feelings. I saw it

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in the theater. This is what I remember at this age.

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As I was a youngin I was involved in competitive

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sports and dance, and I was constantly rehearsing and practicing.

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And this is all thanks to my mom and being

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extremely disciplined basically training. Right. So, when I saw this film,

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I'll never forget how disappointed I was in Rocky Bilboa

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not taking this fight against clubber Lang seriously. And I

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think it was just because I was such a perfectionist

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as a kid, and that feeling just stayed with me

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over the years. And the other really strong memory I have,

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of course, when I just mentioned that I was in

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dance with the of course Kim Kalla's dance studio in

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Lake Villa, Illinois. We danced many, many a time to

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the classic survivor song I of the Tigers, so iconic.

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So it is obviously so connected to this movie. That's

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all I got really for earliest memories, just that disappointment

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and of course then the redemption at the end and

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the feel good rooting for the underdog kind of story

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that I've always appreciated with the Rocky film. So what

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do you got? What do you remember? Do you remember

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when the first time you saw this film?

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Bill Bant If you don't know, listeners, but I am

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from Philadelphia, so Rocky does mean the lot to the city,

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And if you want to make fun of it, that's fine,

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But if you really watched the first one, you would

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understand why the city embraced this movie, embrace this character.

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As it comes to the films. The only Rocky movie

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I saw in Philadelphia was Rocky So, Rocky two, Rocky three,

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Rocky four I saw in New Jersey at least it's

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the neighboring state, so in the neighborhood. Rocky F five

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and Rocky Bouboa I saw in Florida, and then all

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the Creed films I've seen out here in California, and

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I almost have a story for all of them, except

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for Rocky three. I know my dad took me and

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that's all I remember. I'm not sure if it was

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in Pennsauken, New Jersey, or we saw it down in Wildwood.

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That I don't remember, but I do remember. I have

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seen them all in the theater, that much I know,

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and only one of them in Philadelphia.

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Being in Philadelphia, man, I just sometimes I'm so jealous

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of your memory. It's like a steel trap. Man, It's

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just all in there. I have to mention one more

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thing that I have very very much associated with this film.

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I'll never forget. As a kid, I had a forty

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five vinyl which was released in nineteen eighty four, and

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it was called Rocky Versus Clubbert Lang and it's by

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kids stuff Records featured a dramatized retelling of the rivalry

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with audio narration, accompanied by a book for children to

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follow along with the story of Rocky and Clever Lang.

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You can look it up. It's hilarious, it's crazy. It

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was a forty five. It is hilarious, and it's like

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an animated picture of mister t on the forty five cover,

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very colorful. It's it's great. Brings me way way back.

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Do you remember what the chime was to turn the page?

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Then? I don't. You would think it would be the

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bell between round Yeah, right, turned the page. Yeah.

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Oh. I still love those forty fives and the sound

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effect there.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, all right, So let's talk about the movie Rocky three.

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What are our impressions, Yeah, impressions. Well, let's let's get

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into this is gonna be fun. Man. As soon as

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this film started, I was like, let's go, man, great

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title card and that theme music. You know, I want

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to talk about this real quick with you, Bill Banton,

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your connection to the music itself, because we know that

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Bill Conti does the score and it is so iconic,

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so identifiable. We'll talk about I have the Tiger in

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a minute, but just the the actual orchestral soundtrack, and

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of course Gonna Fly Now all great, but for me personally,

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I love everything orchestral. I'm Gonna Fly Now is a classic.

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I appreciate it, I respect it, but I like the

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triumphant horns that start the rocky thea that dunduda dunnd

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u da dunnda dun dun dun dun dun dun du.

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And then beyond that, there's where is it? I have

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it listed. There's a track I think it's called the

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Final Bell where it's that there's a build up with

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the trump the trumpets and when he when he's like

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at the end of the fight, and then he wins

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and you know, and he has that a triumphant like

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he jumps on me. Those pieces of music to me

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give me chills every time, and that's what I associate

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with the film greatly, and I always look forward to

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hearing it. And so when this film begins with that,

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I was just like, I'm ready, let's watch this man

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and let's have fun with it. I didn't know what, well,

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how do you feel but just you or what is

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your connection to the music. Oh?

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I just always love the music. It's especially in the

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first movie when it's the fight, it brings tears in

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my eyes. That's how much, Like I said, this is

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how much this movie is connected to just the heart

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of Philadelphia. And this is how popular this movie was

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because you know, back when we were young, we didn't

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really have cable. We had or the UHF channels, and

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they would show Rocky twice a year and that would

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get better ratings than network shows. That's how popular that

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movie was. Even thinking about that scene in Rocky when

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he's in bed and he tells Adrian that he knows

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he's going to lose the fight and says, I'm just

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going to go the distance. No one's done that. I

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might not beat him, but I'm going to go the distance.

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And that gets me every time because it helps me too.

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If you're setting goals and you know you're not going

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to reach the goal, like you just reset and make

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another goal. I get a lot out of that story.

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He's an underdog, everyone loves him, and the music just

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works great. I mean, I don't know how many times

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as a kid working out, I guess what I'm putting

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on the theme to or just to get myself just

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pumped up about anything.

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I just put it on.

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It's very inspiring and yeah, the horns, and it's just

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awesome stuff, perfectly, perfectly stated. It is so identifiable. And

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you mentioned heart, you mentioned inspiration, the perfect workout music,

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and I was just thinking about how we obviously are

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always going on about John Williams, of course, one of

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the greatest, if not the greatest film score composer of

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all time, and all of his identifiable film score themes.

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But this rank's right up there. It's got to be

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in the top ten as far as the most identifiable

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with a particular movie. It's right there. I love it,

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and I love your connection to the films of having

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been from Philadelphia, and for me you mentioned Underdog. I

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was like thinking about this because my fandom for this

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franchise started with Rocky two before going back to the

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first Rocky film and then watching the rest, and I

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have seen all of the films, but I was thinking

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to myself, as a young kid, was this where I

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learned about the real underdog story or to root for

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the underdog? And ever since always rooting for the underdog

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and any sporting event unless I have a dog in

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the fight. And I'm a particular fan of a team,

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but I wondered how many people really just love the

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Underdog because of these movies. I mean, it's pretty simple

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and pretty smart. I mean, obviously the Underdog story goes

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back to the beginning of time, but this reinforces it.

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I hadn't watched any of these films in a long time,

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and when this movie begins, it's just good to see

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the cast back together again. It's feel good. And speaking

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of the theme Song'm Gonna Fly Now. You mentioned this before,

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I hadn't even rewatched the film for this podcast. This

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movie flies by. Yes, it's a quick watch this movie.

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You mentioned it total running time on an hour in

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thirty nine minutes. If you take out the opening previously

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on Rocky sequence yep, and then the end credits, this

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movie is like an hour and a half long. It's crazy, yeah,

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and it cruises, and so my first impression is that,

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a it's a blast, it's fun, be great to see

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the cast of characters back together. Just great to see

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the familiar faces back. I love Carl Weather's huge standout

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for me in this and then issues I had if

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my overall issue with this upon rewatching it again, it's

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very by the numbers it's a bit superficial. Not a

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lot of depth in this film. You know me, I'm

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all about depth and relationships and journeys and arcs and

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things like that. But I still love these characters and

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I had a really good time watching again. So that's

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like my overall first impression. But I can't wait to

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start talking about the cast and just how we feel

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about some of these performances in this So what's your

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overall just take upon revisiting this man, I.

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Would say of all sports movies, my favorite ones are

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boxing movies because most of the time they are underdog stories.

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It's their life since shambles, or they're coming to the

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end of their career and this is our last opportunity

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and they somehow pulled off because at that point they

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can get as much training or teaching as they want,

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but once they step in the ring, it's just them.

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And I think that's one of the things. It could

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be Rocky, you could be Diggstown. Whatever the movies are.

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I just always enjoy boxing. I always joke I love

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submarine movies. I love boxing movies. If they made a

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boxing movie in a submarine, it would be the greatest

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movie of all time. But the one thing I did

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notice about this Rocky was Rocky seems a little bit

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smarter then he has in the other two movies, which

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is kind of funny because he's been taking a beaten,

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big beaten in the movie so far. Yep, Adrian's gotten

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a little prettier. Yeah, I've noticed that just getting better

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looking at the movies go on. And this movie definitely

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is the most humorous or really tries for the jokes

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of all the movie. I think this movie has more

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jokes than all the other ones combined. I mean, the

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other ones do have jokes here or there, but this

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one really pushes the laughs even though there's some seriousness

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in it. I was surprised how many jokes it throws

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out throughout the film. Yeah, the first two you'd really

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consider dramas. The fourth one I can kind of consider

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a music video. The fifth one don't even want to

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talk about that. You go back to the drama with

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Rocky Balboa and the Creeden wants to dramas. So this

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one's really the comedy one. I think you're right to

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character that really has some sort of arc per se

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is Carl Weathers is Apollo that he's kind of come

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to the good side here. He was our villain our

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last two movies, and now he's coming as the hero

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to help Rocky and revive his career at least win

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this last fight. Because here we go, Rocky's retiring again.

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I think here we are in Rocky three, and I

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think he's retired four times already. Well, it's true to

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life in boxing too. How many times we heard fighters

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retired and then come back. So no surprise there. I

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guess they all got it from Rocky.

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I don't know. I love that you're talking about Carl

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Weathers because he's amazing in this and I do remember

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this as a kid too. It's the enemy's becoming friends.

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I love the team up. Love the team up. They

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get over their differences or have won or lost the

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previous fight and now working together. It's an that is

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a highlight to watch and watch their relationship develop throughout

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the wonderful training montages in this. But yeah, stillone man

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always got a root for him. He is a lot

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sharper and sharper dressed of course in this story, and uh,

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looking real good. I was gonna say this is our

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fourth Stallone film? Is it? Not? Here? On the All

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Eighties Movies podcast, I was we did Victory Nighthawk's First Blood.

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Would this be the fourth? Yeah? Am I missing anything?

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I not?

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Off the time, I can't think of one, but I'm

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sure if we have a listener we missed one though,

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don't let us know.

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Yeah, but just speaking of Stallone playing the titular role, man,

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he looks fantastic in this. You know, when we watch

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the Creed films, obviously Michael B. Jordan is great and

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he's completely jacked, but we go back to this, holy

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crap man, Stallone is ripped. Yes, he's got the broad shoulders.

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You look like the width of his when you see

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his back and his just shoulders. He's got that V shape.

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And then he loses the weight for the final fight

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and literally looks trimmed down and clearly did that for

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the film. That's in the trivia. There's moments though, I mean,

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he looks fantastic. He appears to be wearing makeup in

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certain scenes, but his cheeks are so sunken in it's

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as if you can see his skull. Sometimes I'm like, wow,

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I can see right through his skin. But it's still

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impressive to me that Stallone is writing and directing and

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commissioning a statue of himself in this But seriously, as

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a kid, it's funny I was thinking about this bill.

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I was always a fan of directors. I became a

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film buff growing up, and I was like Spielberg, Lucas,

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and then I started following all the directors like I'm

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gonna go see this movie because so and so directed

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it and so and so's in it. But I never

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really paid attention to the fact that Stallone himself was

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a writer director. The dude, he's a smart guy. He's

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such an accomplished dude. I think we've talked about this

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in the previous podcast we've done with movies that he

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stars in. But I just have a real appreciation for

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him every time I see this movie as just an

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accomplished filmmaker. Also, I love to see him in his

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platform shoes or boots. How many inches do you think

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those those shoes give him in this movie?

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Oh?

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Maybe three?

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That's what I lets stand next to. It's Paul Cogan, right.

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But I have to say I really also have to

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give him credit for his acting chops that he has

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some quality scenes in this where he's really solid. He

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can bring it down, and he can be very dramatic

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and very believable. He's that blue collar guy still at

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the end of the day that you relate to and

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want to win and to overcome. So I didn't know

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if you had any thoughts on stallone.

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In general, there's definitely a character change from the first two,

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and it's almost shocking in a way because.

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Here he was in the first two movies.

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You know, he's wearing his hat and his jacket and

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bouncing the pimple ball around and now and here he's

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all nicely dressed and dignified, and it really takes club

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Lang to knock the street back into him. So I

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did find that interesting. I think the character or even

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the actor who really got me thinking was mister T.

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I mean, I want to talk about perfect mister T.

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You know, the mohawk, the chains, the feathers in his ears.

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He was such an icon of the eighties and where

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you looked, you saw him, and he was a good

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role model. This is the only time he really plays

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like a baddie. Of course, you know, this is his debut.

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I just couldn't believe just thinking about him, how much

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he affected that decade Cereal cartoon shirts. I remember having

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an eighteen shirt with him a bracas. Yes, I do

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really like him. In this he takes the Apollo Creed

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character and turns it up to a spinal top reference

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to an eleven. Yeah, you want Rocky to kick his

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ass at the end, and it is satisfying to watch

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that happen.

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Yeah, it is. He plays a great villain. And it's

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funny you mentioned that because then he becomes so lovable

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after this and becomes such a huge character in real

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life with all the promotions, commercials, a team, all that stuff,

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and he just has the best quotes in this movie.

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The interviewers saying, do you hate Rocky? No, I don't hate.

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I pitted the fool and I will destroy any man

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who tries to take what I got. So there it is,

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I pity the fool. First time we hear it? Oh yeah,

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is in this movie. That's where it began to where

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the end. It's it's amazing. Well it goes back to

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back these quotes. What's your prediction for the fight? My prediction, Yes,

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your prediction pain. It's like, come on, that's great for

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a debut. How solid is that? And for him to

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just then Skyrocket after this love the moment, the look

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that changed, like you said, it's just great, great stuff man.

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Yeah, and Skyrocket as a positive role model. Yeah, I

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think he was part of the same note of drugs

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campaign back then too. He was just everywhere.

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Yeah, super likable. You know who's not likable in this movie?

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Oh Paulie Bert Young. Oh my god, talk about a

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useless piece of shit. I'm sorry, man, be vulgar right

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from the start here, but that's just another like stepping

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on complaints here. He is like an alcoholic bum. I mean,

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Rocky calls him a bum. He's a hanger on, right,

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he's a racist. He destroys a perfectly good Rocky pinball machine.

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In the beginning, the film begins on him. He's the focus.

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After the opening a mount of time, Rocky lets him

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into his life and to his house and then gives

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him what he as asking for. But what does he

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do in this movie? What does Polly actually do in

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this movie? Besides always saying I don't sweat you, I

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don't sweat you.

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Right, he either complaints or one liners. And in the

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first two movies he's not that great either, but this one,

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I just think he's even worse.

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Yeah. I mean, you know, we all have our family dramas.

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But I would have thought the way he was, they

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would have cut ties with him see.

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You later, right completely. And also, I you know again,

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I just want to make this clear. It's Paullie the

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character is despicable. It's not Burt Young. Bert's you know,

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he's great. We love Bert Young the actor, and obviously

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we talked about him and Back to School, how he's

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great with Dangerfields. He's really good in that movie. Actually, yeah,

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talk about that. But but yeah, he's just useless in

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this and it's just like he has no arc, no journey, No,

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he's just hanging out in the background kind of being.

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Yeah, because there's the scene when they leave their kid

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with I'm like, what are you crazy? I would not

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leave my kid with PAULI no way, right, go hire

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someone bring kid.

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Yeah. Man, uh yeah, we talked about Carl Weathers. I

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don't want to spend too much time just doting on

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this guy, but man, rip Carl Weathers. I miss now

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that guy. He looks so good in this. He is

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the ultimate athlete, so light on his feet, when he's

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dancing around in the training sequences with rock I mean,

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this guy is floating, floating like a butterfly, right. I Mean,

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he's got the enthusiasm, the charisma, love the character and

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the team up with Rocky in this film. But Carl

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Weathers just consummate badass and everything you hear from anybody

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that was around him says that he was just a

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true gentleman and the nicest guy. And we have his

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Cami and close encounters. I'm just an Action Jackson and

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Predator fan. I know you are as well, of course.

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Oh yeah, and then the Mandalorian. I mean, it's just

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always just so pleasing just to see him appear in

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anything because he's the man.

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Yeah, it's one of these movies you watch and you go,

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why was this guy? And more stuff? I don't get

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it always Yep, even with the action films with Action Jackson,

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I thought it did well enough that he should have

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got more stuff. So that kind of surprised me. And

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he's definitely a positive to this series. And yeah, unfortunately

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that's one of the things. This is the movie where

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we start killing off characters. You know, we start with

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Mickey here and then Apollo and Adrian doesn't make it

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so Rocky Balboa. So this is when Still it's like,

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you know what, I'm gonna get a bigger check and

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cut you guys out. I guess I don't know. I

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don't know what it was behind the scenes, but it

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seemed like someone had to die now from here on out.

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Yeah, we got to make it dramatic somehow. And that

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Bill Ban with a great segue here, because I wanted

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to ask you about your relationship to Burgas Meredith. I

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really am not familiar with much of his work outside

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the Rocky franchise, but I do love him so much.

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In this is Mickey. It's an iconic role. I mean,

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this is his role and he owns it. And wait

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a minute, he's Jewish, He's not Irish American. But man,

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his death is tough in this it's tough. It's pretty

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hard to watch still for me, I don't know, it's

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pretty emotional.

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Yeah, you just there's just something about the cranky old

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man that you just love so much. Yeah, Burgess Meredith,

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this is the Penguin, I mean, two iconic roles, and

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it just shows in this one how much he loves Rocky.

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He basically infests that he's protecting him so he can

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keep the title. You know, in the first one they

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were at odds and then they got together and the

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way he revived Mickey's career too. Mickey owes everything to

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Rocky and he tries to do whatever he can to

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keep Rocky on top Yep.

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Absolutely, we can talk about Hulkgan later on. I believe

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in maybe maybe favorite scenes. I'm not sure, but we

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will find out. I was just gonna say, we got

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to talk just a few more things. Training montages, man,

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we get technically three in this They're all great in

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my opinion. Here's an additional question right from the start

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Field band. Do you have a favorite training montage for

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this is from this entire franchise. I don't know if

456
00:23:09.720 --> 00:23:11.079
there's too many to remember, but.

457
00:23:11.319 --> 00:23:14.759
I think in the second one, when Rocky is running

458
00:23:14.799 --> 00:23:17.359
down the streets of Philly and all the kids start chasing,

459
00:23:17.880 --> 00:23:21.440
and there's that one moment where Rocky kicks it in

460
00:23:21.480 --> 00:23:24.400
the second gear and there's that one kid that keeps

461
00:23:24.480 --> 00:23:26.640
up for like half a block and then just fades,

462
00:23:26.640 --> 00:23:29.400
and then Rocky's just he does not have great running

463
00:23:29.400 --> 00:23:32.200
for him. It's very herky jerky, but the fact that

464
00:23:32.640 --> 00:23:35.039
you can see how much faster he's going to everyone else.

465
00:23:35.160 --> 00:23:37.799
That one always stands out. Hell yeah, man, I think

466
00:23:37.839 --> 00:23:38.319
you're right.

467
00:23:38.359 --> 00:23:40.160
I think maybe it was a silly question because I

468
00:23:40.200 --> 00:23:43.079
think now you say that that's the obvious choice. But man,

469
00:23:43.119 --> 00:23:47.160
I am partial to Rocky four going to the mountaintop lifting.

470
00:23:47.279 --> 00:23:50.079
Oh yeah, doing the whole thing, and yes, you old

471
00:23:50.119 --> 00:23:55.640
school with the great Is that a John Parr song

472
00:23:55.680 --> 00:23:59.599
that's playing during that montage too? Oh it's somebody similar

473
00:23:59.640 --> 00:24:02.799
to that, the classic like eighties you know movie right theme?

474
00:24:02.920 --> 00:24:06.000
What it plays during that? So correct me if I'm wrong,

475
00:24:06.079 --> 00:24:09.200
Listeners and tell us what your favorite training montage is

476
00:24:09.240 --> 00:24:14.400
from the Rocky films. Built makeup effects that jumped out

477
00:24:14.440 --> 00:24:17.240
at me. Man, let's give a shout out to Michael Westmore.

478
00:24:17.359 --> 00:24:19.640
He did the makeup and prosthetics for Rocky and Rocky

479
00:24:19.640 --> 00:24:24.200
two and Rocky three. Awesome. Yes, I mean I'm looking

480
00:24:24.240 --> 00:24:26.880
at this and it's after like the clubber Lang fight,

481
00:24:26.920 --> 00:24:29.119
the first fight in this film. His whole eye is

482
00:24:29.160 --> 00:24:32.119
swollen when he's over Mickey as Mickey is about to

483
00:24:32.119 --> 00:24:35.279
pass and it's tough. It's like, Wow, the makeup is

484
00:24:35.519 --> 00:24:38.359
really really believable. It's great stuff. I mean, it looks

485
00:24:38.880 --> 00:24:39.839
so good. Yeah.

486
00:24:39.880 --> 00:24:41.440
I think there was one of the Rocky movies, I'm

487
00:24:41.440 --> 00:24:43.960
not sure which one was, where they start with all

488
00:24:44.119 --> 00:24:47.519
the prosthetics on their face and then they filmed it backwards,

489
00:24:47.519 --> 00:24:49.839
so then they were taking stuff off because they figured

490
00:24:49.880 --> 00:24:51.440
it was easier to do it that way than to

491
00:24:51.519 --> 00:24:54.759
put everything on for each round, probably one or two,

492
00:24:55.160 --> 00:24:58.119
because I mean the fights in these movies, we only

493
00:24:58.119 --> 00:25:01.079
get five rounds of boxing. Yeah, right, but yeah, he

494
00:25:01.200 --> 00:25:03.240
really does look like he got pummeled.

495
00:25:03.240 --> 00:25:07.000
It does not look fake exactly. That's the point. It's

496
00:25:07.000 --> 00:25:10.319
got to be believable. The blood, the swelling, the bruising,

497
00:25:11.200 --> 00:25:14.680
the cruising, the swollen eye that's closed, you know, shut,

498
00:25:14.960 --> 00:25:17.279
it's just it's great. So I wanted to give that

499
00:25:17.319 --> 00:25:20.359
shout out to Michael wes Moore also built some stood

500
00:25:20.400 --> 00:25:23.000
out to me in this this particular film. The sound

501
00:25:23.000 --> 00:25:26.279
design I thought was great. There were some added effects,

502
00:25:26.319 --> 00:25:30.039
a lot of whooshes and eerie noises during the fights,

503
00:25:30.559 --> 00:25:33.559
especially with you know, club or laying because you get

504
00:25:33.599 --> 00:25:37.119
that almost that that roaring noise. And actually, if you

505
00:25:37.200 --> 00:25:40.720
listen to Aya the Tire during the end credits, you

506
00:25:40.839 --> 00:25:43.759
hear the tiger roar in the song, which I had

507
00:25:43.799 --> 00:25:46.000
not heard before. It's a different version of it, and

508
00:25:46.079 --> 00:25:49.359
that is throughout the film. So you get a lot

509
00:25:49.359 --> 00:25:53.079
of these dark kind of background sound effects in the

510
00:25:53.160 --> 00:25:57.519
sound design during the boxing bouts. It's pretty cool. I

511
00:25:57.559 --> 00:25:59.440
appreciated that upon this rewatch.

512
00:26:00.119 --> 00:26:01.920
Yeah, I'm glad you pointed it out. I didn't really

513
00:26:01.920 --> 00:26:03.839
think about it until you mentioned it, But yeah, there is,

514
00:26:04.000 --> 00:26:06.880
especially during the boxing, there is a lot of instead

515
00:26:06.920 --> 00:26:09.920
of human yelling, there is some sound effects in there

516
00:26:09.960 --> 00:26:14.559
instead that are basically representing how they feel with these sounds,

517
00:26:15.079 --> 00:26:19.079
especially with Clubber that ye roaring. Yeah, he has the

518
00:26:19.119 --> 00:26:20.279
eye of the tiger at that point.

519
00:26:20.519 --> 00:26:23.599
He is a tiger. Yeah, he's a beast. He's an animal,

520
00:26:23.640 --> 00:26:26.359
and that's the point obviously, And it's driven home by

521
00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:29.680
that sound design because he is coming at He's like

522
00:26:29.680 --> 00:26:31.359
a Mike Tyson. I mean, he just comes at with

523
00:26:31.519 --> 00:26:36.400
ferocity and he's always screaming, like doing all the screaming

524
00:26:36.519 --> 00:26:38.960
with the roar in the background, and the sound design

525
00:26:39.079 --> 00:26:39.920
is just enhanced.

526
00:26:40.400 --> 00:26:43.519
And then even in the second one with the just

527
00:26:43.559 --> 00:26:46.359
the breathing, where Rocky realized is like the only one

528
00:26:46.400 --> 00:26:48.160
I'm going to win this movie. I gotta wear him out.

529
00:26:48.480 --> 00:26:50.880
Yeah, the last point I was going to make. And

530
00:26:50.960 --> 00:26:54.240
you can talk about whatever obviously you want, Bill Pant

531
00:26:54.279 --> 00:26:57.359
because I know your deep connection to this whole thing.

532
00:26:57.400 --> 00:27:00.599
But the choreography, man, I love it. Now. Now I

533
00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:04.200
can maybe step also on a complaint with the phantom punches,

534
00:27:04.359 --> 00:27:07.240
which are very noticeable now because that's kind of dates

535
00:27:07.279 --> 00:27:08.960
this movie a little bit. You can see where the

536
00:27:08.960 --> 00:27:12.279
punches are missing, but you can see they're acting, of course,

537
00:27:12.319 --> 00:27:14.440
and they're reacting to the punches as if they've been

538
00:27:14.519 --> 00:27:17.319
hitting their head, jerks backward, et cetera on the jabs

539
00:27:17.359 --> 00:27:20.799
and things like that. But the choreography is incredible. I

540
00:27:20.880 --> 00:27:24.119
was watching a little behind the scenes of the scene

541
00:27:24.119 --> 00:27:26.720
from the open of a scene that was deleted from

542
00:27:26.759 --> 00:27:31.160
the opening montage sequence when Rocky is going through his

543
00:27:31.519 --> 00:27:34.680
ten different fighters to defend his title, and I'm gonna

544
00:27:34.680 --> 00:27:37.160
give a shout out to his brother Frank stallone. Frank

545
00:27:37.200 --> 00:27:40.759
stallone Junior. Frank stallone had a tiny bit part in

546
00:27:40.799 --> 00:27:43.759
the opening, but there was an extended sequence that was cut.

547
00:27:43.759 --> 00:27:45.680
But if you watch the deleted scene and you watch

548
00:27:45.759 --> 00:27:48.799
them shoot this scene, you can see the cameras in

549
00:27:48.839 --> 00:27:52.079
the background stuff. They are going for it and it

550
00:27:52.160 --> 00:27:56.839
is so specifically choreographed. I was like, these guys are badasses, man.

551
00:27:57.000 --> 00:27:59.240
I mean they got to hit their marks and they've

552
00:27:59.240 --> 00:28:01.279
got a punch when they're supposed to punch, and it

553
00:28:01.279 --> 00:28:04.680
could be really dangerous. So I just want to give

554
00:28:04.720 --> 00:28:07.680
a shout out to the choreography and Frank Stallone too.

555
00:28:07.920 --> 00:28:10.480
He was a trooper and seeing that ultimately was cut

556
00:28:10.759 --> 00:28:13.160
something that just stood out again from on this rewatch

557
00:28:13.319 --> 00:28:14.799
revisiting the Rocky franchise.

558
00:28:15.079 --> 00:28:17.480
Yeah, what I do find it funny about these Rocky

559
00:28:17.519 --> 00:28:19.839
movies is you watch these fights and then you would

560
00:28:19.920 --> 00:28:23.119
go to watch a real boxing match and you'd be like, Yeah,

561
00:28:23.240 --> 00:28:25.279
what's going on? Why are they just standing there? Why

562
00:28:25.279 --> 00:28:28.279
are they just throwing little japs? This sucks. I need

563
00:28:28.319 --> 00:28:30.799
to go back and watch Rocky again. It's over the

564
00:28:30.799 --> 00:28:32.200
top drama of how it goes.

565
00:28:32.680 --> 00:28:32.880
Yeah.

566
00:28:32.880 --> 00:28:35.079
I didn't think it was too bad with the choreography.

567
00:28:35.119 --> 00:28:39.160
I was trying to watch with the polls and miss punches,

568
00:28:39.240 --> 00:28:41.720
and I didn't think it was as bad as I

569
00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:46.039
was expecting. Yeah, the fact that we only get five Yeah,

570
00:28:46.039 --> 00:28:48.559
we only get through five rounds. It's so surprising. It

571
00:28:48.880 --> 00:28:50.599
quick fights I mean the first two movies we go

572
00:28:50.640 --> 00:28:54.240
the distance, and then this one it's second round, three rounds.

573
00:28:54.400 --> 00:28:57.079
It's like, Wow, it's really a change on what they

574
00:28:57.160 --> 00:28:57.720
what they did.

575
00:28:58.119 --> 00:29:01.799
Yeah, and that's it's noticeable, and that's why we can

576
00:29:02.119 --> 00:29:04.400
we'll talk about it. But that's I think some of

577
00:29:04.440 --> 00:29:07.400
my issues are with again, just the kind of by

578
00:29:07.519 --> 00:29:11.640
the numbers superficiality of this film, and then the ending.

579
00:29:11.799 --> 00:29:13.839
I just kind of had a little bit of it

580
00:29:13.880 --> 00:29:16.359
was like, oh, dang it, I want more. I just

581
00:29:16.400 --> 00:29:20.039
wanted more. But overall, I still enjoyed this man. It

582
00:29:20.079 --> 00:29:24.680
was fun, definitely fun again overcoming the complacency that of

583
00:29:24.720 --> 00:29:27.640
being a big star as he is with the title,

584
00:29:27.720 --> 00:29:30.440
and then he has this inner struggle with the guilt

585
00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:33.200
and the fear. It's relatable on a level for sure.

586
00:29:33.680 --> 00:29:35.759
So that worked for me. Still a bit of that

587
00:29:35.839 --> 00:29:38.960
underdog story, you know, So it still plays for me.

588
00:29:39.480 --> 00:29:41.720
Is it my favorite I'll just say right now, no,

589
00:29:41.880 --> 00:29:45.000
not of the Rocky franchise, but I'm glad we got

590
00:29:45.039 --> 00:29:45.960
a chance to watch again.

591
00:29:46.160 --> 00:29:49.279
All right, let's move into favorite scenes or moments. What

592
00:29:49.319 --> 00:29:52.039
are some favorite scenes or moments we have from Rocky three? Jason,

593
00:29:52.039 --> 00:29:55.160
what do you got Yeah, absolutely, let's get into it.

594
00:29:55.240 --> 00:29:56.519
I'm gonna start from the beginning.

595
00:29:56.519 --> 00:29:58.920
It's the opening montage for me, as I mentioned that

596
00:29:59.000 --> 00:30:02.559
great title car with the theme music, the trumpets, the horns,

597
00:30:02.680 --> 00:30:05.519
I'm just like, let's go. Hey, you know what Bill

598
00:30:05.559 --> 00:30:07.680
would stood out for me. The highlight of this was

599
00:30:07.720 --> 00:30:10.079
the revisit to the end of Rocky Too. It got

600
00:30:10.119 --> 00:30:12.359
me emotional, and I thought it was smart that they

601
00:30:12.400 --> 00:30:14.799
did that that they showed at the end of because

602
00:30:14.839 --> 00:30:17.880
you just see Rocky get the crap beat out of

603
00:30:18.039 --> 00:30:21.039
He's just he's blind. Both of his eyes are swollen shut,

604
00:30:21.319 --> 00:30:24.319
goes right into eye the tiger come on, goes from

605
00:30:24.359 --> 00:30:27.640
the trumpets, the triumphant Rocky theme into iya the Tiger.

606
00:30:28.079 --> 00:30:31.519
Doesn't get much better than that, does it ever? Yeah,

607
00:30:31.559 --> 00:30:34.799
I just think it's hilarious. Then the film starts to

608
00:30:34.839 --> 00:30:38.720
focus on Paully during this montage of well, Rocky's kicking butt.

609
00:30:39.079 --> 00:30:41.880
But I think it's a great setup. We see mister

610
00:30:41.960 --> 00:30:44.119
t is clubber Lang, who's going to be the main

611
00:30:44.599 --> 00:30:47.119
battie in this the villain, the opponent to Rocky. So

612
00:30:47.440 --> 00:30:49.599
I love that. It's just a great setup. We're like, Okay,

613
00:30:49.640 --> 00:30:51.720
I know what this movie is gonna be it's gonna

614
00:30:51.720 --> 00:30:56.119
be Rocky versus clubb Lang. We get shots of Mickey.

615
00:30:56.720 --> 00:31:00.480
It's very clear that Rocky is now become a celeberty

616
00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:03.759
doing the commercials and advertisements. It's just a solid two

617
00:31:03.799 --> 00:31:06.039
minutes to start a movie and you're just off and

618
00:31:06.079 --> 00:31:08.920
that's why this movie flies. It's like it doesn't have

619
00:31:09.079 --> 00:31:12.000
to be has made a comment the complaint being superficiality,

620
00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:15.240
but this it doesn't have to be complicated. It's just like,

621
00:31:15.319 --> 00:31:17.279
let's lay out the plot right from the get go

622
00:31:17.359 --> 00:31:19.039
and let's rock Yeah.

623
00:31:19.119 --> 00:31:22.039
The Rocky scroll always just pumps me up just watching

624
00:31:22.039 --> 00:31:25.359
that Rocky fly across the screen. And yeah, it was

625
00:31:25.400 --> 00:31:27.440
funny watching the montage because then all of a sudden,

626
00:31:27.440 --> 00:31:29.039
Stillone's doing all these commercials.

627
00:31:29.160 --> 00:31:29.880
And that was one of.

628
00:31:29.839 --> 00:31:33.200
The jokes in the second one, when he signs to

629
00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:36.799
do commercials and he can't even read or act. Adrian

630
00:31:36.839 --> 00:31:39.480
helps him to learn to read. It's come a long way.

631
00:31:39.599 --> 00:31:41.400
It definitely shows in this, and it's cool that does

632
00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:43.640
kind of recap the start with the second one, gets

633
00:31:43.640 --> 00:31:45.680
you up the speed on his title defenses and then

634
00:31:45.799 --> 00:31:47.000
let's get right into the movie.

635
00:31:47.240 --> 00:31:48.279
Yeah, really worked for me.

636
00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:51.400
Yeah, so one of my favorite scenes is the humorous

637
00:31:51.519 --> 00:31:56.640
Rocky and it's the charity fight between Rocky Balboa and

638
00:31:56.799 --> 00:32:00.559
Thunderlips played by Hulk Hogan. And I think this is

639
00:32:00.599 --> 00:32:04.559
my first time seeing Hulk Hogan because then I remember

640
00:32:04.559 --> 00:32:06.200
watching in wrestling and going, oh my god, it's a

641
00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:10.240
Thunderlips guy. He's wrestling, so yeah. So it's boxer versus wrestler,

642
00:32:10.519 --> 00:32:14.759
and Thunderlips just goes all crazy on him and it

643
00:32:14.880 --> 00:32:16.720
ends up in a draw. But one of the lines

644
00:32:16.759 --> 00:32:19.480
I love the most is when they're introducing the two

645
00:32:19.839 --> 00:32:23.680
combatants and Rocky says to Mick, I wonder what he eats,

646
00:32:23.960 --> 00:32:26.279
and Micky goes probably about two hundred and two pounds,

647
00:32:26.759 --> 00:32:29.480
and then the announcer goes weighing two hundred and two

648
00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:33.640
pounds Rocky. That gets me every time. That's funny. And

649
00:32:33.640 --> 00:32:37.039
then Mick kind of looks at it and chuckles. So yeah,

650
00:32:37.119 --> 00:32:40.039
I mean they're throwing out one liners left and right.

651
00:32:40.559 --> 00:32:42.880
But I guess supposedly it is based on a true

652
00:32:42.880 --> 00:32:46.880
event MMA before MMA. I can't remember the boxer now

653
00:32:47.000 --> 00:32:50.039
who did fight a wrestler, and I think the wrestler

654
00:32:50.079 --> 00:32:51.720
won once he got him on the ground.

655
00:32:51.920 --> 00:32:54.960
There you go, this is a really silly fun sequence.

656
00:32:55.160 --> 00:32:57.519
I don't think I appreciated it as a kid. I

657
00:32:57.559 --> 00:33:00.440
just wanted to see Rocky in real boxing matches. I

658
00:33:00.440 --> 00:33:03.440
didn't quite understand. I wasn't like a big wrestling fan.

659
00:33:03.880 --> 00:33:07.759
But watching this now, just having such an appreciation now

660
00:33:07.799 --> 00:33:12.240
today of the wrestlers in World Wrestling Federation, all the federations,

661
00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:15.119
all the leagues, all the things. It's a real art form.

662
00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:18.599
And I was like, WHOA, Rocky's doing a good thing here,

663
00:33:18.720 --> 00:33:21.240
He's you know, he's doing this for charity. And I

664
00:33:21.319 --> 00:33:24.759
wasn't as critical of what he was doing as I

665
00:33:24.920 --> 00:33:26.799
was as a kid, being like, why aren't you taking

666
00:33:26.799 --> 00:33:28.799
your career seriously? At this point you got to prep

667
00:33:28.839 --> 00:33:31.000
for clubver Langs coming for you. Man, what are you doing?

668
00:33:31.319 --> 00:33:38.279
Futson around with this Thunderlips the Ultimate Male. Yes, hul Cogan,

669
00:33:38.960 --> 00:33:41.880
huge dude. When they're standing right next to each other.

670
00:33:41.759 --> 00:33:45.640
You're like, oh, hilarious, Yeah, and the thing here we go,

671
00:33:45.799 --> 00:33:48.400
mister t. He would eventually team up with hult Cogan

672
00:33:48.440 --> 00:33:50.680
and they would fight in WrestleMania, one of the biggest

673
00:33:50.720 --> 00:33:55.480
events in wrestling another eighties or even their classic appearance

674
00:33:55.519 --> 00:33:58.680
on Saturday Night Live with Billy Crystal. You look marvelous

675
00:33:58.759 --> 00:34:00.480
character and just racking.

676
00:34:00.319 --> 00:34:02.880
The two of them up. It's great, a lot of fun.

677
00:34:03.160 --> 00:34:05.160
So yeah, I think the last two favorite scenes are

678
00:34:05.160 --> 00:34:10.719
moments we both share, and the one is when Mickey

679
00:34:10.880 --> 00:34:14.119
basically spills the beans of Rocky that I've been Karen

680
00:34:14.400 --> 00:34:18.519
not necessarily carrying him but playing it safe for Rocky

681
00:34:18.679 --> 00:34:23.719
with his title defenses, and Rocky is certainly shocked by

682
00:34:23.800 --> 00:34:26.159
all of this, and they kind of have a heart

683
00:34:26.199 --> 00:34:29.280
to heart because Rocky has announced that he's going to retire.

684
00:34:29.639 --> 00:34:31.840
Clubber has challenged him, so he wants to do that

685
00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:35.239
as this last fight, and Mickey's like, no, you'll get killed.

686
00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:37.639
You're not the boxer you were three years ago, and

687
00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:39.679
if you step in the ring with this man, you're

688
00:34:39.719 --> 00:34:40.400
not going to last.

689
00:34:40.400 --> 00:34:41.119
Long man.

690
00:34:41.400 --> 00:34:43.719
He was certainly telling Rocky the truth.

691
00:34:43.920 --> 00:34:46.400
That's it. This is a really nice dramatic scene. It's

692
00:34:46.400 --> 00:34:50.719
a great acting scene for both Burgess, Meredith and stallone up.

693
00:34:50.800 --> 00:34:53.000
On the first watch, it took me out of a

694
00:34:53.079 --> 00:34:54.920
second because it felt like it was out of left field.

695
00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:59.000
When Clubber Lang is challenging Rocky at the statue presentation

696
00:34:59.159 --> 00:35:02.000
and Mickey's like, no, I'm not gonna manage you anymore.

697
00:35:02.000 --> 00:35:03.840
I'm out. I'm like, why would he? And I forgot

698
00:35:03.840 --> 00:35:06.519
that Mickey had been watching clubver Langs rise through the

699
00:35:06.599 --> 00:35:08.960
ranks from the very beginning you see in the opening montage,

700
00:35:08.960 --> 00:35:12.599
and then in this particular scene, burns Meredith. You can

701
00:35:12.639 --> 00:35:15.440
see the love between both of them, which and they

702
00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:17.599
have really good chemistry, and this is why I also

703
00:35:17.679 --> 00:35:22.000
really appreciate the scene and great lines from Mickey here

704
00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:24.880
when Rocky's like, I said, why are you doing this?

705
00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:27.719
Why are you quitting on me? And Micky's like, because

706
00:35:27.719 --> 00:35:29.760
you can't win, rock this guy will kill you to

707
00:35:29.840 --> 00:35:32.719
death inside three rounds. Love that line, this guy will

708
00:35:32.840 --> 00:35:36.519
kill you to death inside three rounds. And then yes,

709
00:35:36.639 --> 00:35:39.760
Rocky finds out that Mickey had been hand picking his

710
00:35:39.840 --> 00:35:43.360
opponents to retain his title, just so he wouldn't get

711
00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:47.159
as badly beaten as he had been by Creed. And

712
00:35:47.320 --> 00:35:49.760
this line later on, when they're sitting on the couch.

713
00:35:50.760 --> 00:35:53.679
Love this line. He says, well, rock, let's put it

714
00:35:53.679 --> 00:35:56.239
this way. Not three years ago, you were supernatural. He

715
00:35:56.280 --> 00:35:57.559
was hard, and he was nasty, and you had this

716
00:35:57.599 --> 00:35:59.920
cast iron jaw. But then the worst thing happened to you,

717
00:36:00.760 --> 00:36:04.199
that could happen to any fighter. You got civilized. Yep.

718
00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:08.679
Great line. And then speaking of the humor, then Stallone

719
00:36:08.719 --> 00:36:13.440
convinces Mickey to coach him, manage him for you know,

720
00:36:13.760 --> 00:36:16.239
the laying fight one more time. But he says, if

721
00:36:16.280 --> 00:36:19.000
you don't, I'm going to tell everybody you've been wearing

722
00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:21.039
the same pair of underwear for the past ten years.

723
00:36:22.400 --> 00:36:25.320
Nice little lighthearted moment there. Yeah, great scene.

724
00:36:25.039 --> 00:36:29.280
And then they go join the circus and then I

725
00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:33.159
think the final favorite scene we both agree on is Adrian,

726
00:36:33.519 --> 00:36:35.239
who's kind of been in the background for most of

727
00:36:35.239 --> 00:36:38.800
this movie, finally has to talk about Rocky because here

728
00:36:38.840 --> 00:36:41.239
we are, Apollo is trying to train him, and Rocky

729
00:36:41.559 --> 00:36:43.920
he's just not into it, and Adrian calls him out

730
00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:47.719
on it, and I think they have a very heartwarming conversation,

731
00:36:47.920 --> 00:36:50.679
very open. I do like it a lot, little little

732
00:36:50.679 --> 00:36:53.159
shouting back and forth, and then Rocky admits that that

733
00:36:53.199 --> 00:36:55.480
he's afraid. And you know, Adrian's really been the heart

734
00:36:55.639 --> 00:36:58.960
of the first two movies. She literally stole Rocky's heart

735
00:36:59.400 --> 00:37:01.400
in the first too, and it was just kind of

736
00:37:01.440 --> 00:37:05.119
weird that she was more of like set dressing throughout

737
00:37:05.159 --> 00:37:08.679
this until this scene, and then she really helps Rocky

738
00:37:08.719 --> 00:37:10.719
get back on track. That's why I do like about it.

739
00:37:10.920 --> 00:37:13.800
Love it what I love. I loved this very similar.

740
00:37:13.840 --> 00:37:18.280
I love the fact that he so very badly needs

741
00:37:18.320 --> 00:37:21.679
her and her support and he can't do it without her.

742
00:37:21.719 --> 00:37:24.559
And it's a love scene here. This whole thing starts

743
00:37:24.559 --> 00:37:26.280
with a love story at the center of it, right,

744
00:37:26.360 --> 00:37:29.280
so it's tremendously important. And the fact that she can

745
00:37:29.320 --> 00:37:31.599
break him down in a way to get him to

746
00:37:31.639 --> 00:37:33.800
admit to the truth as to why his heart isn't

747
00:37:33.880 --> 00:37:36.519
into the training with Apollo Creed and it's the first

748
00:37:36.559 --> 00:37:38.280
scene of you know. They are running on the beach

749
00:37:38.320 --> 00:37:40.840
and he gives up, and she has some great lines

750
00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:42.639
when she says, you got to do it for the

751
00:37:42.679 --> 00:37:45.639
right reasons, not for guilt over Mickey, this is about you,

752
00:37:45.639 --> 00:37:48.360
you alone, no excuses, no fear. I know you can

753
00:37:48.400 --> 00:37:50.480
live with that. There's some great line he says, how'd

754
00:37:50.480 --> 00:37:53.239
you get so tough? Because he breaks down and admits

755
00:37:53.280 --> 00:37:56.039
that he's afraid in that moment, it's like, yeah, you

756
00:37:56.119 --> 00:37:58.519
need a good woman to get to your core like that.

757
00:37:58.679 --> 00:38:02.360
I just just again some great acting moments here, and

758
00:38:02.480 --> 00:38:05.119
he breaks down and finally comes clean, and it's a

759
00:38:05.280 --> 00:38:07.360
kind of a release for him. I like that moment

760
00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:09.800
when he just yells, I'm afraid. Okay, you want me to,

761
00:38:09.880 --> 00:38:12.199
you know, say it, admit it. I'm afraid. And then

762
00:38:12.239 --> 00:38:14.199
finally when he calms down, he says to her, how

763
00:38:14.199 --> 00:38:15.960
did you get so tough? And she says, I live

764
00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:18.760
with a fighter. Yeah, great, And this then Bill Bant

765
00:38:18.840 --> 00:38:22.400
leads into like one of the great training montages with

766
00:38:22.880 --> 00:38:25.800
my favorite moment at the running on the beach, when

767
00:38:26.000 --> 00:38:28.760
finally Rocky gets the best of Creed he beats him

768
00:38:28.800 --> 00:38:31.440
in the race on the beach, and then probably one

769
00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:34.480
of the most homoerotic scenes of all time in cinema,

770
00:38:34.599 --> 00:38:36.559
when they go into the ocean and they're hugging each

771
00:38:36.599 --> 00:38:40.639
other and it's muscles and it's you, it's they're ripped

772
00:38:40.639 --> 00:38:44.039
and it's tendons and they're oily and just slippery and

773
00:38:44.079 --> 00:38:47.039
it's it's and I'm just like, oh, are they going

774
00:38:47.119 --> 00:38:49.199
to kiss? Are they going to kiss?

775
00:38:49.519 --> 00:38:52.199
Those are my just all thoughts and questions what did

776
00:38:52.239 --> 00:38:54.280
you think of that? Because so many people pick on that,

777
00:38:54.400 --> 00:38:55.519
it doesn't bother me at all.

778
00:38:55.639 --> 00:38:59.360
I'm like, dude, oh no, it's fantastic, and it ends

779
00:38:59.360 --> 00:39:02.119
with a freeze frame. It ends. That's my favorite part

780
00:39:02.159 --> 00:39:04.039
of this whole thing. It ends with the freeze frame

781
00:39:04.079 --> 00:39:06.719
of them, just like Yay is. They're hugging each other,

782
00:39:06.760 --> 00:39:09.719
putting their hands in the air. And Bill, I got

783
00:39:09.719 --> 00:39:11.840
to ask you two questions. One, what's up with the

784
00:39:11.880 --> 00:39:14.679
half shirts that they're wearing through that? Oh?

785
00:39:14.719 --> 00:39:18.400
I know that was what's a great eighty styles choice?

786
00:39:18.480 --> 00:39:21.119
I know I never did the half shirts.

787
00:39:20.800 --> 00:39:22.800
Because they're bearing their mid drifts and it's like, I

788
00:39:22.840 --> 00:39:25.840
don't They're like this flimsy little piece of material, just

789
00:39:25.840 --> 00:39:28.519
a half shirt and just don't have any shirt on

790
00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:30.599
if you're going to do that. But the other question

791
00:39:31.360 --> 00:39:33.599
that you can take it off? Yeah, I think you're

792
00:39:33.800 --> 00:39:37.400
you know, pretty, you would be confident in going shirtless.

793
00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:40.519
These guys would definitely be. But yeah, my question for

794
00:39:40.559 --> 00:39:44.440
you was, is this scene more or less homo erotic

795
00:39:44.519 --> 00:39:47.079
than the Top Gun Volleyball? Did this pave the way

796
00:39:47.239 --> 00:39:50.480
for Top gun Volleyball? Oh? I would say top Gun?

797
00:39:50.599 --> 00:39:52.800
Should we contact? Surely you can't be serious and have

798
00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:57.559
them do a competition pod? Which is better top gun

799
00:39:57.679 --> 00:40:00.760
Volleyball scene or the running on the each sequence from

800
00:40:00.840 --> 00:40:01.519
Rocky three.

801
00:40:01.719 --> 00:40:04.440
And that is Malibu, right, I think that's I think

802
00:40:04.440 --> 00:40:06.119
that's a Malibu here in the background.

803
00:40:06.239 --> 00:40:10.559
Okay, okay, on that per regardless, great training montage, so

804
00:40:10.639 --> 00:40:13.760
the whole Yeah, dramatic scene between Adrian and Rocky leading

805
00:40:13.800 --> 00:40:21.280
to the montage, there's something. There's a lot of highlights. Okay.

806
00:40:21.320 --> 00:40:24.400
So let's let's reverse course here with our Swiss cheese

807
00:40:24.440 --> 00:40:27.599
a complaints apartment? And why did you call it swiss cheese?

808
00:40:27.760 --> 00:40:30.719
Because although this movie is delicious, it does have Polly's

809
00:40:30.760 --> 00:40:32.679
missing tooth holes? Yes it does.

810
00:40:32.800 --> 00:40:35.320
How to do those Polly's missing tooth holes? With just

811
00:40:35.400 --> 00:40:37.039
fold complaint with the compleats apartment?

812
00:40:37.039 --> 00:40:37.320
All right?

813
00:40:37.360 --> 00:40:39.119
So what do we have for swiss cheese complaints?

814
00:40:39.400 --> 00:40:42.000
I have to admit something here, Bill Bant, I just

815
00:40:42.119 --> 00:40:43.880
I made that up. I don't know if he really

816
00:40:43.920 --> 00:40:46.159
has any missing teeth in this I just I don't

817
00:40:46.199 --> 00:40:47.920
like his character at all in this. And I couldn't

818
00:40:47.960 --> 00:40:49.960
come up with any other holes in this movie, like

819
00:40:50.239 --> 00:40:52.679
literal holes. So I just said missing teeth.

820
00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:56.159
It could be clubb laning punching holes in Rocky's face.

821
00:40:56.599 --> 00:41:03.039
Yeah, gee, let's rerecord it. Yeah, Oh that's better. That's

822
00:41:03.320 --> 00:41:06.800
so much better. The first one I complained I have

823
00:41:06.920 --> 00:41:09.400
in so many movies is when you know, when we

824
00:41:09.440 --> 00:41:11.719
talked about this, what are we talking about in another film.

825
00:41:11.760 --> 00:41:15.320
I remember when we were rehearsing and we did the crow,

826
00:41:15.679 --> 00:41:18.519
when we were trying to do something besides eighties movie. Anyway,

827
00:41:18.639 --> 00:41:22.199
it's about flashbacks. When flashbacks are from somebody else's point

828
00:41:22.199 --> 00:41:24.159
of view, or it just takes you out of it

829
00:41:24.159 --> 00:41:27.039
because it's not a true flashback then from the mind

830
00:41:27.239 --> 00:41:31.159
of the person that's having the flashback. In this particular case,

831
00:41:31.159 --> 00:41:35.480
in the film, you have Creed watching the footage that's

832
00:41:35.519 --> 00:41:39.960
the film footage of the first fight between Rocky and

833
00:41:40.039 --> 00:41:43.519
Clubber Lang because he's studying the film right to see

834
00:41:43.559 --> 00:41:46.320
where Rocky made mistakes and how we could get better.

835
00:41:46.519 --> 00:41:50.199
But the actual footage, the film footage of the fight

836
00:41:50.280 --> 00:41:55.760
that Creed is watching on the projector is the movie footage.

837
00:41:56.000 --> 00:41:59.920
So it's like, this wouldn't be actual film footage from

838
00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:04.440
the fight at all. Right, that's a nitpicky, right, it's

839
00:42:04.519 --> 00:42:07.679
nitpicky things. But it's like close ups on Rocky and

840
00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:09.840
Clubber and stuff like this is an Actually you're not

841
00:42:09.880 --> 00:42:13.039
watching actual fight footage. It just takes me out of

842
00:42:13.039 --> 00:42:17.000
it momentary. It's nitpicky thing, but not something I always

843
00:42:17.000 --> 00:42:17.480
pick up on.

844
00:42:17.800 --> 00:42:20.360
Yeah, my big thing watching this is just the way

845
00:42:20.480 --> 00:42:23.960
Rocky trains for that clubber fight. That makes no sense

846
00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:26.960
to me. Mickey's basically just told you if you step

847
00:42:26.960 --> 00:42:28.599
in the ring of the sky, you're gonna get killed,

848
00:42:28.840 --> 00:42:32.559
and Rocky just doesn't seem to take him seriously.

849
00:42:32.679 --> 00:42:33.519
What are you doing, man?

850
00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:37.079
Yeah, and I get it, this is gonna be your

851
00:42:37.159 --> 00:42:39.639
last fight. It would be okay, maybe the first day

852
00:42:39.679 --> 00:42:42.119
he did it in public like that and then did

853
00:42:42.119 --> 00:42:44.679
the hard training afterwards, But it seems like you trained

854
00:42:44.760 --> 00:42:47.079
like that the whole time. Mickey keeps trying to tell

855
00:42:47.159 --> 00:42:49.199
him he's going to kill you, Let's go back to

856
00:42:49.280 --> 00:42:51.360
the gym and do it the right way, and it's

857
00:42:51.400 --> 00:42:54.760
just not sinking in. That just seemed off character for me.

858
00:42:55.440 --> 00:42:56.639
For Rocky to do that.

859
00:42:57.239 --> 00:42:59.920
It is, and I mean, you know why they do

860
00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:01.679
in the film, But I agree with you in the

861
00:43:01.679 --> 00:43:05.199
way that it is overly or over the top unrealistic,

862
00:43:05.880 --> 00:43:08.639
like he just wouldn't ever do that. No, because it's

863
00:43:08.679 --> 00:43:12.000
disrespectful to Mickey, it's disrespectful to the sport and to

864
00:43:12.639 --> 00:43:15.599
it's a lack of respect for the opponent. Obviously, it

865
00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:20.320
doesn't feel in line with Rocky Belboa's heart and character

866
00:43:20.559 --> 00:43:24.760
and you know, inner strength, like he just wouldn't sacrifice

867
00:43:24.960 --> 00:43:28.119
everything in being lazy, Like that's just doesn't fall that's

868
00:43:28.119 --> 00:43:28.880
just not his character.

869
00:43:29.559 --> 00:43:32.679
Yeah, and I would say the other second big thing

870
00:43:32.719 --> 00:43:36.440
for me is that the fact the first fight between

871
00:43:36.519 --> 00:43:40.760
Rocky and Club or even happened, considering what transpired with Mickey,

872
00:43:40.960 --> 00:43:42.119
No way I would have been able to get in

873
00:43:42.119 --> 00:43:44.280
the ring. Hey, Like, how is are a doctor not

874
00:43:44.360 --> 00:43:46.199
there right away? That bothered me?

875
00:43:46.960 --> 00:43:48.960
Confused. This doctor's always great.

876
00:43:48.719 --> 00:43:51.039
Call, but there's no way you would be in the

877
00:43:51.079 --> 00:43:53.559
right mindset to fight. They should have called it off.

878
00:43:53.599 --> 00:43:55.159
I don't care what Micky was yelling me to say

879
00:43:55.159 --> 00:43:57.079
to keep going. If my ring man is not going

880
00:43:57.119 --> 00:43:58.960
to be in the corner and I'm worried about him,

881
00:43:59.239 --> 00:44:01.239
there's no way. And especially now if you think about

882
00:44:01.239 --> 00:44:03.079
it in this day and age, if that came out

883
00:44:03.119 --> 00:44:05.320
that that had happened, how much would that be all

884
00:44:05.360 --> 00:44:06.119
over the news?

885
00:44:06.440 --> 00:44:06.679
Yeah?

886
00:44:06.880 --> 00:44:09.079
No, wonder why Rocky lost his head wasn't in the game.

887
00:44:09.360 --> 00:44:12.199
I mean, he's already ill prepared to fight, and now

888
00:44:12.320 --> 00:44:14.800
mentally he's checked out. Yeah, he's in there and to

889
00:44:14.800 --> 00:44:18.880
get himself killed, right. Yeah, for the first round, someone

890
00:44:18.960 --> 00:44:21.000
sort of throw the towel in for sure.

891
00:44:21.239 --> 00:44:24.199
Yeah, he's getting murdered. He's getting murdered. But that's a

892
00:44:24.199 --> 00:44:26.199
great call. Yeah, where are the doctors? I was thinking

893
00:44:26.239 --> 00:44:28.960
the same thing because it's a prolonged sequence with in

894
00:44:29.000 --> 00:44:32.559
the way that you're wondering. After the fight, Rocky gets

895
00:44:32.719 --> 00:44:35.719
beat to hell, goes into the locker room and kneels

896
00:44:35.760 --> 00:44:38.320
beside Mickey as he's passing away, and it's a very

897
00:44:38.360 --> 00:44:40.679
emotional scene. But right as he walks in the locker,

898
00:44:40.760 --> 00:44:43.199
somebody from the side says, we need to get him

899
00:44:43.239 --> 00:44:47.039
to a hospital right away. And the whole time you're like, yeah, tacom,

900
00:44:47.320 --> 00:44:50.880
here's Rocky rock and talking in the last moments and

901
00:44:50.920 --> 00:44:53.559
you're like, go, go get him to the hospital. Why

902
00:44:53.639 --> 00:44:55.480
is he Why are they just sitting there?

903
00:44:55.639 --> 00:44:57.519
Good thing Rocky got his ass kick, because then they

904
00:44:57.639 --> 00:44:58.800
at least say his goodbyes.

905
00:44:59.360 --> 00:45:05.199
Shee wow. Yeah. Well, my final few complaints all have

906
00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:09.199
to do with the finale. One, would you classify this

907
00:45:09.199 --> 00:45:12.639
as a categorize this as a heavyweight about it's supposed

908
00:45:12.679 --> 00:45:17.400
to be right, So we know that Rocky has slimmed down.

909
00:45:17.519 --> 00:45:20.119
The announcers make it a point to highlight it, and

910
00:45:20.159 --> 00:45:22.679
we know that from his training. And then they announced

911
00:45:22.679 --> 00:45:25.159
at the end, we've got Clubber laying at two hundred

912
00:45:25.159 --> 00:45:27.400
and thirty some pounds. I think Rocky has dropped to

913
00:45:27.440 --> 00:45:29.880
one hundred and ninety one pounds. I did the math.

914
00:45:30.079 --> 00:45:35.159
Clubber's got forty six pounds on rock for the final fight. Yes, allowed,

915
00:45:35.960 --> 00:45:38.840
Like what, Yeah, I don't know if that would happen

916
00:45:38.840 --> 00:45:39.360
to either. Yeah.

917
00:45:39.400 --> 00:45:42.159
I thought I thought maybe it was nine ninety four

918
00:45:42.320 --> 00:45:45.519
because he was two two for the charity, and I

919
00:45:45.519 --> 00:45:47.920
thought he dropped it, right. But yeah, once I was

920
00:45:47.920 --> 00:45:50.199
doing this the math also, I'm like, dude, that's a

921
00:45:50.280 --> 00:45:51.440
big difference.

922
00:45:51.440 --> 00:45:54.360
Almost fifty pounds. Yeah. And the other issue here I

923
00:45:54.400 --> 00:45:56.360
have at the beginning of the fights when they are

924
00:45:56.360 --> 00:45:58.960
face to face to you know, do their bump gloves

925
00:45:59.000 --> 00:46:02.840
and stuff, and Clever Lang says I'm gonna bust you up,

926
00:46:03.280 --> 00:46:07.280
and then Rocky's comeback is go for it. It ain't

927
00:46:07.320 --> 00:46:09.920
no I must break you. You know what I mean? Right? Yeah,

928
00:46:09.960 --> 00:46:12.079
kind of that was a little weak sauce for me.

929
00:46:12.800 --> 00:46:15.239
Now that you mentioned that fight, though, there was one

930
00:46:15.440 --> 00:46:17.360
thing that bothered me too. I think it was after

931
00:46:17.400 --> 00:46:21.840
the first round, but the second round and Rocky basically

932
00:46:21.880 --> 00:46:26.239
tells uh Lank his strategy at least I Breason hard

933
00:46:26.880 --> 00:46:29.360
like to shut your mouth. I think the audience gets

934
00:46:29.400 --> 00:46:31.639
what you're doing, or don't make it so obvious to us.

935
00:46:32.079 --> 00:46:34.280
Just go back in the corner, have Apollo yell at

936
00:46:34.280 --> 00:46:37.039
you and go He's getting tired, he's getting tired. I'm

937
00:46:37.039 --> 00:46:37.880
just gonna wear him out.

938
00:46:38.119 --> 00:46:40.360
Yeah, that's a great point. It's a great point. Here's

939
00:46:40.400 --> 00:46:43.679
my overall issue with all this. Look, the highlights are

940
00:46:44.119 --> 00:46:46.800
it's still great to see Rocky in the comeback within

941
00:46:46.880 --> 00:46:49.519
the fight or just overcome in the fight. And he's

942
00:46:49.559 --> 00:46:52.280
so prepared and he has his strategy and he's working

943
00:46:52.280 --> 00:46:54.199
with Creed and Creeds just tell him, don't tell me

944
00:46:54.199 --> 00:46:57.159
what you're gonna do, just do it. It's all high intensity,

945
00:46:57.559 --> 00:47:01.440
it's violent, the effects, you know, design again, the choreography

946
00:47:01.480 --> 00:47:04.440
is all great. But it just because it happened so quickly,

947
00:47:04.480 --> 00:47:07.519
it's only what three rounds. It's a bit anti climactic

948
00:47:07.639 --> 00:47:10.760
for me. Was I was like stallone showing off a

949
00:47:10.800 --> 00:47:13.440
lot of dexterity. And the training is obviously the bobbing,

950
00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:17.119
the weaving it. But yeah, it just happens a little

951
00:47:17.119 --> 00:47:19.599
too quick for me to be that that final And

952
00:47:19.679 --> 00:47:21.559
like you said, we're kind of used to the final

953
00:47:21.599 --> 00:47:23.199
bouts and the fights in the first two movies, and

954
00:47:23.239 --> 00:47:25.519
then this is just like, oh, it's over already. And

955
00:47:25.599 --> 00:47:27.880
I do have to say I love Rocky celebration at

956
00:47:27.880 --> 00:47:29.920
the end when he does when he wins, he knocks

957
00:47:29.960 --> 00:47:31.639
him out and then he does that jump up in

958
00:47:31.679 --> 00:47:34.280
the air, yes, and kind of bends backwards and lands

959
00:47:34.320 --> 00:47:38.000
on his knees. Awesome. It's so awesome. Yeah, so it's

960
00:47:38.079 --> 00:47:41.159
kind of a complaint, but noncomplaint. There's good things about

961
00:47:41.159 --> 00:47:42.800
it and things. I just I just didn't like that

962
00:47:42.840 --> 00:47:43.800
it went by so fast.

963
00:47:44.159 --> 00:47:47.800
Yeah, it is weird considering what happened the previous two movies. Yeah,

964
00:47:47.840 --> 00:47:50.280
all right, trying to move on to Hey, it's that actor.

965
00:47:51.039 --> 00:47:53.480
So in this segment and the spotlight a character actor

966
00:47:53.519 --> 00:47:56.239
you have seen in many other films, an actor making

967
00:47:56.280 --> 00:47:58.559
their big screen debut, or an actor that makes an

968
00:47:58.679 --> 00:47:59.760
uncredit cameo.

969
00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:02.920
Let's hey, it's that actor. Who do we choose this week?

970
00:48:03.280 --> 00:48:05.760
This week for our Hey it's that actor, we choose

971
00:48:06.480 --> 00:48:12.199
Jim Hill sportscaster. That's who I'm going with. Not primarily

972
00:48:12.760 --> 00:48:17.679
known as an actor, however, technically he is in this film.

973
00:48:17.800 --> 00:48:21.000
Now he appears in this film on the TV screen,

974
00:48:21.639 --> 00:48:24.599
and man, he's just a familiar face because I have

975
00:48:24.800 --> 00:48:27.800
lived in the LA area for thirty years now, thirty

976
00:48:27.840 --> 00:48:30.679
years plus, and he's been a staple as the lead

977
00:48:30.800 --> 00:48:35.119
sports anchor and sports director at KCBS TV since nineteen

978
00:48:35.199 --> 00:48:39.079
seventy six. That's fifty plus years. He's also a former

979
00:48:39.159 --> 00:48:42.199
football player, having played college ball at Texas A and

980
00:48:42.360 --> 00:48:46.440
I University now Texas A and M University Kingsville. He

981
00:48:46.480 --> 00:48:48.559
played in the NFL as a defensive back for the

982
00:48:48.599 --> 00:48:52.000
San Diego Chargers, Green Bay Packers, and Cleveland Browns. Jim

983
00:48:52.079 --> 00:48:55.800
Hill has appeared in multiple TV movies and films. Here's

984
00:48:55.800 --> 00:48:59.920
a brief filmography in which he almost plays himself always.

985
00:49:00.199 --> 00:49:03.840
He was in a TV movie called Melving Purvis g

986
00:49:04.039 --> 00:49:06.360
Man in nineteen seventy four. Then he's in a movie

987
00:49:06.440 --> 00:49:10.159
called Polyester in eighty one. This is then Rocky three

988
00:49:10.199 --> 00:49:14.920
in eighty two. He was in the parent Hood not Parenthood,

989
00:49:14.920 --> 00:49:18.880
but the parent Hood series in one episode in ninety six,

990
00:49:19.079 --> 00:49:22.719
two episodes of Arless as himself from ninety six to

991
00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:24.800
ninety nine. The last thing he did was a film

992
00:49:24.880 --> 00:49:28.199
called Crackdown, Big City Blues in twenty eighteen, where he

993
00:49:28.239 --> 00:49:32.199
actually plays a character named James Wright. Jim Hill's been

994
00:49:32.239 --> 00:49:36.079
an active person in community in the community for a

995
00:49:36.119 --> 00:49:38.360
long time. He's a member of the Los Angeles Urban

996
00:49:38.480 --> 00:49:40.639
League's Board of Directors, as well as serving on the

997
00:49:40.639 --> 00:49:43.960
board of directors for the Grossman Burn Center in Sherman Oaks, California.

998
00:49:44.000 --> 00:49:46.239
He's a spokesman for the City of Los Angeles Department

999
00:49:46.280 --> 00:49:49.199
of Recreation in parks and is involved in developing youth

1000
00:49:49.280 --> 00:49:53.960
outreach and fitness programs. Yes, Jim Hill, good dude, sportscaster,

1001
00:49:54.679 --> 00:49:58.159
really really kind of just a staple on TV for

1002
00:49:58.199 --> 00:49:58.679
so long.

1003
00:49:58.960 --> 00:50:01.880
That was hilarious seeing him in this movie because when

1004
00:50:01.920 --> 00:50:04.559
I first moved out here and would put on sports

1005
00:50:04.599 --> 00:50:07.239
and see I was like, this guy is so dry,

1006
00:50:07.639 --> 00:50:10.320
Like here we are in Los Angeles and I'm like,

1007
00:50:10.599 --> 00:50:15.760
he is drier than sandpaper and I can't watch him.

1008
00:50:15.760 --> 00:50:17.719
He's just too dry for me. And then seeing him

1009
00:50:17.719 --> 00:50:19.960
in this I think he has more personality in this

1010
00:50:20.079 --> 00:50:24.599
movie than I've ever seen him on television. And then

1011
00:50:24.639 --> 00:50:27.639
I was like he's been around that long. Holy crap.

1012
00:50:27.760 --> 00:50:31.800
I mean, hey, congratulations on your career. Yeah, he doesn't

1013
00:50:31.800 --> 00:50:34.159
do it for me, But watching him in this I

1014
00:50:34.239 --> 00:50:36.400
was laughing because I'm like, holy crap, he actually seems

1015
00:50:36.400 --> 00:50:37.679
like his personality in this one.

1016
00:50:37.840 --> 00:50:41.079
That's amazing. I couldn't agree with you more. He's definitely

1017
00:50:41.079 --> 00:50:45.199
not flamboyant, but yeah, he's here. He is the polar

1018
00:50:45.639 --> 00:50:48.840
opposite of Stephen A. Smith. There you go. Yeah, oh

1019
00:50:48.880 --> 00:50:52.400
my god, yes, exact opposites. But yeah, you see him

1020
00:50:52.400 --> 00:50:53.920
all the time, and it's just like as soon as

1021
00:50:53.960 --> 00:50:55.440
I was like, oh my god, that's Jim Hill, like

1022
00:50:55.480 --> 00:50:56.960
you're just one of those guys. If you live in

1023
00:50:57.079 --> 00:50:58.599
LA you just know, you know who he is.

1024
00:50:58.960 --> 00:51:01.840
I couldn't believe it. I could not believe it knowing

1025
00:51:01.880 --> 00:51:03.880
who who he is now and seeing that, I'm like,

1026
00:51:04.079 --> 00:51:08.199
holy moly. All right, moving on to facts and trivia.

1027
00:51:08.280 --> 00:51:10.519
What do some facts and trivia have about Rocky three?

1028
00:51:10.719 --> 00:51:13.880
For the role of clubber Lang. Two world class heavyweight boxers,

1029
00:51:13.960 --> 00:51:17.760
Joe Fraser and Ernie Shavers were initially considered. Both matched

1030
00:51:17.840 --> 00:51:21.199
stallone in height and physique, but were ultimately rejected due

1031
00:51:21.239 --> 00:51:24.639
to vocal concerns Fraser reportedly had a stutter and Shavers

1032
00:51:24.679 --> 00:51:27.000
had a high pitched voice, deemed unsuitable for the character's

1033
00:51:27.079 --> 00:51:31.519
menacing persona. Casting director Randa Young discovered mister T on

1034
00:51:31.679 --> 00:51:36.480
NBC's Games People Play in an episode depicting a competition

1035
00:51:36.599 --> 00:51:41.760
of America's Toughest Bouncer, a program that showcases physicality and Christmas.

1036
00:51:41.760 --> 00:51:45.679
She contacted producer Don Olmeyer about quote the Man with

1037
00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:49.679
the Mohawk, and Mister T was subsequently cast. His presence

1038
00:51:49.719 --> 00:51:52.920
and performance and screen tests secured the role, marking his

1039
00:51:53.079 --> 00:51:55.320
breakout in film. Nice.

1040
00:51:55.800 --> 00:51:59.280
So the montage scene you love so much, there's a

1041
00:51:59.760 --> 00:52:03.519
appearance of Rocky on The Muppet Show during the montage,

1042
00:52:03.800 --> 00:52:07.000
and the footage is actually from a real episode that

1043
00:52:07.039 --> 00:52:10.719
features Sylvester Sloane on January ninth, nineteen seventy nine. But

1044
00:52:10.840 --> 00:52:14.880
for the movie, Jim Henson dubbed in Rocky's name during

1045
00:52:14.960 --> 00:52:17.440
Kerman's introduction. Thanks Jim for doing that.

1046
00:52:17.440 --> 00:52:20.639
That's cool. This soundtrack is the third in the series,

1047
00:52:20.639 --> 00:52:23.440
composed by Bill Conti and features the single I Have

1048
00:52:23.480 --> 00:52:27.400
the Tiger by Survivor. We Know This Great Song. Stallone

1049
00:52:27.519 --> 00:52:31.639
enlisted Survivor after Queen denied him permission to use their song.

1050
00:52:31.679 --> 00:52:35.800
Another One Bites the Dust survivor derived lyrics and title

1051
00:52:35.840 --> 00:52:38.719
from dialogue in the film and conceived a riff with

1052
00:52:38.880 --> 00:52:42.239
chord changes to match the punches in the boxing scenes.

1053
00:52:42.320 --> 00:52:44.519
I freaking love that totally makes sense. I never thought

1054
00:52:44.519 --> 00:52:48.360
about that before. Dun't dun't it matches the Yeah I

1055
00:52:48.440 --> 00:52:50.440
have The Tiger reached number one on the charts of

1056
00:52:50.480 --> 00:52:52.320
many countries. In the US, it was number one on

1057
00:52:52.360 --> 00:52:55.199
the Billboard Hot one hundred chart for six weeks, spent

1058
00:52:55.320 --> 00:52:58.039
fifteen consecutive weeks in the top ten, and was the

1059
00:52:58.079 --> 00:53:02.400
second best selling single of nine nineteen eighty two. It

1060
00:53:02.519 --> 00:53:06.039
was on the radio all the time, all on the

1061
00:53:06.079 --> 00:53:08.880
stereo at Kim Kella's dance studio all the time, all

1062
00:53:09.039 --> 00:53:09.559
the time.

1063
00:53:10.119 --> 00:53:13.239
So the fight sequence between Rocky and Thunderlips that took

1064
00:53:13.320 --> 00:53:16.400
ten days to film, ten days, damn.

1065
00:53:16.440 --> 00:53:18.880
I just want you to say Thunderlips as much as possible.

1066
00:53:19.199 --> 00:53:22.880
Oh yeah, Thunderlips man. Ten days. That's a long time, man. Yeah.

1067
00:53:23.199 --> 00:53:25.119
I remember when I first saw him on back then

1068
00:53:25.280 --> 00:53:28.119
WWF and seeing him for the first time, and I

1069
00:53:28.280 --> 00:53:31.400
was like, hault Cogan was, who has Thunderlips? Who's this

1070
00:53:31.519 --> 00:53:35.719
Boogan character so good.

1071
00:53:35.800 --> 00:53:40.480
In a nineteen seventy nine interview with Roger Ebert, Sylvester

1072
00:53:40.519 --> 00:53:43.719
Stolone discussed an entirely different vision for Rocky three, which

1073
00:53:43.760 --> 00:53:46.719
was originally to be the final Rocky installment. Stallone said

1074
00:53:46.719 --> 00:53:51.679
he contemplated having Rocky's last fight in the Colosseum in Rome,

1075
00:53:52.119 --> 00:53:54.320
going so far as to tell Ebert he wanted to

1076
00:53:54.440 --> 00:53:57.199
arrange and film a real audience with Pope John Paul,

1077
00:53:57.239 --> 00:54:00.960
the second in characters Rocky two in the film. A

1078
00:54:01.000 --> 00:54:03.840
year later, he was still debating how Rocky three would end,

1079
00:54:03.840 --> 00:54:07.280
and told Ebert, if I have real nerve, Rocky should

1080
00:54:07.360 --> 00:54:09.639
die at the end of the third film, I.

1081
00:54:09.599 --> 00:54:12.360
Always talked about that so many times, killing Rocky off.

1082
00:54:13.360 --> 00:54:16.239
So this was interesting because I knew right away watching

1083
00:54:16.280 --> 00:54:19.000
the statue on veiling there was a band there playing.

1084
00:54:19.039 --> 00:54:21.320
It was a Lincoln High School band, and they're playing

1085
00:54:21.320 --> 00:54:25.519
the theme to Rocky. So Lincoln High School was our

1086
00:54:25.679 --> 00:54:29.239
rival high school when I went to school at Father Judge.

1087
00:54:29.280 --> 00:54:31.480
That was the team we played on the turkey ball

1088
00:54:31.519 --> 00:54:32.880
and thanksgiv every year.

1089
00:54:33.199 --> 00:54:33.679
Wow.

1090
00:54:33.840 --> 00:54:35.960
So I'd literally pass Lincoln every day on the way

1091
00:54:35.960 --> 00:54:38.480
to school, and part of me is like Why is

1092
00:54:38.559 --> 00:54:42.480
Lincoln all the way in downtown, Like there's eight hundred

1093
00:54:42.519 --> 00:54:44.880
high schools you could pass before you would have to

1094
00:54:44.920 --> 00:54:48.840
get to Lincoln. And then I remembered in the first

1095
00:54:48.920 --> 00:54:51.760
movie there's some versions that it's not in every version anymore.

1096
00:54:52.400 --> 00:54:55.880
Rocky's listened to the radio and it mentions that Lincoln

1097
00:54:55.920 --> 00:54:58.960
plays father Judge and what the score was, and you

1098
00:54:59.039 --> 00:55:00.800
really have to listen to it. But for some reason,

1099
00:55:00.840 --> 00:55:02.760
it's not in every audio track. I don't know why

1100
00:55:02.760 --> 00:55:06.599
that is. I did not know Sylvester Stallone went to

1101
00:55:06.639 --> 00:55:09.360
Lincoln High School for like a year and played on

1102
00:55:09.360 --> 00:55:12.280
the football team. I never knew that because people always

1103
00:55:12.320 --> 00:55:14.480
said he has no ties to the city. But yeah,

1104
00:55:14.480 --> 00:55:16.480
he went to supposedly went to high school there. There's

1105
00:55:16.480 --> 00:55:19.039
a picture of him on the football team. I always

1106
00:55:19.079 --> 00:55:21.559
wondered watch him, like, why is Lincoln here? Why it's

1107
00:55:21.599 --> 00:55:23.920
Lincoln in the scene. There's so many other high schools

1108
00:55:23.920 --> 00:55:26.480
they could have brought out for this, and that's why

1109
00:55:26.559 --> 00:55:27.480
there's a still.

1110
00:55:27.360 --> 00:55:28.320
Lone collection to it.

1111
00:55:28.719 --> 00:55:30.599
And now and then it made sense. I'm like, oh,

1112
00:55:30.679 --> 00:55:32.480
that's why they Yeah, And then I was like, oh,

1113
00:55:32.719 --> 00:55:34.800
now it makes sense why that they're mentioned in the

1114
00:55:34.800 --> 00:55:35.280
first one.

1115
00:55:35.559 --> 00:55:38.199
On the radio. So just tell me once again on

1116
00:55:38.280 --> 00:55:40.280
the rate. When when did you hear that? Where is

1117
00:55:40.320 --> 00:55:40.760
that heard?

1118
00:55:41.239 --> 00:55:44.199
So it depends on what version of Rocky, because it's

1119
00:55:44.280 --> 00:55:47.599
not in every one, because I've heard it sometimes and

1120
00:55:47.639 --> 00:55:50.039
other times. Yes, it's in the first film when he

1121
00:55:50.079 --> 00:55:51.679
gets up in the morning the radio is playing in

1122
00:55:51.679 --> 00:55:52.199
the background.

1123
00:55:52.679 --> 00:55:53.360
I can't remember if.

1124
00:55:53.280 --> 00:55:56.079
It's when he's doing the eggs and it's the news

1125
00:55:56.119 --> 00:55:58.880
report is rilling off high school scores and it says

1126
00:55:58.880 --> 00:56:01.519
Lincoln first father, judge and then they say the score.

1127
00:56:01.880 --> 00:56:02.239
Yeah.

1128
00:56:02.400 --> 00:56:03.760
So I was always like, oh, that's one of our

1129
00:56:03.760 --> 00:56:05.800
claim that our high schools claimed. The theme is that

1130
00:56:05.840 --> 00:56:06.920
we're mentioned in Rocky.

1131
00:56:07.320 --> 00:56:11.199
Love it. Okay, that's cool. That's cool. Interesting. Yeah, And

1132
00:56:11.239 --> 00:56:13.760
I go back watch the first film. Now'll listen for it.

1133
00:56:13.840 --> 00:56:16.760
Hopefully it's in the person that you have, right, Yeah, exactly,

1134
00:56:17.280 --> 00:56:17.719
very cool.

1135
00:56:18.360 --> 00:56:22.400
Rocky three here in nineteen eighty two features a dedication

1136
00:56:22.519 --> 00:56:26.840
in the end credits to Jane Oliver, Sylvester Stallone's first manager,

1137
00:56:26.880 --> 00:56:29.840
who died of cancer in nineteen seventy seven. This tribute

1138
00:56:29.840 --> 00:56:32.719
appears in the first five Rocky films to honor her

1139
00:56:32.760 --> 00:56:35.039
crucial role in Stallone's early career.

1140
00:56:35.519 --> 00:56:38.880
Cool, time to move on to box office. So Rocky

1141
00:56:38.920 --> 00:56:41.760
three was released on May twenty eighth in nine hundred

1142
00:56:41.760 --> 00:56:44.880
and thirty nine theaters. What's a production budget of approximately

1143
00:56:44.960 --> 00:56:47.760
seventeen million. Rocky three went on to gross one hundred

1144
00:56:47.760 --> 00:56:50.199
and twenty five million in North America and one hundred

1145
00:56:50.239 --> 00:56:53.599
and forty five million internationally. It opened number one at

1146
00:56:53.639 --> 00:56:55.960
the box office, but dropped to number two the following

1147
00:56:56.000 --> 00:56:59.000
week to another sequel, Star Trek two The Wrath of Khan.

1148
00:56:59.400 --> 00:57:02.320
Rocky three I would spend fourteen of the next fifteen

1149
00:57:02.360 --> 00:57:04.679
weeks in the top ten, and the movie ended up

1150
00:57:04.719 --> 00:57:07.719
being the fourth highest grossing movie in the United States,

1151
00:57:08.079 --> 00:57:10.920
one of only five movies that crossed the one hundred

1152
00:57:11.119 --> 00:57:13.119
million dollars in ticket sales.

1153
00:57:13.599 --> 00:57:17.239
Wow. Man, sometimes I don't know why. I forget what

1154
00:57:17.480 --> 00:57:20.400
just how huge these movies were in the eighties. You know,

1155
00:57:20.800 --> 00:57:23.320
if you think of all the big blockbusters, but I

1156
00:57:23.320 --> 00:57:25.440
mean not that rock who wasn't blocked. But it's just

1157
00:57:26.239 --> 00:57:28.599
they made a lot of money. Yeah, people love these movies,

1158
00:57:28.679 --> 00:57:30.719
as they should they do so in the movie on

1159
00:57:30.800 --> 00:57:32.840
to reviews. When growing up in the eighties, we would

1160
00:57:32.880 --> 00:57:35.159
watch at the movies with Gean Cisco and Roger Ebert

1161
00:57:35.239 --> 00:57:38.039
to hear their reviews and watch clips of upcoming movies.

1162
00:57:38.480 --> 00:57:42.039
Their review of Rocky three was unanimous two thumbs down.

1163
00:57:42.519 --> 00:57:45.960
Jean said it's not a bad film, but a tired

1164
00:57:46.000 --> 00:57:49.079
and loud one. Roger thought the movie was exciting and

1165
00:57:49.239 --> 00:57:52.280
moves well. But instead of telling us more about Rocky,

1166
00:57:52.360 --> 00:57:56.719
the person is just basically a formula remake Rotten Tomatoes

1167
00:57:56.719 --> 00:57:59.559
because a meter score of sixty five percent, with the

1168
00:57:59.599 --> 00:58:02.920
Popcorn Meter score of seventy four percent, and it has

1169
00:58:02.960 --> 00:58:06.599
an IMDb rating of six point nine. So this takes

1170
00:58:06.679 --> 00:58:09.440
us to additional thoughts and questions. What are some additional

1171
00:58:09.440 --> 00:58:13.360
thoughts and questions we have about Rocky three? Well, you know,

1172
00:58:13.440 --> 00:58:15.800
I was going to get into the whole ranking the franchise,

1173
00:58:15.880 --> 00:58:17.639
but I'm going to save that for later. I know,

1174
00:58:17.760 --> 00:58:21.199
and I will look forward to discussing Rocky for at

1175
00:58:21.199 --> 00:58:24.559
some point, of course, we'll have to. But what I

1176
00:58:24.599 --> 00:58:27.360
wanted to ask you, Bill Band is what's your relationship

1177
00:58:27.440 --> 00:58:30.719
to boxing overall the sport of boxing. Do you remember

1178
00:58:30.840 --> 00:58:34.480
as a kid when boxing was great and did you

1179
00:58:34.559 --> 00:58:36.760
have any favorite boxers that you followed.

1180
00:58:37.039 --> 00:58:40.119
I think I really didn't get into boxing until the

1181
00:58:40.119 --> 00:58:43.480
whole Tyson era. Yeah, and I watched that and then

1182
00:58:43.599 --> 00:58:45.599
I kind of got away from it for a while.

1183
00:58:46.079 --> 00:58:49.360
And then a friend of mine he had a connection

1184
00:58:49.719 --> 00:58:53.440
when I was in Florida with the Seminal Gaming, and

1185
00:58:53.480 --> 00:58:56.000
they would have boxing matches there all the time, like

1186
00:58:56.239 --> 00:58:58.800
once a month. Sometimes they would show them on ESPN

1187
00:58:58.840 --> 00:59:00.480
and stuff, and we would go all the time to watch.

1188
00:59:00.679 --> 00:59:03.199
And I could not name one of the people I

1189
00:59:03.239 --> 00:59:05.840
saw fight, but it was just cool to go and

1190
00:59:06.039 --> 00:59:08.960
watch boxing. Sure, But since I've moved out to here,

1191
00:59:09.079 --> 00:59:11.679
I barely follow it at all. And it is funny

1192
00:59:11.719 --> 00:59:14.360
because I'll be doing events if I'm running a softball

1193
00:59:14.400 --> 00:59:16.519
tournament or something like that, and everyone's like, what times

1194
00:59:16.519 --> 00:59:18.360
the tournaments have done, there's the blah blah blah fight.

1195
00:59:18.400 --> 00:59:20.880
We want to get out of here by then, Like, oh, okay,

1196
00:59:20.960 --> 00:59:21.760
I'll see what I can do.

1197
00:59:21.840 --> 00:59:25.960
Yeah, there you go. Yeah. My experience has been similar

1198
00:59:26.119 --> 00:59:28.800
with boxing. I mean, I do remember growing up hearing

1199
00:59:28.960 --> 00:59:33.320
Sugar Ray Leonard's name being tossed like just big names, right,

1200
00:59:33.440 --> 00:59:37.159
knowing of course when you Muhammad, Ali Cash, Clay, Joe Frazier,

1201
00:59:37.760 --> 00:59:40.039
George Foreman, you know the names, right, you know the

1202
00:59:40.239 --> 00:59:43.360
classic fights Rumble and Jungle things is like this, so

1203
00:59:43.400 --> 00:59:46.079
you know the history, but it was a big deal.

1204
00:59:46.079 --> 00:59:47.960
And yeah, when Tyson comes onto the scene, I mean,

1205
00:59:48.000 --> 00:59:49.840
he's such a force. And then the Spinx fight, like

1206
00:59:49.840 --> 00:59:52.760
all the fights that went down in the matter of seconds.

1207
00:59:53.000 --> 00:59:57.159
And then when he finally loses the title, Holy Field,

1208
00:59:57.199 --> 00:59:59.800
you follow a little bit then and watch those right, Right,

1209
01:00:00.039 --> 01:00:02.639
So that was pretty much the same for me. And

1210
01:00:02.679 --> 01:00:06.119
then yeah, and then UFC comes along and that's it, right,

1211
01:00:06.480 --> 01:00:09.639
So moving out to LA that's what I would watch.

1212
01:00:09.719 --> 01:00:12.199
I would be watching UFC with Chris mann Gandy. Shout

1213
01:00:12.199 --> 01:00:15.320
out to Chris man Gandy and Ashlyn mangandhy. We would

1214
01:00:15.320 --> 01:00:17.880
sit down and watch the Saturday night UFC fights. And

1215
01:00:18.440 --> 01:00:21.360
I don't follow the UFC as closely anymore. I just

1216
01:00:21.440 --> 01:00:24.880
hear what I hear in sports news. But unfortunately boxing

1217
01:00:24.920 --> 01:00:29.199
isn't what it was at one time, so unfortunately just

1218
01:00:29.239 --> 01:00:32.000
don't follow it much anymore. Yeah, did you have a question,

1219
01:00:32.119 --> 01:00:34.000
A deep thought, A deep question?

1220
01:00:34.480 --> 01:00:37.920
I think what I just find also humorous about these

1221
01:00:37.920 --> 01:00:41.679
movies is where the hell is the referee in any

1222
01:00:41.719 --> 01:00:44.320
of these? I mean, how many of these movies in

1223
01:00:44.360 --> 01:00:48.480
the Rocky series would have been stopped before it happens

1224
01:00:48.519 --> 01:00:52.079
in the film. In this one, one moment stands out

1225
01:00:52.159 --> 01:00:56.800
in particular when Clubber has Rocky in the corner and

1226
01:00:56.880 --> 01:01:00.360
he loads up his arm and it's just holding it there,

1227
01:01:00.800 --> 01:01:04.639
and Roxy's totally defensive, and I'm like, if that was

1228
01:01:04.679 --> 01:01:07.000
a real boxing match, referee would have stepped right in

1229
01:01:07.039 --> 01:01:09.400
and called it. It'd been over right there. He's got

1230
01:01:09.400 --> 01:01:12.880
nothing left. And then Rocky takes another pounding for forty

1231
01:01:12.920 --> 01:01:16.519
seconds after that. So it is funny the dramatic license

1232
01:01:16.599 --> 01:01:18.320
that they take in these films.

1233
01:01:18.760 --> 01:01:22.000
Oh man, it's a great call because they are absent

1234
01:01:22.119 --> 01:01:24.639
for the most part. You see in the opening montage

1235
01:01:25.000 --> 01:01:27.760
clever Lane literally pushing them out of the way. So

1236
01:01:27.800 --> 01:01:29.559
I wonder if then all the refs from then on

1237
01:01:29.719 --> 01:01:32.159
end were just really just scared of clever Lane. They're

1238
01:01:32.199 --> 01:01:34.079
just like, I don't want to get my ass kicked too,

1239
01:01:34.119 --> 01:01:35.679
so I'm just going to stand out here over to

1240
01:01:35.719 --> 01:01:39.840
the side. Yeah. But and that makes me think, how much,

1241
01:01:39.920 --> 01:01:41.960
you know, we have to have respect for any refs

1242
01:01:41.960 --> 01:01:44.840
that get in the ring, especially UFC. They got to

1243
01:01:44.840 --> 01:01:46.320
get in the middle of these guys and they're going

1244
01:01:46.400 --> 01:01:48.519
to take a punch every once in a while, So

1245
01:01:49.039 --> 01:01:51.360
much respect to all the refs doing it, but you're right,

1246
01:01:51.400 --> 01:01:54.039
they're pretty much absent from this film, especially these moments

1247
01:01:54.079 --> 01:01:55.800
when you see it in the opening montage and maybe

1248
01:01:55.800 --> 01:01:58.840
one of the opening or first fight between Rocky and

1249
01:01:58.880 --> 01:02:01.519
club I'm not sure, when Clubber literally picks him up,

1250
01:02:02.119 --> 01:02:04.840
the opponent picks him up and throws them against the

1251
01:02:05.360 --> 01:02:06.679
what do you call it the poll in the corner

1252
01:02:07.039 --> 01:02:12.400
against the corner right, literally throws them mid air into

1253
01:02:12.400 --> 01:02:14.559
the corner and then just continues pummeling him.

1254
01:02:14.719 --> 01:02:18.280
Or if the guy's like a punch, he'd be disqualified.

1255
01:02:18.679 --> 01:02:23.199
So there's your first loss, Clubber. Yeah, great point. I

1256
01:02:23.239 --> 01:02:26.400
only have one more question here. How much would you

1257
01:02:26.440 --> 01:02:28.880
love to have the Leroy Neiman painting from the end?

1258
01:02:29.159 --> 01:02:32.920
Oh? Yes, I know. I wonder where that is. If

1259
01:02:32.920 --> 01:02:35.280
somebody knows let it, that would be great to go

1260
01:02:35.320 --> 01:02:37.400
see that. Actually, if it was in a I wonder

1261
01:02:37.400 --> 01:02:42.800
if stillone. Yeah, yeah, it's great. It's all time classic.

1262
01:02:43.000 --> 01:02:43.880
It's very classic.

1263
01:02:44.280 --> 01:02:46.880
So depending on when people listen to this could be

1264
01:02:46.960 --> 01:02:50.880
years from now, or they recently unveiled another Rocky statue

1265
01:02:50.960 --> 01:02:53.960
at the Philadelphia Airport, so I guess there's three of

1266
01:02:53.960 --> 01:02:57.199
those statues. Of course, there's the one that, oh my god,

1267
01:02:57.199 --> 01:02:59.559
there's so much controversy about where it should be, and

1268
01:02:59.599 --> 01:03:01.840
it's a it's still at the foot of the Art

1269
01:03:01.920 --> 01:03:05.760
Museum stairs. And now there's another one that they displayed

1270
01:03:06.000 --> 01:03:08.079
a couple months ago, so it's at the airport, so

1271
01:03:08.079 --> 01:03:09.280
at least you can catch it there too.

1272
01:03:09.599 --> 01:03:11.199
But the third I have no idea.

1273
01:03:11.239 --> 01:03:13.320
But it was funny because when they said, of course,

1274
01:03:13.719 --> 01:03:16.559
you know, because people don't read, when they said the

1275
01:03:16.559 --> 01:03:18.199
statue is at the airport, Everyone's like.

1276
01:03:18.119 --> 01:03:19.159
Why would they move it?

1277
01:03:19.519 --> 01:03:22.440
Like, dude, article, it's not the same condemn statue, it's

1278
01:03:22.480 --> 01:03:26.800
a different one. Yeah, but yeah, yeah, I mean Philadelphia

1279
01:03:26.840 --> 01:03:29.079
has the Rocky statue and the Liberty Bell, and probably

1280
01:03:29.119 --> 01:03:29.920
the lines are equal.

1281
01:03:31.280 --> 01:03:34.239
There you go. Rocky is important, man, you know it.

1282
01:03:34.320 --> 01:03:36.519
You're a Philadelphy. I love it. All right.

1283
01:03:36.599 --> 01:03:39.000
Let's move on to a rating. So, on a scale

1284
01:03:39.000 --> 01:03:41.239
of one to five boxing gloves, what do you give

1285
01:03:41.320 --> 01:03:42.000
Rocky three?

1286
01:03:42.559 --> 01:03:44.920
Yeah, I'm gonna give it three point five boxing gloves.

1287
01:03:44.960 --> 01:03:48.480
I was considering giving it only three, but I'm giving

1288
01:03:48.559 --> 01:03:52.360
it the extra point five for the entertainment value. I

1289
01:03:52.400 --> 01:03:54.719
had fun with this. It is such an easy watch.

1290
01:03:54.719 --> 01:03:57.159
It's a quick watch, as we mentioned, technically an hour

1291
01:03:57.199 --> 01:04:00.719
and thirty nine minutes. Stallone looks great, Whether looks great,

1292
01:04:01.199 --> 01:04:06.159
love the training montages. Is it unintentionally funny at moments? Yes?

1293
01:04:06.760 --> 01:04:09.440
And is it over the top Yeah, But so I

1294
01:04:09.519 --> 01:04:12.039
just got mad respect for Stallone as a writer, director,

1295
01:04:13.119 --> 01:04:17.239
Hulk Hogan hilarious in this that whole sequence, like you mentioned,

1296
01:04:17.280 --> 01:04:19.119
So I'm glad you put that as a favorite scene.

1297
01:04:19.480 --> 01:04:22.119
So there's just so many highlights you revisit. It's nostalgia,

1298
01:04:22.159 --> 01:04:24.519
it's the music, It's I the Tiger come on. One

1299
01:04:24.519 --> 01:04:27.840
of the best theme songs of all time, and inspirational.

1300
01:04:28.000 --> 01:04:32.599
This is the workout playlist, so all of that emotional scene,

1301
01:04:32.719 --> 01:04:35.280
you know, with losing Mickey or just Meredith in this,

1302
01:04:35.920 --> 01:04:38.000
but good to see the cast together for the most

1303
01:04:38.119 --> 01:04:43.679
part again here and Rocky comes back again. He does

1304
01:04:43.719 --> 01:04:47.239
it again, and you still have that or I still

1305
01:04:47.280 --> 01:04:51.360
have that thrilling feeling, that adrenaline rush and the chills

1306
01:04:51.960 --> 01:04:53.760
at the very end with the theme song and when

1307
01:04:53.800 --> 01:04:55.519
he wins and he does the jump in the air.

1308
01:04:55.639 --> 01:04:59.840
So it's still effective. It's still effective for me. I have,

1309
01:05:00.239 --> 01:05:02.440
you know, the issues that were mentioned, and I'll just

1310
01:05:02.519 --> 01:05:04.480
leave it at that and still have fun.

1311
01:05:04.880 --> 01:05:07.559
I'm exactly saying three point five. Sometimes I feel like

1312
01:05:07.599 --> 01:05:09.400
you read my paper before you give your reading.

1313
01:05:09.719 --> 01:05:10.639
Yeah, it's still fun.

1314
01:05:10.880 --> 01:05:14.400
I'm surprised how fast this movie goes the fact that

1315
01:05:14.440 --> 01:05:17.840
they can make Rocky on top and then change them

1316
01:05:17.880 --> 01:05:21.000
to the underdog midway through. And that's what I just

1317
01:05:21.119 --> 01:05:23.679
love about the movies, and being the underdog and overcoming

1318
01:05:23.679 --> 01:05:25.800
the obstacles. That's what I love about most of these

1319
01:05:25.800 --> 01:05:29.679
boxing movies. Mister T I really like enjoyed him as

1320
01:05:29.800 --> 01:05:32.480
are Baddie there you go. Yeah, shout out to him

1321
01:05:32.519 --> 01:05:36.639
for sure. Carl Weathers as Apollo coming in and training,

1322
01:05:36.960 --> 01:05:40.320
Tony Burton coming back, who was Apollo's training He has

1323
01:05:40.360 --> 01:05:43.039
his appearance in that one. Yeah, yeah, I think Tony

1324
01:05:43.039 --> 01:05:46.000
Burton almost made it longer than anyone else from the

1325
01:05:46.039 --> 01:05:49.199
original movie outside of PAULI. I think they're both in

1326
01:05:49.239 --> 01:05:52.960
the first six together. But it's Rocky, man, that's all

1327
01:05:53.000 --> 01:05:55.639
I said. I'm filled delphic Rocky. I'm gonna like this movie.

1328
01:05:56.079 --> 01:05:58.440
But yeah, for me, it is in the middle of

1329
01:05:58.519 --> 01:06:02.599
the overall Rocky exactly the middle Rocky three. So everything

1330
01:06:02.800 --> 01:06:04.679
is basically is it better than this or worse than

1331
01:06:04.679 --> 01:06:05.599
this great stuff.

1332
01:06:05.639 --> 01:06:07.519
I'm glad we got to cover this man because of

1333
01:06:07.679 --> 01:06:10.000
your connection to the city and to the films. Oh

1334
01:06:10.039 --> 01:06:12.039
I wanted to ask you real quick, was Tony Burton

1335
01:06:12.079 --> 01:06:14.920
our hats that actor from The Shining? Because he has

1336
01:06:15.599 --> 01:06:17.840
one brief part? Who is the Gentleman? I thought I

1337
01:06:18.039 --> 01:06:19.960
chose the Gentleman as the one brief part that.

1338
01:06:20.119 --> 01:06:23.239
I thought you did talk about him in one of

1339
01:06:23.280 --> 01:06:23.760
the movies.

1340
01:06:24.320 --> 01:06:27.760
Yeah, because he makes the call either to uh Scatman

1341
01:06:28.039 --> 01:06:30.960
Crothers something like that towards the middle or end of

1342
01:06:31.000 --> 01:06:34.039
The Shining. I could have sworn I talked about him

1343
01:06:34.199 --> 01:06:36.400
and the fact that he was in these films as well.

1344
01:06:36.440 --> 01:06:38.039
So yeah, anyway, all good.

1345
01:06:38.840 --> 01:06:40.880
That just about wraps up for this week's episode.

1346
01:06:41.039 --> 01:06:42.559
As always, we appreciate each.

1347
01:06:42.440 --> 01:06:44.440
And again, don't forget to follow so in your favorite

1348
01:06:44.440 --> 01:06:45.239
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1349
01:06:45.280 --> 01:06:47.400
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1350
01:06:47.480 --> 01:06:49.400
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01:06:49.920 --> 01:06:53.760
He's head over to All Dingiesmovies podcast dot com all

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01:06:53.760 --> 01:06:54.639
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1353
01:06:54.840 --> 01:06:57.119
We hope you join us next time as we dive

1354
01:06:57.159 --> 01:06:58.559
into another classic from.

1355
01:06:58.440 --> 01:07:01.880
The greatest movie decade ever two Naties.

1356
01:07:02.199 --> 01:07:03.719
Until then, stay cool.

1357
01:07:03.599 --> 01:07:07.119
You have an excellent Everyone to all my love slaves

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01:07:07.119 --> 01:07:12.360
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01:07:12.559 --> 01:07:19.519
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1360
01:07:19.559 --> 01:07:21.800
Thanks for staying up with us. Good Night world,