May 10, 2026

180 - The Secret of NIMH

180 - The Secret of NIMH
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Season 6

"A world of fantasy, adventure and excitement opens up for Mrs Brisby when she discovers... The Secret of NIMH." In this episode, we discuss the animated adventure 'The Secret of NIMH.' The movie stars the voice talents of Elizabeth Hartman, Derek Jacobi and Dom DeLuise. Written and directed by Don Bluth. Based on the novel "Mrs. Frisby and the Rats of NIMH" by Robert C. O'Brien.

The Secret of NIMH - IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084649/?ref_=tttg_ov_bk
The Secret of NIMH - Rotten Tomatoes: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/secret_of_nimh




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Hello, and welcome to the All Eighties Movies podcast and

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the podcast where we talk about the blockbusters, love locks,

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and everything in between. From one of the presses Decades

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from Movies the nineteen eighties. I'm host Bill Banton. Long

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of me on this journey revisiting eighties movies is my

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co host Jason Nasse.

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Hello, Jason, Courage of the Heart is very rare. The

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stone has a power when it's there.

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That's right, listeners, we are discussing with Spoils of plenty.

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The nineteen eighty two animated movie The Secret of Nim.

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It was produced by United Artists and Don Bluth Productions

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and distributed by mgm UA Communications. The movie stars the

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voice talents of Elizabeth Hartman, Peter Strauss, and Don Delaize.

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Written directed by Don Bluth, this movie is rated G

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with a running time of one hour and twenty two minutes.

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It was based on the children's novel Missus Frisbee and

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the Rats of Nim by Robert C. O'Brien. So what

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is this movie about? What's on the box? If you

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grew up in the nineteen eighties and went to your

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local video store to rent this movie, you would find

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this description on the back of the VHS box. It

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is what's on the box, take Away, Jason.

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The Secret of Nim marks a spectacular return to the

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classic Disney style of animation. The story revolves around a

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certain Missus Brisbee, a widow mouse with four little mice

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who live underground in a field. Every year at springtime,

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the family are forced to leave their home when the

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field is plowed. This year, however, one of the little

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mice is too sick to be moved, and Missus Brisbee

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must find a way to save the family from the

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imminent plow forces. She sets off to enlist help and

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is joined by a crackpot crow with a heart of gold,

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a pompous true and a great wise owl. They alone

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are powerless until they meet a race of intelligent super

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rats who are party to the sinister Secret of Nim.

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The Secret of Nim is a rare film in which

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the cartoon characters really capture the imagination, particularly Jeremy the Crow,

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an inspired invention The Secret of Nim.

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Secret of Nim Jason our first animated movie.

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Here we go. I know, I thought the same thing.

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I was like, we haven't gone into this foray yet,

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but yeah, looking forward to it. Man, all right, so

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that was what's on the box?

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And Jason, do you remember the first time you saw

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the Secret of Nim Nope, this is gonna be quick. I, however,

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do know that I saw it.

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I can feel it in my gut. Bill Bant. I

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was only eight when this was released, and the plot

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of this movie escaped me completely. I know I saw it,

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though I haven't seen it since I was a child,

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and I only recall it being an acclaimed animated film.

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That's all I got. What about you? Do you remember seeing.

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This pretty sure? I saw it on HBO. Definitely not

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in theater. Definitely do not rent this. This was a

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cable watch and I don't think I watched it very

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many times. So this was a long time coming to

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revisit this. And I know it took a long time

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to come up with animated movies because let's be honest,

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animated movies in the eighties were not the greatest per se.

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I mean, everyone probably has one or two they really

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do like, but I think overall, compared to where we

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are now with animation, the eighties were kind of.

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A dip, no question.

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So let's talk about the movie. What are our impressions

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secreted in.

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Yeah, I'm looking forward to this Bill because this was

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fun just watching a solid animated film, Don Bluth's animated

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feature film directorial debut, head of Don Bluth Productions. I

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looked at his filmography. Man, this guy. You know once

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he broke away from Disney, which we may talk about

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in fun Facts and Trivia. He directed an American tale,

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The Land Before Time, All Dogs Go to Heaven. These

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are big animated films from the eighties, some of the

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better films like it, and I agree with you Bill

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Bant that there wasn't a lot to pick from, but

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his films are good. And then after the eighties you

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have Thumbelina Anastasia. One of my cult favorites is titan Ae.

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I've watched that several times and I forgot that Don

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Bluth had done that one. And then listen to this

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Bill Bent. I was looking at his filmography on Wikipedia

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and at the very bottom it says Dragon's Lair. The

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movie is to be announced.

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They've been talking about it for a long time. I

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think there was a one of those fundraiser campaigns to

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get it started Kickstarter a year or two back. I

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don't know where it went. So I don't know if

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that's happened or not. I would love for that to happen.

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How cool would that be? All right?

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Oh, I'd certainly be the theater to watch that one.

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Yeah, for sure, for sure. So this being his directorial debut,

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and if I'm not mistaken in the research, he feels

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that this is his favorite film still to this day.

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I get why. Talking about the tone of this, I

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like this style of animation, this darkness, this mystery. I'm sucker,

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as you well know, for good lore. I like the

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cool mysterious locations discovered along the Heroine's journey and this film,

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we obviously have all the archetypes present in this. We

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have the heroine or hero, the Chosen One and Missus Brisbee.

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We've got the hero's journey. We have our sidekick slash

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Jester and Jeremy the Crow voiced by the Great Dom Delawies.

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We have the wise Old Man with mister Ages, the

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Wizard slash Sorcerer, Nicodemus, the Shadow Figure or in Genner.

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There's an amulet key or with powers. There's the Promised Land,

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which is supposedly either the Lee of the Stone or

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Thorn valley for the rats. It's got all of those elements,

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which I'm very attracted to, so I definitely enjoyed the tone,

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the look, and the feel of this overall. I mentioned

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some of the cool names there of some of the characters.

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Nicodemus first of all Greek origin, meaning victory of the

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people kind known as a spiritual, biblical, or intellectual leader

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or truth seeker. Great name, Nicodemus, really cool name. I agree,

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that is a good name. Dragon the cat. Would you

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ever name your cat? Dragon? That's pretty sinister? That was interesting.

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Jenner was kind of a cool name for our bad

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guy or antagonist in this film. Mister Ages for the

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wise old mouse who is like part time primary care

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physician and part time mechanic I guess or alchemist. That

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was cool. Missus Brisbee is great. We'll talk about her

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name later, our heroin protagonist. Well, you know what I

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noted too, is we never learn her first name. No,

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we do not. No, I'm stepping on my trivia right now.

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Because missus Brisbee doesn't have a given name. Fans have

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nicknamed her Elizabeth in loving memory of her voice actress

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Elizabeth Hartman, who passed after this. And yeah, until that

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character had no on screen first name. She was only

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revered as Missus Jonathan Brisbee. Also the name just Nim

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in the title Folks by the way, all caps because

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it's an acronym for National Institute of Mental Health. And

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these are things I had completely forgotten about. Of course,

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same here, and I'm like, wow, this is weird but cool.

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What does the National Institute of Mental Health have anything

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to do with this movie? So I enjoyed the mystery

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of that and the names. There's some creativity and it's

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fun that there's some really simple names in here too,

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like obviously Jeremy the Crow, and then you have the

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kids like Martin and Tim and Cynthia. So anyway, great

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great characters, great voice actors in this. I do love

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the animation in this because I will always have an

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attachment to this style. It is a bit of a

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throwback to, like it says in the What's on the

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Box synopsis, throwback to that classic Disney style. Bluth specifically

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wanted to bring that style back for this. You mentioned

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some of the voice actors were justked about. Elizabeth Hartman

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as Missus Brisbee, Derek Jacobe as Nicodemus, Arthur Mallett as

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mister Ages. We talked about Tom Delawiz. I mean, he's wonderful,

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a lot of fun, and that's just to name a few.

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But Shannon Doherty does a voice in this I couldn't

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believe that I had no as Teresa, the middle child

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of missus Brisbee's. And then guess who else? Will Wheaton

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will shocked at that too, his feature debut as well

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as Doherty's, and he does the voice of Martin, the

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eldest son of Missus Brisbee. All these characters being the

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mice starring in this film, So yeah, pretty cool. Got

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to give a shout out to the film composer, the

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one and only, Jerry Goldsmith. Do you love the music

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in this bill? Yes? I did.

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And there's a little hint of Poltergeist in there.

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Wow, nice nice call. I don't know if I picked

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up on that.

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Yeah, there's a I'm trying to think, what's scene that

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really stood out? I'm like, oh, yeah, that sounds very poultery.

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It might have been when they went in the rats Layer. Sure,

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I think I heard a little bit of it. Now

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that you say that, I can kind of hear it.

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But yeah, Jerry Goldsmith, you know growing up being a

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fan of film composers and orchestral soundtracks. Of course I

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always called them the three J's right, the big three.

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Jerry Goldsmith, James Horner, and John Williams seemed to be

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the ones I was always listening to, so always been

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a Goldsmith fan. Of course, James Newton Howard would get

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on that list for me later on, with Danny Elfmanhn Zimmer,

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Michael Caman, et cetera, et cetera. Those were my eighties

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film composers. Jerry Goldsmith was definitely up there on the

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list for me. So I loved the soundtrack, and this

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happened to be his animated feature debut, the first animated

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feature he'd ever done. So yeah, I enjoyed this film,

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Bill Band. It's definitely of a time. This is just

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kind of weird and wild.

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So I'm twenty five minutes into the film and I'm

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totally engaged and I find it fun, but I admit

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that there's a part of me questioning where's this going.

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The films less than an hour and a half long,

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were almost a half an hour in and I wasn't

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sure what direction it was going in. I was wondering

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about the pacing of the story. I don't know if

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you had any feeling about that. I'm going to about

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to get into a little more of my issues with that,

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but didn't know if you were feeling that at all.

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I think mine was more of who is this movie

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made for?

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Huh?

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And I think of the opening scene when we have

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Nicodemus and he's talking the cold open, right, and he's

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writing into the journal the story of cool Jonathan Brisbee.

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It is a cool scene, but I'm thinking, if I'm

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eight years old and I'm watching this, I'm not really

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paying attention to what Nicodemus is talking about. So this

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whole cold open has gone over my head. So I

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have no idea what is going on. And luckily because

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every time I watch movies for this podcast, I always

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make sure I do close captioning so I see what's happening.

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Also also, even for me as an adult, I was

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kind of half listening, but then when I was watching

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what was being said, I'm like, oh, I really need

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to pay attention to this, right. And there's a lot

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of dark moments in this m h A lot of

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scary stuff for young children, no question, so older children,

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I think they might turned off because it's like a

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movie about mice. I don't want to watch a movie

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about mice. Pretty significant mouse in the cartoon world already,

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so why do I need to watch something else for mice?

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And then you have to make them engaging enough for

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adults because they want to pay attention to what's going on.

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They're the ones that are bringing their kids to watch

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this movie. It almost feels like it's more for them.

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It has that those kids we went to film school

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with you had a like secret to him to be

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cool in the film world.

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Sure, right, That's what it felt like. This movie was

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four interesting.

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I did enjoy the movie, though, I mean I watched

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this a ton the last couple couple of days. I

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listened to it more than I watched it, which is

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surbrise's because it's animation. But my overall thing was like,

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who was this movie really made for? Because Adam Maners

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left Disney to start another studio and this is their

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first effort, right, so you got to hit it out

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of the park or else you're in trouble. And I'm

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surprised too. I've never seen this book. Missus Frisbee and

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the Rats of nim never heard of it. Yeah, I

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never heard of it either, And I think even with kids,

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you would think I would still see it at the bookstore.

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Maybe I've seen adaptations of the Secret of Nim, but

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never anything that said Missus Frisbee and the Rats of Nim.

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I've never come across it or even heard of it,

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which was a surprise.

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Good point.

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So this is ballsy to do this, But I did

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enjoy it. It's just how were you getting the people

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to get in the theater to watch this movie? Even

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if you look at Disney films, there's all those dark moments.

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There are dark moments, and a lot of Disney's you know, right,

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someone's always losing a parent or something. But this one

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has a lot more dark moments than you would typically

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think for a children's film. When you're looking at the characters.

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This movie seems like it's supposed to be for six

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to ten year olds because it's supposed to be cute

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little mice, but it's really not. So would ten to

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fourteen year olds be interested in this?

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I don't know. You make all great points. That's some

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great commentary built because and I agree wholeheartedly, the rescuers

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had come out in seventy seven I Believe, which was, Yeah,

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that's one of my favorites. Yeah, that's a classic. And

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so this is a real risk doing another Mice movie, right,

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and this is an issue for those when they were

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trying to make the movie and get it sold, you know,

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So that makes sense. I totally agree with you with

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the cold Open. I had to watch the cold Open

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three or four times to make sure I knew what

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Nicodemus was saying, because I did not have the clothes

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catching on. And you're right. It's like, well, maybe this

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movie's made for me because I love that lore stuff.

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But you're absolutely right. You would think the core target

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demographic would be those kids, the little you know, the

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young kids from six to ten, eight to ten, what

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have you. And the movie in that cold open starts

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with basically a death. Nicodemus is talking about the death

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of jonasthan Grisbye. That's a really dark way to start,

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and it has some cool animation with him using like

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that fountain pen, that magical pen writing in his journal

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book and you're trying to read the writing that's on there,

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and it's a little ahead of the dialogue or behind

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the dialogue. I couldn't tell, but it's not the easiest

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to follow, so I did have to go back and

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make sure. Oh okay, so it's been four years since

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they left NIM and Jonathan Grisby passed away at the

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hands of dragging the cat, you know, and it's like, okay,

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cool opening, but not necessarily easy to follow. So that's

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a great point. This was a yeah, you're right, a

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big risk to go in this direction for your first

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feature out of the box after departing Disney.

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Not the easiest sell here, But yeah, I think this

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story to me seem pretty basic because it's that and

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you've talked about the heroes journey and stuff like that,

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and what a parent will do for their child. That

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really resonated with me. Missus Brisbe steps out of a

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band so many times, having to do things to make

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sure she's going to be able to save her son Timmy.

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You know, to go see the great owl when you're

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the primary food group for that owl, right, that's gutsy.

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That's gutsy. And then the plow starting and then trying

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to jump in and shout it off, that's gutsy. Going

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to see the rats kind of your enemy, that's gutsy,

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So I did like that house. She always had to

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step out of her element because she's doing this for

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her child.

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One thousand percent. And I appreciate your perspective as a

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parent because I am not a parent. I do not

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have kids, so I don't look through those glasses when

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I see it. I mean, I knew that's what she

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was doing, but that it's not necessarily what impacts me

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the most. It did work, and it shows how much

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heart she has and thus is able to use the

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amulet at the end. And speaking of the amulet, you

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had a question about the amulet before we got online

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to record this episode. And my issue or issues with

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this movie, I should say, this film left me with

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a lot of questions that mostly revolve around the magical

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and fantastical aspects. I'm with you on this. So I

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just wrote these questions and you can answer, you can

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cut me off whatever, or we talk about it at

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the end. But I just wrote these and I'll just

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spit them out. And so Nicodemus had some kind of

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supernatural powers as a result of the lab testing at

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NIM because it didn't seem as though the other rats

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had either magical or supernatural powers. He's a wizard type.

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And then did he use his power to make the

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amulet powerful? Because the amulet itself has supernatural qualities? Was

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he doing that in the very beginning when he puts

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the amulet in the box, did he put the power

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into the I'm not sure that if that amulet as

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sparkly is is that what Jeremy called it? Yes, the

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road that's great is just has an innate power in itself.

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It was there's just like, what's going on here? What

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is the amulet? And why is it that Kademus has

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these powers? So is this a sword and sorcery movie

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or these just animals that are highly intelligent for a reason,

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which we do find out later in the film. And

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then I was asking myself, why are the rats in

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the rose bush harnessing the electricity? What are they using

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it for exactly? And why did they need it? Was

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it for general living purposes? And then I realized in

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reading more and then think about it, it made sense because

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they have more human qualities and thus require that power

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to do their work inside of the rose bush, et cetera.

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To keep the lights on basically, And Nicodemus has a

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quote when he's talking to Missus Brisbee says, he says,

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my child, we can no longer live as rats. We

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know too much. So they're obviously elevated and more evolved.

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But yeah, I was like, at the end, I'm going

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you have Jenner and his sidekick Sullivan. They've got swords

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and they're going to start to implement their evil plan.

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Where'd the swords come from? Where are they carrying swords?

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So again, I love the lore in this, but I

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just have some questions, specifically with those fantastical elements. Missus

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Brisbee literally uses the Amulet at the end to lift

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her cement block home from the mud, like Yoda uses

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the force to lift the x Wing from the swamp.

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Where did this magic come from? Why is this magic

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here existing in this world? It felt separate a little bit.

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I liked it, I just needed to have a little

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bit more of the why, like why it was there.

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I suppose I'm one hundred percent agreement, and I thought

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that somehow Nico demons had put Jonathan's spirit into the

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amulet and that's how it was able to activate and

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save the kids.

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But totally idea, Yeah, I thought that's kind of what

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he was doing too, But it doesn't get answered.

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No, it doesn't get answered. Why does he have magical

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powers if you got the same shots that all the

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other rats and mice did. Why are they just more intelligent?

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But none of them show any signs of having any

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kind of power?

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Right, So I have more questions that I'll bring up later.

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But my other issue I think with this because I

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mentioned the pacing in the way the story unfolds, I

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felt like Jenner, our antagonist, is introduced a bit too late.

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It's about forty minutes or so into the film, almost

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halfway through, and his motivation is very simple. I just

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felt like we needed to be introduced to the rats

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in the rose Bush earlier. That's the part of the

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film that started to really intrigue me, because that's the core.

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That's when we learn about Nim. We learned about these

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rats that are now, like I said, more evolved and

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highly intelligent, and they have been stealing the power of

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the electricity and feel shame for that. They've been stealing

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electricity and power from the Fitzgibbons home, the farmer's house,

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and now their whole plan, which is mentioned by Nicodemus

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in the very very beginning is to move to another

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location so that they don't have to steal anymore and

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somehow attain or obtain their own power by their own means,

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meaning electricity. So it's very strange, but it just I

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felt like the rats and gender should it that whole

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idea concept plotline through lunch should have been introduced earlier.

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Yeah, I think that does make sense. We're saying. I'm

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trying to figure out how you've put it in.

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Mm hmm. Yeah.

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You really don't meet one of our batties until yeah,

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halfway through the movie.

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Well, it's funny you just said one of our batties, because, honestly, Bill,

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I thought this was going to be headed toward a

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showdown between the rats and or mice and dragging the cat.

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I thought that was going to be a big thing

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at the end, and it just didn't happen.

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Of course, Oh that's true. Yeah, dragging the cat kind

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of disappears.

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I mean literally, missus Brisbee succeeds in her mission in

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drugging the cat, and then that's it. We don't see

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him anymore. I like draggoning the cat, I kind of

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I just maybe that is just a taste thing For me,

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I just liked him. I was like, when is the

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big the big battle with Dragon the cat, because that's

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the whole with the movie starts with you learn about

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Jonathan Brisbee's death and you think, I'm assuming he was

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killed by the cat or we don't. We'd actually don't

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know how he died specifically, I don't think.

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Do we no, But it is to go to drug

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the cat, so I would guess it was Dragon that

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did it, mm hmm. But it's not one hundred percent clear, right.

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So when that is how the movie kind of starts

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and you're just like, ooh, there's this big bad cat,

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which is great, you got mice, you got cats that

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that totally makes sense their rivals enemies and how is

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that going to come to a head at the end.

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So those are my issues. That was it. Otherwise it's

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an entertaining film. It looks fantastic. The colors are great,

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so many rich colors. I like the characters. I thought

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the voice actors were a lot of I mean, Dom

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Delowiz is fun. So it was an It's hard to

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say I was even revisiting it feels like I was

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visiting it for the first time and I thought this

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was kind of a weird wild ride that I wasn't expecting.

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Pleasant surprise for me overall.

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Yeah, are you wanna get in the favorite scenes or moments?

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Yeah, let's do it, all right?

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So what are our sum of our favorite scenes and moments

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from the Secret of Nim for all eighty two minutes

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of it? Well, I mean we did talk beforehand. I

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think we all had the same certainly. The first one

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was meeting Jeremy played by Dom Delawiz.

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Jeremy the Crow.

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Just hearing his voice, I forgot how much I used

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to love Dom Delowiz.

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As a kid.

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Yep, yep, absolutely when we get into accounaball run. I

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was Captain Chaos once for Halloween. That's how much I

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loved Dom Delowiz in that character, and just hearing him

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just brought back so many memories. He was just a fun,

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lovable guy. He just always just seemed to be happy

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when he was on screen, and that's what I just

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kind of missed, And he has that with this character too.

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He's just a fun dufas crow, always getting into mischief.

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So just have him introduced just a lot of fun.

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One thousand percent couldn't agree with you more. I knew

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he was in the movie, but then he just shows up.

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He just starts talking and it's like, oh my god,

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that's Don Delawise. He's hilarious. I love this. This is

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going to be fun. He's goofy, he's clumsy, he's all

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those things. It's perfect. I mean, he's cast so perfectly

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as Jeremy the Crow and this so lots of fun.

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That goes right into you know, his introduction goes right

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into my first favorite scene, which is the escape from

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Dragon the Cat. And this is just a really fun

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action sequence and watching it just for the animation, because

455
00:23:45.480 --> 00:23:49.920
we get Dragon chasing both Jeremy missus Brisbee through the trees.

456
00:23:49.960 --> 00:23:54.000
There's all these snapping branches. Dragon looks amazing, so intimidating

457
00:23:54.039 --> 00:23:57.000
with his one yellow eye and one blue eye, and

458
00:23:57.079 --> 00:23:59.519
he's got the big claws and he's just big and

459
00:23:59.640 --> 00:24:04.000
fat and strong and just jumping all over surprisingly agile.

460
00:24:04.519 --> 00:24:07.119
So they're jumping through the trees and then into the water.

461
00:24:07.200 --> 00:24:10.400
The animation is so colorful and it looks great. It's

462
00:24:10.839 --> 00:24:15.079
really well directed action. There's some really cool action in it.

463
00:24:15.480 --> 00:24:19.200
I appreciated all of that. There's one moment where Jeremy,

464
00:24:19.240 --> 00:24:21.839
because when we're introduced to Jeremy the crow, he's tangled

465
00:24:21.920 --> 00:24:25.400
up in the string. He actually uses that string, dangles it,

466
00:24:25.480 --> 00:24:28.359
and Missus Brisbee jumps onto it and then swings onto

467
00:24:28.359 --> 00:24:30.880
the tree. A great moment and the action sequence, and

468
00:24:30.920 --> 00:24:34.640
then afterward with Jeremy kind of being self congratulatory and

469
00:24:35.119 --> 00:24:38.079
at the same time mistakenly somehow manages to save the

470
00:24:38.119 --> 00:24:41.960
medicine for Missus Brisbee's sick son. A lot of fun.

471
00:24:42.240 --> 00:24:45.319
It's good action. I watched it a couple times. I

472
00:24:45.359 --> 00:24:47.799
was like, this just looks really it's just really cut

473
00:24:47.839 --> 00:24:51.559
well and looks really cool, and dragon's really intimidating. I

474
00:24:51.640 --> 00:24:52.119
liked it a lot.

475
00:24:52.720 --> 00:24:55.079
And this is what I love about old animation too,

476
00:24:55.559 --> 00:24:59.480
is like the scene when Missus Brigsby's climbing up the

477
00:24:59.519 --> 00:25:02.279
tree and you can see some of the branches are

478
00:25:02.319 --> 00:25:04.240
off color because you know there's the ones that are

479
00:25:04.240 --> 00:25:05.000
going to be animated.

480
00:25:05.759 --> 00:25:08.319
Oh sure, I missed that stuff. Mm hmm.

481
00:25:08.759 --> 00:25:10.440
You be like a rock and like, oh, okay, the

482
00:25:10.480 --> 00:25:12.279
character's going to kick that rock just because it's a

483
00:25:12.319 --> 00:25:14.160
different color than the background.

484
00:25:14.200 --> 00:25:14.359
Temp.

485
00:25:14.440 --> 00:25:16.480
I don't, I can't. I can't remember what they call that.

486
00:25:16.599 --> 00:25:18.880
The back the backdrop and then they you know, you

487
00:25:18.960 --> 00:25:22.000
put the cells on top of it to animate, but

488
00:25:22.079 --> 00:25:24.319
there's something off color you know, that's going to move

489
00:25:24.400 --> 00:25:27.480
or something. So I did enjoy seeing all that, especially

490
00:25:27.519 --> 00:25:30.440
through the action sies when they're scrambling through or swimming

491
00:25:30.480 --> 00:25:32.359
in the water, like, oh okay, you can see the

492
00:25:32.359 --> 00:25:35.079
stuff that's going to move or get touched in that point.

493
00:25:35.119 --> 00:25:36.799
So it was a lot of fun. That's funny you

494
00:25:36.880 --> 00:25:37.240
catch that.

495
00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:39.720
Yeah, for sure, they have those background I don't know

496
00:25:39.759 --> 00:25:42.079
if Matt paintings or what it would be like kind

497
00:25:42.119 --> 00:25:44.920
of correct, but yeah, they have that whole Yeah, it's

498
00:25:44.960 --> 00:25:47.359
so many layers. It's just layers upon layers of stuff,

499
00:25:47.359 --> 00:25:48.759
but you can kind of see that. So it is

500
00:25:48.799 --> 00:25:52.559
fun to pinpoint for sure. So what do we have next?

501
00:25:52.799 --> 00:25:56.799
So I'm just going right into another cool animation action sequence.

502
00:25:57.000 --> 00:25:59.839
And it's the morning of the move. It's the plow

503
00:26:00.240 --> 00:26:04.920
is coming early because the frost has lifted. It's moving day,

504
00:26:04.920 --> 00:26:06.440
and the Brisbee's got to get out of the house.

505
00:26:06.480 --> 00:26:09.000
But they can't move because young Timothy is sick with pneumonia.

506
00:26:09.079 --> 00:26:11.440
So that's a problem. This is just a little bit

507
00:26:11.440 --> 00:26:14.880
of a kind of an Indiana Jones sequence, good action.

508
00:26:15.240 --> 00:26:18.240
You got the plow coming through the field headed right

509
00:26:18.319 --> 00:26:21.839
towards the Brisbee house, which is the cinder block that's

510
00:26:21.960 --> 00:26:25.240
underneath the ground. But you have this great character an

511
00:26:25.240 --> 00:26:29.119
anti shrew, a shrew who is like basically the ant

512
00:26:29.160 --> 00:26:31.119
to this family who has warned them they got to

513
00:26:31.119 --> 00:26:33.599
get out of their house. And so she's there with

514
00:26:33.680 --> 00:26:36.759
the family and Missus Brisbee when the plow approaches, it's

515
00:26:36.799 --> 00:26:41.039
just this cool action where Missus Brisbee just kicks into action,

516
00:26:41.359 --> 00:26:43.640
jumps onto the plow and is like trying to figure

517
00:26:43.640 --> 00:26:45.920
out a way to stop it. She figures that's the

518
00:26:45.960 --> 00:26:49.400
only way to do this. Missus Brisbee then flies in

519
00:26:49.440 --> 00:26:52.279
to save the day, cuts the fuel line, and of

520
00:26:52.279 --> 00:26:55.599
course the plow stops right before running over the Brisbee home.

521
00:26:56.200 --> 00:26:58.799
They're jumping through the gears. The animation is just really

522
00:26:58.799 --> 00:27:00.839
cool and it's just funest and then you have the

523
00:27:00.839 --> 00:27:03.880
great Jerry Goldsmith score in the back. That's it fun.

524
00:27:04.240 --> 00:27:06.319
Yeah, I found it to be a pretty fun scene.

525
00:27:06.359 --> 00:27:10.799
And then you see the tube like, oh, okay, any

526
00:27:10.799 --> 00:27:13.200
street is gonna pull this tube off. Stop somehow stop

527
00:27:13.240 --> 00:27:16.640
the tractor. There we go boom. Another favorite scene was

528
00:27:16.680 --> 00:27:20.720
the meeting the rats, so missus Brisbee has to meet

529
00:27:20.759 --> 00:27:22.920
with the rats in order for them to come up

530
00:27:22.960 --> 00:27:25.039
with a plan to move her house before the plow

531
00:27:25.359 --> 00:27:29.759
does eventually rip through their home. And just going back

532
00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:33.400
to dragons Layer, just because so much of that animation

533
00:27:33.559 --> 00:27:36.920
reminded me of so many of the scenes from Dragon's Layer,

534
00:27:37.039 --> 00:27:41.359
the game which I loved playing in the early eighties

535
00:27:41.400 --> 00:27:44.319
at United States of America. I remember playing it the

536
00:27:44.319 --> 00:27:47.359
first time. It was on the boardwalk in Wildwood. My

537
00:27:47.440 --> 00:27:50.599
mom put in the fifty cents and died, Died, died,

538
00:27:50.799 --> 00:27:53.920
But it was hooked to that game forever. You just

539
00:27:53.960 --> 00:27:57.279
see that looks in that scene and just the world

540
00:27:57.359 --> 00:28:01.480
that the rats created. I always love animated stuff when

541
00:28:01.960 --> 00:28:05.640
we get to go into a world like rats or

542
00:28:05.720 --> 00:28:09.359
little people, and how they use common objects in a

543
00:28:09.359 --> 00:28:11.920
different way from what we use them for. And you

544
00:28:11.960 --> 00:28:14.480
see a lot of that. Christmas legs for us is

545
00:28:14.519 --> 00:28:17.519
our main lighting for them. So just that kind of

546
00:28:17.559 --> 00:28:20.799
stuff is a lot of fun to watch. Could agree more.

547
00:28:20.799 --> 00:28:22.640
I had this as well. I just I wrote down

548
00:28:22.680 --> 00:28:25.839
the descent into the Rat's layer deep inside the rose bush.

549
00:28:26.160 --> 00:28:31.000
Such a cool location, cool idea. It's ominous, everything appears electrified,

550
00:28:31.279 --> 00:28:34.880
great colors once again, love all the electric effects. Then

551
00:28:34.920 --> 00:28:37.240
there's one moment Missus Brisbee goes into like an open

552
00:28:37.359 --> 00:28:40.559
like a clearing, and this beautiful like green valley within

553
00:28:40.680 --> 00:28:43.799
the bush, and then you have Brutus, this giant rat

554
00:28:43.839 --> 00:28:45.480
guard with an electrified spear.

555
00:28:45.599 --> 00:28:48.640
Love that moment. It's just so cavernous, and there's a

556
00:28:48.640 --> 00:28:51.359
great line because you talk about the size difference in

557
00:28:51.359 --> 00:28:53.519
the pright and they remind you how tiny they are

558
00:28:53.559 --> 00:28:57.519
because at one point missus Brisbee is following mister Ages

559
00:28:58.119 --> 00:29:02.440
through this cavernous area to get to Nicodemus, and she says,

560
00:29:02.640 --> 00:29:06.920
is it always so dark? And mister Ages goes, We're

561
00:29:06.960 --> 00:29:11.720
down three feet like it's that's like a big deal

562
00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:15.839
for them, Yeah, waist deep, whoa right? Three feet. But

563
00:29:15.960 --> 00:29:18.799
my favorite part is when they meet Justin the captain

564
00:29:18.839 --> 00:29:21.839
of the Guard and they all get aboard the lantern

565
00:29:22.160 --> 00:29:25.160
and close the door, which then seals them inside the

566
00:29:25.240 --> 00:29:29.400
lantern and it's lowered downward underneath the water and goes

567
00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:32.079
below the water all the way to the bottom and

568
00:29:32.119 --> 00:29:34.599
the water and then just drains out of the cavern.

569
00:29:34.720 --> 00:29:36.480
They get out of the lantern and make their way

570
00:29:36.519 --> 00:29:38.680
into the grain storage area, and then the council room.

571
00:29:38.839 --> 00:29:42.640
It's just a really cool thing with the lantern being

572
00:29:42.680 --> 00:29:45.839
lowered and they're inside it. So again that size ratio

573
00:29:45.960 --> 00:29:46.839
thing was pretty cool.

574
00:29:47.519 --> 00:29:51.839
The whole mechanics on getting to the I guess main ballroom,

575
00:29:51.960 --> 00:29:55.039
as you would say, a lantern are used as an elevator.

576
00:29:55.480 --> 00:29:58.680
Another scene that really reminded me of Dragon's Layer when

577
00:29:58.720 --> 00:30:01.640
she was walking through the first initial part and the

578
00:30:01.680 --> 00:30:03.559
thorn bushes come out of nowhere and they kind of

579
00:30:03.599 --> 00:30:06.319
intertwine and almost like you can't turn around and get out,

580
00:30:06.319 --> 00:30:08.240
you got to go forward, and I was like, oh God,

581
00:30:08.319 --> 00:30:10.599
that's so Dragonslayer also so cool.

582
00:30:11.240 --> 00:30:13.079
I love the idea that the rats of the sequence,

583
00:30:13.079 --> 00:30:15.240
when they go into like the council room and you

584
00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:18.720
have Genner talking to the all the council men or

585
00:30:18.839 --> 00:30:22.599
council rats, that there's a line in there where they

586
00:30:22.720 --> 00:30:25.279
feel that all the other animals in the field are

587
00:30:25.400 --> 00:30:29.079
lower creatures, which is just a cool concept. The fact

588
00:30:29.119 --> 00:30:33.720
that they're rats, and we as humans obviously think of

589
00:30:33.799 --> 00:30:38.319
rats as kind of guttural, yes, dirty diseased animals, not

590
00:30:38.400 --> 00:30:39.759
all of them, of course. I don't want to offend

591
00:30:39.839 --> 00:30:41.759
all the rats out there, but I'm just saying that

592
00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:45.359
they are the ones calling the other animals lower creatures

593
00:30:45.440 --> 00:30:47.519
is very cool. Love that when you keep bringing up

594
00:30:47.559 --> 00:30:50.640
Dragon's Layer because I've never lost money quicker, I should

595
00:30:50.640 --> 00:30:55.000
have just literally thrown my roll of quarters into the trash.

596
00:30:55.119 --> 00:30:57.119
It was so fun. Don't get me wrong, off dragons

597
00:30:57.160 --> 00:30:59.319
Layer is the best, but man, I sucked at it,

598
00:30:59.440 --> 00:31:01.960
and it was always fifty cents instead of twenty five cents.

599
00:31:01.839 --> 00:31:03.559
Right, Yeah, it was first video game. I remember being

600
00:31:03.559 --> 00:31:06.960
fifty cents. Damn two quarters and I played for all

601
00:31:07.240 --> 00:31:08.039
thirty seconds.

602
00:31:08.440 --> 00:31:11.240
Sex Mom and dad are like, you're already done in

603
00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:14.400
the arcade? Yeah, lost all my quarters in two minutes.

604
00:31:15.119 --> 00:31:17.640
And then a final favorite scenier moment for us I

605
00:31:17.640 --> 00:31:19.920
think we agree on this one is the final duel

606
00:31:20.039 --> 00:31:21.799
between Justin and Jenner.

607
00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:23.880
Yep, great stuff.

608
00:31:24.160 --> 00:31:27.799
So the Rats do agree to help the Brisbees move

609
00:31:27.839 --> 00:31:31.640
their home because of the debt for Jonathan Brisbee, because

610
00:31:31.680 --> 00:31:34.519
we do find out it's Jonathan Brisbee that got them

611
00:31:34.559 --> 00:31:36.960
out of nim or did the last stage to get

612
00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:39.920
them out, so they're beholden to him. But the first

613
00:31:39.960 --> 00:31:42.279
a little bit argument about it, and then Jenner sees

614
00:31:42.319 --> 00:31:44.880
it as an opportunity to get rid of NiCoT Damas

615
00:31:44.880 --> 00:31:46.559
because he wants to be in charge of the rats,

616
00:31:46.559 --> 00:31:51.400
and unfortunately they are successful and Nicodemus dies and that's

617
00:31:51.440 --> 00:31:54.559
when Justin realizes that Jenner set this whole thing up

618
00:31:54.680 --> 00:31:56.480
and they have the final duel.

619
00:31:57.400 --> 00:31:59.240
I enjoyed it. It was a lot of fun. Always like

620
00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:01.920
a good swordfi. You were talking about this earlier Bill,

621
00:32:02.160 --> 00:32:06.160
this is violent. There's death in here. I was like, wait, oh, damn,

622
00:32:06.440 --> 00:32:09.720
Nicodemus is actually dead. I didn't think they would succeed

623
00:32:09.799 --> 00:32:12.680
with the plan they did. They killed him. I forgot

624
00:32:12.680 --> 00:32:15.359
about that too. These rats are slicing each other up,

625
00:32:15.400 --> 00:32:18.359
We're seeing blood flowing. I always like a good sword fight,

626
00:32:18.559 --> 00:32:21.920
solid choreography. Love the fact that it's Jenner's kind of

627
00:32:21.960 --> 00:32:24.640
evil sidekick that comes to the good side and as

628
00:32:24.680 --> 00:32:27.759
he's dying, saves the day by throwing his knife into

629
00:32:27.839 --> 00:32:32.000
Jenner's back and then he falls to his death. So

630
00:32:32.240 --> 00:32:34.799
little trivia on this. I love this. The staging of

631
00:32:34.799 --> 00:32:37.960
the climactic sword fight between Justin Jenner was largely taken

632
00:32:38.000 --> 00:32:42.240
from the Tony Curtis Kirk Douglas duel in the Vikings

633
00:32:42.839 --> 00:32:46.319
film from nineteen fifty eight, and some choreography, including the

634
00:32:46.400 --> 00:32:48.920
villain getting stabbed in the stomach, was literally copied by

635
00:32:48.920 --> 00:32:52.160
the animators. Other moments were inspired by fight scenes in

636
00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:57.079
the Adventures of robin Hood nineteen thirty eight. A little

637
00:32:57.160 --> 00:33:00.759
robin Hood in there? Yeah for sure? Was that Errol Flynn? Yes?

638
00:33:00.799 --> 00:33:01.119
That one?

639
00:33:01.240 --> 00:33:07.799
Yeah, Okay, Time to move on to Swiss Cheese and

640
00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:10.440
Complaints Apartment. And why don't we call the Swiss.

641
00:33:10.200 --> 00:33:13.920
Cheese because although this movie is delicious, it does have

642
00:33:14.039 --> 00:33:18.680
farmhouse mouseholes, yes, and it doesn't have those farmhouse mouseholes.

643
00:33:18.680 --> 00:33:20.920
We just file a complaint with the Complaints Apartment. So

644
00:33:20.920 --> 00:33:23.680
what do we have for Swiss cheese complaints in this Well,

645
00:33:23.960 --> 00:33:26.279
in the beginning, this is just super nitpicky. I was like,

646
00:33:26.359 --> 00:33:30.720
apparently anti Shrew isn't too concerned about our poor sick Timothy.

647
00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:34.680
She visits the Brisbee home and there's some interaction between

648
00:33:34.720 --> 00:33:37.400
her and the eldest son, Martin, who doesn't care for

649
00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:40.839
her too much. But Shrue is very Shrewish, and she's

650
00:33:41.000 --> 00:33:42.519
just warning them that they're going to have to get out,

651
00:33:42.519 --> 00:33:44.880
they got to move, but she gets tangled up with

652
00:33:44.920 --> 00:33:47.039
the kids and then just takes off, and they're trying

653
00:33:47.039 --> 00:33:49.799
to tell her that Tim is sick, but she doesn't

654
00:33:49.799 --> 00:33:53.759
seem to be affected by It's like there's a kid

655
00:33:53.759 --> 00:33:56.000
with the pneumonia and they're like if they call her

656
00:33:56.039 --> 00:33:57.799
anti shrew. I think that was the problem I had.

657
00:33:57.839 --> 00:34:00.200
I was just like, if she's anti shru, shouldn't she

658
00:34:00.359 --> 00:34:03.359
be a little more concerned about the sick boy.

659
00:34:03.559 --> 00:34:05.720
I don't know, you would think so, or she'd even

660
00:34:05.799 --> 00:34:07.240
knew that he was sick to begin with.

661
00:34:07.480 --> 00:34:07.920
Mm hmm.

662
00:34:08.119 --> 00:34:09.960
And that whole warning system, they didn't have been a

663
00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:13.000
lot of time. That was basically the next day the pole.

664
00:34:12.840 --> 00:34:15.559
Started, right, Yeah, that was quick.

665
00:34:15.639 --> 00:34:18.719
Who could pack up their place and overnight and get

666
00:34:18.719 --> 00:34:19.360
that stuff out?

667
00:34:19.639 --> 00:34:21.320
I thought about that too. That's interesting. That was in

668
00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:22.760
the back of my mind. When you see all the

669
00:34:22.800 --> 00:34:26.800
other creatures running away, you have I failed to mention

670
00:34:26.840 --> 00:34:28.920
that during that action sequence, it's great to see all

671
00:34:28.920 --> 00:34:32.760
the rabbits, the bunnies, the squirrels, the birds flying out

672
00:34:32.800 --> 00:34:34.840
of the fields, like, oh, they're just abandoning their homes.

673
00:34:34.840 --> 00:34:37.079
They got to leave it all behind, no time to move.

674
00:34:37.360 --> 00:34:39.599
So, speaking of animals, I couldn't figure this out either.

675
00:34:40.119 --> 00:34:43.719
Why could some talk and some couldn't, Like we understand

676
00:34:43.760 --> 00:34:48.719
why the rats of nim could speak, that's explained, But

677
00:34:49.400 --> 00:34:52.679
why does Missus Prisby speak. I can understand maybe why

678
00:34:52.719 --> 00:34:56.760
the kids speak because they're from Jonathan, but Anti Shrew

679
00:34:56.920 --> 00:34:59.679
why can't she speak? But then rabbits can't. The great

680
00:34:59.679 --> 00:35:03.159
alcol Jeremy can. All the other animals in the field,

681
00:35:03.199 --> 00:35:04.639
they don't seem to have that ability.

682
00:35:04.760 --> 00:35:07.519
No, they're just like squeaking and squawking. How did all

683
00:35:07.519 --> 00:35:09.880
that work? You bring up a great point. I'm glad

684
00:35:09.920 --> 00:35:12.719
you said that, because it's the problem again, the magic

685
00:35:12.840 --> 00:35:15.760
in this movie. I don't understand. It's one thing to

686
00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:19.880
have a conceit where you're watching a kid's animated film

687
00:35:19.920 --> 00:35:22.880
where the animals talk, of course, right, yeah, Like you

688
00:35:23.000 --> 00:35:25.159
just go and that's kind of what you expect. But

689
00:35:25.199 --> 00:35:26.920
then when some can and some can't, and then you

690
00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:29.039
learn that there are rats that were injected with some

691
00:35:29.039 --> 00:35:33.760
special concoction that made them of higher intelligence, then you're like, oh,

692
00:35:33.800 --> 00:35:37.679
that would be cool if that's why they can talk.

693
00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:42.679
They can actually speak English because they were given this

694
00:35:42.760 --> 00:35:45.920
special injection. And then they would have to explain why

695
00:35:45.960 --> 00:35:49.159
missus Brisbee also can speak, but maybe she didn't not

696
00:35:49.239 --> 00:35:50.719
you know, you could come up with some other things,

697
00:35:51.199 --> 00:35:52.880
but I thought that's what they were going to go with.

698
00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:56.159
They were going in that direction as to why they

699
00:35:56.199 --> 00:35:59.840
could talk when I saw that some of them couldn't.

700
00:36:00.679 --> 00:36:01.800
Yeah, dragging can talk.

701
00:36:02.800 --> 00:36:04.119
Yeah yeah.

702
00:36:04.639 --> 00:36:07.559
Honestly, it didn't bother me. But when the movie's over

703
00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:09.599
and then you think about it, why was it that way?

704
00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:11.880
It should have just been the mice in the rats

705
00:36:12.480 --> 00:36:13.639
and that kind of should have been it.

706
00:36:14.039 --> 00:36:17.760
Right, Speaking of things happening quickly, at the end, when

707
00:36:18.519 --> 00:36:22.480
the rats, led by Nicodemus and Justin, decide to help

708
00:36:22.559 --> 00:36:26.639
missus Brisbee move her home, they moved super quickly. They

709
00:36:26.800 --> 00:36:30.199
designed and built an entire pulley system in order to

710
00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:33.760
move the Brisbee cinder block home. It seems like ours,

711
00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:37.440
it's just really quick. I'm like, wow, they have an

712
00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:39.320
entire pulley system.

713
00:36:39.880 --> 00:36:42.920
Well, it seemed weird because I think it almost seemed

714
00:36:42.960 --> 00:36:44.599
like they were moving it from one side of that

715
00:36:44.679 --> 00:36:47.760
rock to the other side, right, which made me think,

716
00:36:48.000 --> 00:36:50.119
why are you even on that first side to begin with?

717
00:36:50.159 --> 00:36:52.880
If you know the pliole comes every year, mm hmm.

718
00:36:53.800 --> 00:36:56.519
If everybody knows the pile comes, it's like living in

719
00:36:56.519 --> 00:36:58.360
California and like, oh, you know, what, I'm gonna build

720
00:36:58.400 --> 00:37:03.960
my house right on the fault line and take my chances.

721
00:37:03.679 --> 00:37:06.559
Right, or you know in California there's mudslides, so you

722
00:37:06.719 --> 00:37:09.440
just put your house right. Yeah, I'm going to put

723
00:37:09.440 --> 00:37:11.719
my house at the foot of the mountain on the cliff, yeah.

724
00:37:11.800 --> 00:37:13.480
Or yeah, I'm gonna put my house right by the

725
00:37:13.559 --> 00:37:18.039
river that always overflows. Move somewhere where you don't have

726
00:37:18.119 --> 00:37:20.199
to worry about the great move every year.

727
00:37:20.639 --> 00:37:23.559
Kind of a major inconvenience. So yeah, I'm glad you

728
00:37:23.599 --> 00:37:25.719
brought that up too, because it seemed like that was

729
00:37:25.760 --> 00:37:28.320
a big deal. The Great Owl says to miss Brisbee,

730
00:37:28.800 --> 00:37:32.480
go back, talk to Nicodemus and the rats, and move

731
00:37:32.599 --> 00:37:35.159
to the lee of the stone. And I'm like, well,

732
00:37:35.159 --> 00:37:37.000
that sounds cool. What the hell does that mean? So

733
00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:40.039
I had to look it up, and lee means a

734
00:37:40.079 --> 00:37:44.400
protected downwind area. It acts as a metaphor for safety

735
00:37:44.440 --> 00:37:47.559
and shelter, so it refers to the sheltered space behind

736
00:37:47.559 --> 00:37:51.320
a large anchored stone, the lee of the stone. And

737
00:37:51.400 --> 00:37:53.239
so it's like, I thought the lee of the stone

738
00:37:53.320 --> 00:37:55.480
was some other magical place like where she was going

739
00:37:55.559 --> 00:37:58.000
to move, and you're right, then, it's just no, it's

740
00:37:58.039 --> 00:38:01.320
the other side of the stone where there's right. It's

741
00:38:01.360 --> 00:38:03.840
nothing special. It's just the lee of the stone on

742
00:38:03.920 --> 00:38:05.679
the other side, the sheltered side.

743
00:38:05.440 --> 00:38:08.079
Which made me think too, they live in a cinder block.

744
00:38:08.079 --> 00:38:11.119
I don't even think it's that big for mice to

745
00:38:11.159 --> 00:38:11.639
begin with.

746
00:38:11.920 --> 00:38:14.400
That's actually a good point. Yeah.

747
00:38:14.440 --> 00:38:17.360
But if I'm the farmer and I'm gonna plow my field,

748
00:38:17.679 --> 00:38:19.599
this is the first thing they do is walk the

749
00:38:19.639 --> 00:38:22.320
field to see if there's stuff like cinder blocks in

750
00:38:22.360 --> 00:38:24.559
there to dig it out. So when I drive my

751
00:38:24.679 --> 00:38:27.000
plow over it, I'm not wrecking my plow.

752
00:38:27.599 --> 00:38:30.599
Man, you just hit another thing. I was thinking about

753
00:38:30.599 --> 00:38:33.119
putting this and make the big fears that the plow

754
00:38:33.239 --> 00:38:35.880
is going to destroy their home, and I'm going you

755
00:38:35.920 --> 00:38:38.239
live in a cinder block, it's going to destroy the

756
00:38:38.320 --> 00:38:39.440
plow if anything.

757
00:38:40.119 --> 00:38:43.719
Yeah, it's just going to turn it. Yeah, I'm gonna

758
00:38:43.719 --> 00:38:44.639
get to my big complaint.

759
00:38:44.920 --> 00:38:45.639
Yeah. I know.

760
00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:48.039
In Leath a Weapon, I talked about how much I

761
00:38:48.079 --> 00:38:51.320
did not like that final closing song. Oh my god,

762
00:38:51.679 --> 00:38:53.880
this one blows it away. This is gonna be one

763
00:38:53.920 --> 00:38:56.880
of the worst final credit songs ever. And even the

764
00:38:56.920 --> 00:38:59.400
other song in this movie is not good either. It

765
00:38:59.440 --> 00:39:02.440
almost remined finds me of Willie Welcome to Chocolate Factory.

766
00:39:02.559 --> 00:39:05.519
Uh huh the cheer Up Charlie song. I always skip

767
00:39:05.559 --> 00:39:07.440
that scene in the movie, and I was like, oh

768
00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:10.119
my god, this is like it's cousin song. When she's

769
00:39:10.159 --> 00:39:13.480
feeding Timmy the medicine and there's that song playing, I'm like,

770
00:39:13.519 --> 00:39:16.000
this song is awful. It's in it's and then I

771
00:39:16.039 --> 00:39:17.920
was like, I can't get any worse than this, But nope,

772
00:39:18.000 --> 00:39:21.159
when the closing credits come on, that song is twenty

773
00:39:21.239 --> 00:39:24.960
times worse. That's definitely now the worst closing credits songs

774
00:39:25.000 --> 00:39:27.360
I've heard from an eighties movie.

775
00:39:28.400 --> 00:39:31.280
You nailed it. It's off putting, to say the least.

776
00:39:31.719 --> 00:39:34.920
I know it's supposed to be fairy tale esque and

777
00:39:35.000 --> 00:39:37.679
to have that vibe and feeling it just makes me

778
00:39:37.719 --> 00:39:41.679
think of Princess Bride, which is great because that's Mark Knopfler.

779
00:39:41.960 --> 00:39:45.039
And then it also makes me think of another movie

780
00:39:45.079 --> 00:39:48.320
like this where it's fantastical and mystical or is a

781
00:39:48.400 --> 00:39:52.079
legend with Tom Cruise and Tim Curry, and that movie

782
00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:55.199
has some weird lyrical music too, but I think it's

783
00:39:55.239 --> 00:39:58.119
John Anderson from Yes does some one of the songs

784
00:39:58.119 --> 00:40:01.000
in that and it's actually okay, but it's does this fit?

785
00:40:01.519 --> 00:40:03.559
Does this feel like it belongs here?

786
00:40:03.960 --> 00:40:07.639
It's may you want something catchy? It was catchy. You're

787
00:40:07.639 --> 00:40:10.960
not gonna sing this. It's not memorable for the movie.

788
00:40:11.320 --> 00:40:13.679
Maybe just caught up in the Disney trap, because there's

789
00:40:13.719 --> 00:40:17.199
always there's always those great memorable songs from a Disney.

790
00:40:17.400 --> 00:40:19.400
It's another great point, So you'd.

791
00:40:19.159 --> 00:40:22.159
Think he would have done that for this. You know what,

792
00:40:22.239 --> 00:40:25.000
not only may do better animation than you're doing right now, Disney.

793
00:40:25.039 --> 00:40:27.760
I'm gonna put in a better song animation, yes, from

794
00:40:27.800 --> 00:40:30.360
what Disney was doing at the time. Definitely better animation.

795
00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:34.800
Music not so much. I got one more complaint.

796
00:40:35.159 --> 00:40:39.760
Oh go ahead. Jeremy the Crow completely disappears for the

797
00:40:39.800 --> 00:40:42.719
third act finale or finales if you will. There's the

798
00:40:42.760 --> 00:40:46.280
sword fight, there's the raising the house from the mud,

799
00:40:46.679 --> 00:40:50.880
all of that. Before that happens, we do see missus

800
00:40:50.880 --> 00:40:55.559
Brisbee talk to Jeremy, who was kind of swimming underwater

801
00:40:55.599 --> 00:40:59.039
in disguise under the lily pads, and then she says,

802
00:40:59.159 --> 00:41:01.760
go get a ton of string. I want you to

803
00:41:01.760 --> 00:41:03.760
get more string. Go get a bunch of string, and

804
00:41:03.840 --> 00:41:06.519
he takes off like he's on a mission. Great, and

805
00:41:06.519 --> 00:41:09.119
then this whole thing happens. And I was waiting for

806
00:41:09.239 --> 00:41:11.159
Jeremy to show up at some point with either the

807
00:41:11.239 --> 00:41:13.519
string to help pull something or do something with it.

808
00:41:13.800 --> 00:41:16.079
But I just thought he would appear at some point

809
00:41:16.280 --> 00:41:20.880
for some reason, to even clumsily help things along. He's

810
00:41:21.199 --> 00:41:24.599
literally does not show up until the very end of

811
00:41:24.599 --> 00:41:25.760
the movie, just gone.

812
00:41:26.280 --> 00:41:29.039
It is very weird how characters come in and out

813
00:41:29.079 --> 00:41:31.039
of this film.

814
00:41:31.079 --> 00:41:33.719
He's the comic relief. It gets really dark at the end.

815
00:41:33.719 --> 00:41:35.320
Maybe that's why they didn't they took him out.

816
00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:37.400
I don't know how do you bring him back in

817
00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:40.599
for that moment, but he should have been in there somehow. See,

818
00:41:40.599 --> 00:41:43.440
that would be perfect. You somehow bring Dragon back and

819
00:41:43.599 --> 00:41:47.239
Jeremy comes in somehow and gets dragging out of the

820
00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:49.599
picture so they can try to complete their task with

821
00:41:49.679 --> 00:41:50.639
saving the brisbee.

822
00:41:50.960 --> 00:41:53.880
Oh, that's a great call. That's a great as if

823
00:41:54.039 --> 00:41:57.400
Dragon wakes up, Yes, he wasn't drugged enough. He wakes

824
00:41:57.480 --> 00:41:59.000
up in the middle of thing and then goes after

825
00:41:59.039 --> 00:42:01.400
them as they're trying to get the cinder block out

826
00:42:01.440 --> 00:42:05.039
of the mud, and Jeremy has to run interference and

827
00:42:05.559 --> 00:42:07.760
fight off Dragon. Oh. That would have been great.

828
00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:09.559
I'm sure they had that written now, it just wasn't

829
00:42:09.599 --> 00:42:10.119
in the budget.

830
00:42:10.360 --> 00:42:12.280
Yeah, yeah, they didn't have a lot of money to

831
00:42:12.320 --> 00:42:13.519
work with, as it turns.

832
00:42:13.239 --> 00:42:15.840
Out, all right, I want to move on to Hey,

833
00:42:16.159 --> 00:42:19.639
that's that actor case probably a voice actor in this

834
00:42:19.679 --> 00:42:22.400
segment with Spotlight, a character actor you have seen in

835
00:42:22.480 --> 00:42:25.039
many other films, an actor making their big screen debut,

836
00:42:25.159 --> 00:42:27.840
or an actor that makes an uncredited cameo's Hey, it's

837
00:42:27.840 --> 00:42:28.320
that actor.

838
00:42:28.519 --> 00:42:31.719
Who do we choose this week? This week for our

839
00:42:31.960 --> 00:42:36.800
Hey it's that actor, we went with John Kerodine, John Carodine,

840
00:42:36.800 --> 00:42:42.320
who voices the Great Owl, classic actor from Poughkeepsie, New York,

841
00:42:42.440 --> 00:42:44.840
known for his deep baritone voice, and it is great

842
00:42:45.079 --> 00:42:46.639
in this as the Great Owl, known as one of

843
00:42:46.679 --> 00:42:50.000
the great character actors in American cinema, actually did voice

844
00:42:50.079 --> 00:42:52.559
work all the way back in the late nineteen twenties

845
00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:55.320
for Cecil B. De Mill. He was a protege and

846
00:42:55.320 --> 00:42:57.679
close friend of John Barrymore, was then a prolific film

847
00:42:57.719 --> 00:43:00.480
actor and later on typecast is a horror film star

848
00:43:00.559 --> 00:43:03.000
and low budget and ultra low budget horror films. He

849
00:43:03.039 --> 00:43:04.760
was a member of the group of actors often used

850
00:43:04.760 --> 00:43:08.360
by John Ford that became known as the john Ford

851
00:43:08.400 --> 00:43:12.119
Stock Company. His IMDb filmography goes all the way back

852
00:43:12.159 --> 00:43:14.559
to nineteen thirty and between. Then in the eighties, he's

853
00:43:14.599 --> 00:43:17.719
known for classic films such as The Grapes of Wrath, Stagecoach,

854
00:43:17.800 --> 00:43:19.719
The Ten Commandments. He plays a role in one of

855
00:43:19.719 --> 00:43:22.639
my favorite Danny k movies, The Court Jester in nineteen

856
00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:25.119
fifty five. But during the eighties he was featured in

857
00:43:25.239 --> 00:43:28.440
these notables, The Boogeyman from nineteen eighty, The Howling in

858
00:43:28.519 --> 00:43:31.239
eighty one, The Nesting also in eighty one. He's the

859
00:43:31.320 --> 00:43:34.119
Supreme Commander in Bill Band's favorite movie of all time,

860
00:43:34.159 --> 00:43:37.039
The Ice Pirates nineteen eighty four. He plays a character

861
00:43:37.119 --> 00:43:39.679
named Leo in Peggy Sue Got Married, which we also

862
00:43:39.719 --> 00:43:42.159
did on this very podcast. That film was from eighty six.

863
00:43:42.639 --> 00:43:44.480
And then I just wanted to say the title of

864
00:43:44.519 --> 00:43:49.039
this film, The Adventures of Tora prison Ship Star Slammer,

865
00:43:49.320 --> 00:43:51.440
that was also in nineteen eighty six. You gotta look

866
00:43:51.480 --> 00:43:54.440
that one up, look at the cover. It's great. He

867
00:43:54.480 --> 00:43:58.440
played Count Dracula in four films. House of Frankenstein from

868
00:43:58.480 --> 00:44:00.920
forty four, House of Dracula from forty five, Billy the

869
00:44:01.000 --> 00:44:05.159
Kid Versus Dracula in sixty six and Nocturna in seventy nine.

870
00:44:05.760 --> 00:44:08.719
Father to five sons, three of which at least I

871
00:44:08.719 --> 00:44:10.800
think there's four of them were actors. You'll know these

872
00:44:10.840 --> 00:44:15.079
three for sure. His sons David Carodine, Robert Carodine from

873
00:44:15.239 --> 00:44:19.000
Revenge of the Nerds RIP, and Keith Carody. One of

874
00:44:19.039 --> 00:44:23.119
his grandchildren is actress Martha Plimpton, who's featured in some

875
00:44:23.159 --> 00:44:27.440
of our favorite eighties flicks. John Carodine passed away from

876
00:44:27.480 --> 00:44:30.119
natural causes in nineteen eighty eight at age eighty two.

877
00:44:30.400 --> 00:44:33.800
Dig Yeah, great voice as the great Al. He was

878
00:44:33.800 --> 00:44:35.800
great as a great al. Okay, move it on to

879
00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:38.239
facts and trivia. What are some facts and trivia we

880
00:44:38.320 --> 00:44:39.760
have about the secret of them?

881
00:44:40.719 --> 00:44:43.440
Let's see here. This was a seem to be a

882
00:44:43.480 --> 00:44:48.320
popular fun fact during the film's production. Aurora, which was

883
00:44:48.480 --> 00:44:50.519
I believe is that they're one of the production companies.

884
00:44:51.039 --> 00:44:56.559
Roora contacted the company Whammo, the manufacturers of Frisbee flying discs,

885
00:44:56.639 --> 00:45:00.639
with concerns about possible trademark infringements if the Misses Frisbee

886
00:45:00.960 --> 00:45:04.000
name from O'Brien's original book was used in the film.

887
00:45:04.039 --> 00:45:07.400
Wammo rejected Aurora's request for Waiver to use the same

888
00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:11.159
sounding name to their Frisbee in the film. Aurora informed

889
00:45:11.199 --> 00:45:14.000
Bluth in Company that Missus Frisbee's name would have to

890
00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:16.559
be altered, but by then the voice work had already

891
00:45:16.559 --> 00:45:18.320
been recorded for the film, so the name changed to

892
00:45:18.840 --> 00:45:23.440
Missus Brisbee necessitated a combination of re recording some lines,

893
00:45:23.719 --> 00:45:27.920
and because John Carradine was unavailable for further recordings, careful

894
00:45:28.079 --> 00:45:31.320
sound editing had to be performed, taking the B sound

895
00:45:31.639 --> 00:45:35.239
out of another word from Carrodine's recorded lines and replaced

896
00:45:35.280 --> 00:45:38.360
the F sound with the B sound, altering the name

897
00:45:38.400 --> 00:45:40.880
from Frisbee to Brisbee. Wow.

898
00:45:40.960 --> 00:45:44.519
So the film was famously produced out of don blues

899
00:45:44.679 --> 00:45:47.880
garage or a shoe string budget so tight that the

900
00:45:47.920 --> 00:45:51.960
final stretch was financed by Bluth, Gary Goldman, and John

901
00:45:52.360 --> 00:45:57.079
Pomperroy mortgaging their homes so to achieve the level animation

902
00:45:57.239 --> 00:46:00.280
quality they were striving for. The team rucine Lely were

903
00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:04.320
grueling sixteen hour days, often bringing work home just to

904
00:46:04.400 --> 00:46:05.679
keep pace crazy.

905
00:46:05.920 --> 00:46:08.880
This was Jerry Goldsmith's first music score for an animated movie.

906
00:46:08.920 --> 00:46:11.239
He later said it was among his personal favorites. He

907
00:46:11.360 --> 00:46:16.039
was instrumental in introducing the movie to Steven Spielberg, who

908
00:46:16.119 --> 00:46:19.400
went on to work with Don Bluth on An American

909
00:46:19.440 --> 00:46:22.400
Tale in eighty six. According to Bluth and Gary Goldman

910
00:46:22.400 --> 00:46:25.400
in their DVD commentary, Goldsmith so loved the movie that

911
00:46:25.440 --> 00:46:28.800
he volunteered in extra three weeks to polish and refine

912
00:46:28.840 --> 00:46:32.000
the score, even though he was not contractually obligated to

913
00:46:32.039 --> 00:46:32.400
do so.

914
00:46:32.559 --> 00:46:36.280
According to Don Blue's biography, early versions of the Secret

915
00:46:36.320 --> 00:46:38.760
of Nim looked very different from the final film. An

916
00:46:38.760 --> 00:46:42.480
initial draft stayed much closer to Missus Frisbee and the

917
00:46:42.559 --> 00:46:45.880
Rats of Nim, while a later script by Stephen Barnes

918
00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:49.039
introduced major changes. In this early draft, the scientists from

919
00:46:49.119 --> 00:46:52.360
Nim's played a much larger role, with the story cutting

920
00:46:52.400 --> 00:46:55.159
back and forth between them and the animals. There was

921
00:46:55.239 --> 00:46:59.440
even discussions of making one scientist a central villain balanced

922
00:46:59.440 --> 00:47:03.199
by a more sympathetic good scientist, a concept that was

923
00:47:03.480 --> 00:47:07.280
ultimately scaled back to a brief flashback and mostly offscreen presence.

924
00:47:07.320 --> 00:47:10.199
In the finished film, Missus Brisbee herself was written as

925
00:47:10.280 --> 00:47:14.000
even more openly emotional, and the character Isabelle from the

926
00:47:14.000 --> 00:47:16.639
book was included rather than being removed.

927
00:47:16.880 --> 00:47:17.559
In the adaptation.

928
00:47:18.079 --> 00:47:21.559
One planned sequence had dragged the cat attacking the Brisbee home,

929
00:47:21.719 --> 00:47:24.559
after which mister Ages and Justin would explain to the

930
00:47:24.639 --> 00:47:27.840
children what happened to their father. The climax was also

931
00:47:28.119 --> 00:47:32.639
far more grounded. Instead of a mystical resolution involving the amulet,

932
00:47:32.840 --> 00:47:36.440
one version had nim gassing the Rats home, forcing a

933
00:47:36.519 --> 00:47:40.960
desperate escape. Another concept centered on Brisbee making a literal

934
00:47:41.079 --> 00:47:44.400
leap of faith across a deadly chasm, with her children

935
00:47:44.679 --> 00:47:48.960
succeeding only because of the encouragement Justin had given her earlier,

936
00:47:49.159 --> 00:47:53.440
making courage rather than magic the driving force behind the ending.

937
00:47:53.800 --> 00:47:56.199
Yeah, it's interesting you talk about that. You can read

938
00:47:56.239 --> 00:47:58.719
it on it. The changes they made from the book

939
00:47:58.719 --> 00:48:02.880
and then beyond kind of explain my issues with this.

940
00:48:02.960 --> 00:48:07.719
With the fantastic they added that fantastical magical quality gener's

941
00:48:07.840 --> 00:48:09.880
character too. I think you know, either was bigger or

942
00:48:09.920 --> 00:48:13.360
smaller from the book. But the changes they made were like, Okay,

943
00:48:13.519 --> 00:48:16.000
that's why it feels a little separate from everything else,

944
00:48:16.760 --> 00:48:18.800
or we just have a lot of questions as to

945
00:48:18.840 --> 00:48:20.440
why it's there or how it works.

946
00:48:20.719 --> 00:48:23.440
Great because they just don't explain why it happens.

947
00:48:23.679 --> 00:48:26.360
Yeah, and it wasn't in the book that makes sense.

948
00:48:26.480 --> 00:48:29.840
The movie also heralds a return to using the multiplane

949
00:48:29.920 --> 00:48:35.039
camera for scenes requiring depth, especially Nicodemus's magic hologram, and

950
00:48:35.079 --> 00:48:38.239
in the opening sequence, where with the aid of backlit animation,

951
00:48:38.320 --> 00:48:41.639
the wise old rat beckens magic vapors from an ink

952
00:48:41.719 --> 00:48:43.719
well to grace the pages of an ancient book with

953
00:48:43.800 --> 00:48:46.719
fiery gold lettering. Last, but not least, there are more

954
00:48:46.760 --> 00:48:50.079
than six hundred colors used in this movie. One character,

955
00:48:50.480 --> 00:48:54.760
chemist Mouse mister Ages has twenty six colors.

956
00:48:54.760 --> 00:48:59.320
Wow, that's cool. Yeah, can move on to box office.

957
00:48:59.360 --> 00:49:02.559
So The Secret of Dim hit theaters on July second,

958
00:49:02.639 --> 00:49:06.719
nineteen eighty two, opening in only eighty eight locations. With

959
00:49:06.760 --> 00:49:09.679
an estimated budget of seven million dollars, The movie pulled

960
00:49:09.679 --> 00:49:13.119
in fourteen point six million across North America. It opened

961
00:49:13.159 --> 00:49:15.920
in the seventeenth spot at the box office and never

962
00:49:16.159 --> 00:49:18.679
entered the top ten. It didn't help that Disney had

963
00:49:18.719 --> 00:49:21.519
released Bamby on the same day, which opened in seven

964
00:49:21.599 --> 00:49:24.519
hundred and fifty theaters and made close to two million

965
00:49:24.559 --> 00:49:27.800
dollars that week. Nim's biggest grossing week was on its

966
00:49:27.840 --> 00:49:30.039
third week of release, when it was in seven hundred

967
00:49:30.079 --> 00:49:33.519
theaters and pulled in one point four million in ticket sales.

968
00:49:33.599 --> 00:49:36.239
By the end of its run, it became the sixty

969
00:49:36.440 --> 00:49:39.719
eighth highest grossing movie of nineteen eighty two. Then, moving

970
00:49:39.760 --> 00:49:41.400
on to reviews. From growing up in the eighties, we

971
00:49:41.440 --> 00:49:44.079
would watch sneak previews with Gene Siskel and Roger Ebert

972
00:49:44.119 --> 00:49:46.719
to hear the reviews and watch clips of upcoming movies.

973
00:49:46.960 --> 00:49:49.880
Their review of The Secret of Dim was unanimous two

974
00:49:50.119 --> 00:49:52.559
thumbs up. Gene wasn't a big fan of the opening

975
00:49:52.559 --> 00:49:55.519
of the movie or the main character, but once the

976
00:49:55.519 --> 00:49:59.360
movie explored the world of the rats, things really picked up.

977
00:49:59.599 --> 00:50:02.840
Roger impressed with the movie's depth, depth of characters, and

978
00:50:02.920 --> 00:50:06.079
depth of animation. Rotten Tomatoes is it a Tomato Meter

979
00:50:06.159 --> 00:50:09.079
score of ninety three percent? What's the Popcorn Meter score

980
00:50:09.079 --> 00:50:12.320
of eighty six percent? It also has an IMDb rating

981
00:50:12.440 --> 00:50:15.440
of seven point five. So this brings us to additional

982
00:50:15.440 --> 00:50:17.679
thoughts and questions. Do we have any additional thoughts in

983
00:50:17.840 --> 00:50:21.119
questions about the secretive nim Yeah, I've got a few

984
00:50:21.199 --> 00:50:21.960
for you, okay.

985
00:50:22.199 --> 00:50:23.840
In the very beginning of the film, after the cold

986
00:50:23.880 --> 00:50:27.239
open with Nicodemus, we're introduced to mister Ages. He's inside

987
00:50:27.320 --> 00:50:29.519
this piece of this giant piece of farm equipment that's

988
00:50:29.559 --> 00:50:31.760
sitting out in the field. What is he working on?

989
00:50:31.840 --> 00:50:35.079
In the beginning, he's clearly inside the equipment. We learned

990
00:50:35.119 --> 00:50:37.079
later on that he's one of the two mice that

991
00:50:37.239 --> 00:50:41.960
survived the nim experiments and got out. So he's highly intelligent,

992
00:50:42.280 --> 00:50:44.920
we learned later. So it kind of makes sense looking back.

993
00:50:44.960 --> 00:50:48.840
But is he using his intelligence for that medicine preparation,

994
00:50:49.079 --> 00:50:52.960
or alchemy or the power that he has because he

995
00:50:52.960 --> 00:50:55.960
seems to live inside that equipment right his home is

996
00:50:56.000 --> 00:50:59.480
down inside that farming tool.

997
00:50:59.760 --> 00:51:03.480
I got a little confused. I initially thought he was

998
00:51:03.599 --> 00:51:07.280
in the plow trying to sabotage it so it wouldn't

999
00:51:07.320 --> 00:51:10.000
be ready. But then I'm like, why would you have

1000
00:51:10.039 --> 00:51:12.920
all that stuff in there if the plow is going

1001
00:51:13.000 --> 00:51:15.519
to happen soon and then you would lose everything, So

1002
00:51:16.280 --> 00:51:18.599
he must be in a different machine.

1003
00:51:19.079 --> 00:51:21.159
Yeah, and then what he's doing.

1004
00:51:21.119 --> 00:51:23.440
I have no idea, but yeah, maybe it is for

1005
00:51:23.519 --> 00:51:26.280
the exodus to the was that thorn valley they were

1006
00:51:26.320 --> 00:51:29.400
going to go to correct Maybe he was working on

1007
00:51:29.400 --> 00:51:31.679
our power source once they moved. That's the only thing

1008
00:51:31.679 --> 00:51:34.000
I could think of. I think he did reference like

1009
00:51:34.039 --> 00:51:34.679
something big.

1010
00:51:35.159 --> 00:51:37.360
Yep, yep, must be what it is?

1011
00:51:37.360 --> 00:51:40.199
There you go the power source for what they're going

1012
00:51:40.199 --> 00:51:40.880
to survive on.

1013
00:51:41.159 --> 00:51:44.280
Okay, well that leads to my next question, the good segue,

1014
00:51:44.320 --> 00:51:47.639
because do we need to see Thorn Valley at the end.

1015
00:51:47.760 --> 00:51:50.239
This is what it's all leading up to, all building

1016
00:51:50.320 --> 00:51:53.079
up to, is this exodus to Thorn Valley where the

1017
00:51:53.199 --> 00:51:55.480
rats are going to go. We don't ever see it,

1018
00:51:55.880 --> 00:51:59.039
and we don't know what they're going to do or

1019
00:51:59.079 --> 00:52:01.079
how they're going to survive once they get there.

1020
00:52:01.480 --> 00:52:05.320
I was interested to see where Thorn Valley was because

1021
00:52:05.360 --> 00:52:07.280
it was like it'd be hilarious. It's really just on

1022
00:52:07.360 --> 00:52:09.679
the outskirts of the farm. It's just some little if

1023
00:52:09.719 --> 00:52:11.360
It also is on just on the other side of

1024
00:52:11.360 --> 00:52:15.800
the stone. Yeah, I did want to see it, but

1025
00:52:15.920 --> 00:52:18.639
I didn't think it was necessary to see it. Okay,

1026
00:52:19.079 --> 00:52:21.840
we've mentioned Dragon's lay Are tons of times throughout this.

1027
00:52:22.280 --> 00:52:25.039
Did you ever finish the game? I never did. I

1028
00:52:25.119 --> 00:52:29.440
never completed it. I believe I've watched the gameplay on

1029
00:52:29.480 --> 00:52:33.199
a YouTube video so I could see what happens somebody

1030
00:52:33.239 --> 00:52:36.079
playing it live and they finish it. But no, did

1031
00:52:36.159 --> 00:52:38.360
you win the game? Had you gotten through it? Yes,

1032
00:52:38.440 --> 00:52:41.159
I have. I remember the first time I saw someone

1033
00:52:41.199 --> 00:52:43.519
beat it. I was in Atlantic City and there was

1034
00:52:43.559 --> 00:52:45.840
this place, oh god, I think it was called Ocean One.

1035
00:52:46.079 --> 00:52:48.039
They actually had the game on a big screen so

1036
00:52:48.079 --> 00:52:51.440
people could gather around and watch, and some kid had

1037
00:52:51.519 --> 00:52:54.360
finished it, and maybe it was like fifty people watching

1038
00:52:54.400 --> 00:52:56.119
this kid finish the game. So I was the first

1039
00:52:56.119 --> 00:53:00.599
time I saw the ending. All it is is memorization, right.

1040
00:53:00.719 --> 00:53:05.880
I think there's maybe twenty six different animated scenes, and

1041
00:53:05.920 --> 00:53:08.119
then it does them reverse. So once you learn how

1042
00:53:08.119 --> 00:53:09.679
to do it, the one way all you got to

1043
00:53:09.679 --> 00:53:12.280
do is just reverse on the on the other side,

1044
00:53:12.280 --> 00:53:13.920
and then when you get to the final scene with

1045
00:53:14.000 --> 00:53:18.159
the Princess Daphne, that's yeah, it's really not that hard.

1046
00:53:18.400 --> 00:53:20.360
It's just, yeah, you just have to put the time

1047
00:53:20.400 --> 00:53:23.079
in because I know so he did that Dragon's Layer

1048
00:53:23.119 --> 00:53:26.079
two and then Space Ace and they're more linear. I

1049
00:53:26.119 --> 00:53:29.480
was terrible at those. Yep, that's hard. They just didn't

1050
00:53:29.480 --> 00:53:31.599
seem as fun. It's a kind of a bummer that

1051
00:53:31.679 --> 00:53:34.960
didn't catch on as well. Yeah, but the problem was

1052
00:53:35.039 --> 00:53:38.840
the games were very they were expensive to make, and

1053
00:53:38.880 --> 00:53:41.639
they broke down really easily from because of your everything

1054
00:53:41.679 --> 00:53:45.000
was on a disc record sides discs. Someone hit it

1055
00:53:45.119 --> 00:53:48.039
and knocked it off whack. But yeah, I don't know

1056
00:53:48.039 --> 00:53:51.599
if I ever knew that. Yeah, Yeah, that's that's cool man. Yeah,

1057
00:53:51.679 --> 00:53:54.480
that was during the time it captured my imagination because

1058
00:53:54.519 --> 00:53:57.480
the animation in the game just looked so cool. Oh yeah,

1059
00:53:58.039 --> 00:54:00.679
And I mean that was the first attract. And it's

1060
00:54:00.760 --> 00:54:04.079
like this medieval fun story and your hero is kind

1061
00:54:04.079 --> 00:54:08.639
of goofy but still cool. And on top of it,

1062
00:54:08.639 --> 00:54:11.400
it was during that Choose your Own Adventure phase that

1063
00:54:11.440 --> 00:54:14.400
I was going through reading Choose your Own Adventure books.

1064
00:54:14.440 --> 00:54:17.920
And playing Yes, God, I love those two the text

1065
00:54:18.239 --> 00:54:20.800
Choose your Own Adventure game on Apple two wee and

1066
00:54:20.920 --> 00:54:23.800
was playing Zork. Love that game. I'm waiting for that

1067
00:54:23.920 --> 00:54:25.760
movie to come out. I'm sure it will at some point.

1068
00:54:26.320 --> 00:54:29.199
And because you were just doing you just writing text

1069
00:54:29.360 --> 00:54:33.400
and giving directions and it's just totally left to your imagination,

1070
00:54:33.519 --> 00:54:35.480
dragons Layer had a little bit of that feel like

1071
00:54:35.519 --> 00:54:37.880
you were choosing the direction where your character could go,

1072
00:54:37.960 --> 00:54:39.960
you know, choose or you know the adventure he was

1073
00:54:40.000 --> 00:54:42.239
about to go on. So it had that same kind

1074
00:54:42.320 --> 00:54:43.960
of magical quality to it.

1075
00:54:44.239 --> 00:54:46.440
Yeah, and the fact it kind of randomized, like you

1076
00:54:46.440 --> 00:54:50.119
could play the game ten times and it would take

1077
00:54:50.119 --> 00:54:52.360
you on a journey ten different ways. And I think

1078
00:54:52.360 --> 00:54:54.119
that was kind of fun about it, which is what

1079
00:54:54.199 --> 00:54:57.039
I didn't like about Space Ace or dragons Layer two.

1080
00:54:58.119 --> 00:55:01.760
Right, makes sense. I got a couple more questions real quick. One,

1081
00:55:02.199 --> 00:55:05.840
if Nicodemus could see that Missus Brisbee was in trouble

1082
00:55:05.920 --> 00:55:09.559
after the plow scene, there's a quick scene where you

1083
00:55:09.599 --> 00:55:11.760
have Nicodemus looking through his like what is it called,

1084
00:55:11.760 --> 00:55:14.840
like that hologram, It's like a I don't even know,

1085
00:55:14.920 --> 00:55:16.599
like a looking glass. I don't know what it is.

1086
00:55:16.639 --> 00:55:20.559
But he can see what's happening outside of the rose Bush,

1087
00:55:20.880 --> 00:55:26.400
and he keys in on Missus Brisbee, who is clearly

1088
00:55:26.440 --> 00:55:29.480
in trouble and now has talked to Anti Shrew and

1089
00:55:29.519 --> 00:55:31.280
Auntie Shrew says you need to go talk to the

1090
00:55:31.280 --> 00:55:36.159
Great Owl, and Nicodemus is watching, going, yes, Missus Brisbee,

1091
00:55:36.199 --> 00:55:39.400
go seek the wisdom of the Great Owl and that

1092
00:55:39.480 --> 00:55:42.800
should help you on your journey. And I'm like, hey, Nick,

1093
00:55:43.239 --> 00:55:46.320
why don't you just skip a step and go get her,

1094
00:55:46.599 --> 00:55:50.320
Like you can just leave the Rosebush, go find Missus Brisbee.

1095
00:55:50.679 --> 00:55:53.360
You know that she needs to, like it, just seemed

1096
00:55:53.440 --> 00:55:56.559
though he had this magic eye, this eye and the

1097
00:55:56.599 --> 00:55:58.400
sky kind of thing, and could see what was going

1098
00:55:58.440 --> 00:56:01.079
on with her, and all already knew she was in

1099
00:56:01.119 --> 00:56:03.440
trouble and that eventually she was going to come to

1100
00:56:03.519 --> 00:56:05.840
him as if she It was kind of like almost

1101
00:56:05.880 --> 00:56:08.719
like a prophecies kind of thing where he figured the

1102
00:56:08.760 --> 00:56:12.599
wife of Jonathan Brisbee would eventually come to his doorstep.

1103
00:56:12.840 --> 00:56:14.880
So it was like, if he knows that, why not

1104
00:56:14.960 --> 00:56:17.400
just send some rats out to go retrieve her, get

1105
00:56:17.440 --> 00:56:20.079
her and then find out exactly what it is what

1106
00:56:20.119 --> 00:56:22.639
she needs, which is their help. Does that make sense?

1107
00:56:22.800 --> 00:56:25.440
Yeah, well he should have sawd too that Jenner was

1108
00:56:25.440 --> 00:56:28.639
plot in the kiln, you know, yeah, do you think

1109
00:56:28.679 --> 00:56:29.400
about that too much?

1110
00:56:29.559 --> 00:56:29.760
Yeah?

1111
00:56:30.400 --> 00:56:32.239
A lot of issues going on at that point.

1112
00:56:32.400 --> 00:56:35.159
I had a really simple question for you, Actually, go ahead.

1113
00:56:35.519 --> 00:56:38.159
Do you think the Great Owl, who was really cool?

1114
00:56:38.800 --> 00:56:40.119
Does he look like an owl?

1115
00:56:40.599 --> 00:56:43.800
It was interesting because we meet him and he's covered

1116
00:56:43.840 --> 00:56:49.119
in cobwebs, But would he just sit there and spiders

1117
00:56:49.480 --> 00:56:51.840
spin webs on him that fast during the day and

1118
00:56:51.880 --> 00:56:54.800
then he goes out, eats and repeats the process.

1119
00:56:55.280 --> 00:56:59.559
He looked cool, he looked great. It's just I'm used

1120
00:56:59.599 --> 00:57:02.880
to the the classic look of an owl that has

1121
00:57:03.320 --> 00:57:06.400
kind of a roundish head that you know obviously can turn.

1122
00:57:06.920 --> 00:57:09.760
The toosy pop out. That's who you're looking for. Yeah,

1123
00:57:10.280 --> 00:57:10.840
I expect.

1124
00:57:10.880 --> 00:57:13.480
And he just kind of looked old and curmudgeonly and

1125
00:57:13.519 --> 00:57:15.920
just kind of kind of strange, just covered in hair

1126
00:57:16.000 --> 00:57:17.480
and feathers and webs.

1127
00:57:17.519 --> 00:57:20.159
Like you said, Yeah, he's been around for a while.

1128
00:57:20.159 --> 00:57:21.800
It's got a lot of bones in that, that's for sure.

1129
00:57:22.199 --> 00:57:22.519
Yeah.

1130
00:57:22.599 --> 00:57:25.239
Yeah, Oh, I just got even to miss Brisbee man

1131
00:57:25.280 --> 00:57:27.639
with the name drop god every time she said her

1132
00:57:27.800 --> 00:57:31.639
husband's name, boom. I just got what you needed. That's awesome,

1133
00:57:32.280 --> 00:57:33.840
that's right. Do you know who I am?

1134
00:57:34.599 --> 00:57:38.039
Right? Free steak Dinners for life? That that movie was

1135
00:57:38.079 --> 00:57:40.079
made today? Do you know who I am?

1136
00:57:41.280 --> 00:57:43.800
Jonathan Brisbee's wife, O my house.

1137
00:57:45.440 --> 00:57:47.679
You wouldn't be alive if it wasn't for my husband.

1138
00:57:48.000 --> 00:57:50.400
Ye okay, let's move on to a rating. So on

1139
00:57:50.440 --> 00:57:53.199
a scale of one to five trackers, what do you

1140
00:57:53.199 --> 00:57:53.880
give the secret to?

1141
00:57:53.960 --> 00:57:57.519
Nim? This was tough, Bill Band. I like this movie.

1142
00:57:57.800 --> 00:58:00.360
I'm going to be generous. I'm giving it four tracks.

1143
00:58:01.199 --> 00:58:03.639
I think this is it's a cool movie. You know

1144
00:58:03.639 --> 00:58:05.039
why I'm going to give it for is because I

1145
00:58:05.079 --> 00:58:07.440
think it was an achievement for the time. We didn't

1146
00:58:07.440 --> 00:58:09.960
talk about it in our Fun Facts and Trivia specifically,

1147
00:58:10.000 --> 00:58:12.159
you did touch on it in the very beginning of

1148
00:58:12.199 --> 00:58:15.719
our podcast. The fact is, Don Bluth and several other

1149
00:58:15.760 --> 00:58:19.920
animators literally left Disney and this was to do this

1150
00:58:20.280 --> 00:58:23.199
out of the gate, and they did not have a

1151
00:58:23.280 --> 00:58:27.119
large budget, and Blue took a chance with not only

1152
00:58:27.559 --> 00:58:30.000
you know, changing some stuff from the book clearly, but

1153
00:58:30.079 --> 00:58:33.280
also it was a risk. It is dark in tone.

1154
00:58:33.840 --> 00:58:35.880
They didn't have a lot of money to work with,

1155
00:58:36.519 --> 00:58:39.480
and they did it. The movie's fun, it's entertaining. It

1156
00:58:39.480 --> 00:58:42.320
has a great score by Jerry Goldsmith. There's some rollicking

1157
00:58:42.400 --> 00:58:45.159
adventure to be had. I love the action sequences. It

1158
00:58:45.280 --> 00:58:49.119
is extremely colorful. Dom Delawez is really fun in the

1159
00:58:49.159 --> 00:58:52.199
scenes that he has as Jeremy the Crow. And I

1160
00:58:52.400 --> 00:58:55.719
liked it following Missus Brisbee or Missus Frisbee if you

1161
00:58:55.719 --> 00:58:59.559
will on her journey, love the locations, love me some

1162
00:58:59.599 --> 00:59:02.400
good low or was it a little confusing at times?

1163
00:59:02.480 --> 00:59:05.079
And did it come out of nowhere at times? Yeah?

1164
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It did, but it didn't bother me enough to give

1165
00:59:09.280 --> 00:59:11.119
it a lower rating than for so I'm gonna give

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it for tractors nice.

1167
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I'm gonna give it three and a half. I think

1168
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I probably like this movie now more than I did

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as a kid. I really didn't remember that much going

1170
00:59:20.559 --> 00:59:23.559
back to watch it, and I really had no interest

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00:59:23.760 --> 00:59:26.559
in seeing it. If it wasn't for this podcast, I

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00:59:26.599 --> 00:59:28.119
don't know if I ever would have seen the movie again.

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I have a copy of it. Someone gave me a

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00:59:30.119 --> 00:59:32.280
copy of it for our kids, and I'm just like,

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I just kind of remember to being dark. I don't

1176
00:59:34.239 --> 00:59:36.079
know my kids will be into it, but now I

1177
00:59:36.079 --> 00:59:38.280
feel like I need to show them this. I'm wondering

1178
00:59:38.320 --> 00:59:41.440
if they'll like it at their age. I mean they're teenagers,

1179
00:59:41.840 --> 00:59:43.760
but yeah, it might be that thing Mouse movie what

1180
00:59:43.800 --> 00:59:46.559
I want to watch this Mouse movie for. But I

1181
00:59:46.559 --> 00:59:48.840
almost feel like I'm the right aide to enjoy this

1182
00:59:48.920 --> 00:59:49.559
movie right now.

1183
00:59:49.639 --> 00:59:53.000
I don't know. Yeah, it's a great point you made

1184
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right from the beginning.

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And I agree. I enjoyed the score. I just really

1186
00:59:58.559 --> 01:00:03.079
enjoyed listening to Dom Delle Louise. And it's eighty two

1187
01:00:03.079 --> 01:00:05.920
minutes and it's it's fast. It's it's really quick, and

1188
01:00:05.960 --> 01:00:08.199
that's always a good sign. Nothing worse than having an

1189
01:00:08.239 --> 01:00:10.639
eighty two minute animated movie and feeling like it's four

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01:00:10.639 --> 01:00:13.039
hours and it drags. It really doesn't. There's a lot

1191
01:00:13.039 --> 01:00:16.239
of good and it's not cheap animation. The whole body

1192
01:00:16.280 --> 01:00:18.400
moves when they're talking, they're animated, it's just not the

1193
01:00:18.440 --> 01:00:21.360
mouth that's just saying words. There's a lot of movement.

1194
01:00:21.400 --> 01:00:24.639
There's a lot of love that's put into this film.

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01:00:24.639 --> 01:00:27.280
You can really see it. And credit to the animators

1196
01:00:27.280 --> 01:00:29.159
and all the hard work they did, putting in time

1197
01:00:29.199 --> 01:00:31.840
and effort to it. It really does show on the screen.

1198
01:00:32.079 --> 01:00:34.519
So this was a big surprise for me. I mean,

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you and I had a hard time trying to pick

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01:00:36.400 --> 01:00:39.400
a movie to do. We did the schedule. All we

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01:00:39.440 --> 01:00:42.239
put was animated movie and I kept going back and forth,

1202
01:00:42.280 --> 01:00:44.360
going what are we going to do? I don't even

1203
01:00:44.360 --> 01:00:46.920
know if I'd like any of these, And you said,

1204
01:00:46.960 --> 01:00:49.599
let's try this, And I'm glad you picked this one.

1205
01:00:49.760 --> 01:00:51.119
This makes up for the hitcher, Jason.

1206
01:00:53.480 --> 01:00:56.039
I appreciate that. Yeah, I still are you for the

1207
01:00:56.079 --> 01:00:58.599
Ice Pirates though, Oh that's true. It was a labor

1208
01:00:58.639 --> 01:01:00.920
of love. It was a painstaking price. You can find

1209
01:01:01.000 --> 01:01:03.400
all of the technical details in the trivia if you

1210
01:01:03.400 --> 01:01:05.559
want to look it up, do a little research. But

1211
01:01:05.920 --> 01:01:08.519
I appreciate the fact that Don Bluth decided to go

1212
01:01:08.519 --> 01:01:10.519
a little old school. He went back to some classic

1213
01:01:10.559 --> 01:01:14.440
techniques that he thought had been put aside just to

1214
01:01:15.239 --> 01:01:18.440
get this style of animation done so and it paid off.

1215
01:01:18.480 --> 01:01:20.920
I'm glad you, said Sprite. I was also pleasantly surprised.

1216
01:01:20.920 --> 01:01:23.519
So yeah, and I want to find this book now.

1217
01:01:23.960 --> 01:01:26.599
I'm surprised, right, I just never really come across it.

1218
01:01:26.599 --> 01:01:28.039
It's a cool idea.

1219
01:01:28.719 --> 01:01:31.119
Yeah, yeah, I'd like to know how different it really

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01:01:31.199 --> 01:01:32.559
is from the book.

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01:01:32.480 --> 01:01:37.440
National Institute for Mental Health nim wild. Okay, that wraps

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01:01:37.480 --> 01:01:38.559
it up for this week's episode.

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Thank you so much for hanging out with us. We

1224
01:01:40.480 --> 01:01:42.880
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01:01:42.920 --> 01:01:45.599
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01:01:45.639 --> 01:01:48.480
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01:01:52.480 --> 01:01:54.440
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01:01:58.519 --> 01:02:01.960
unforgettable jin from the great movie decade of all time,

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01:02:02.039 --> 01:02:05.199
the nineteen eighties. Until then, stay awesome and have an excellent.

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01:02:04.960 --> 01:02:09.199
Dany no taste for blood. Huh. They've taken the animal

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01:02:09.239 --> 01:02:12.320
out of here. Thanks for staying up with us. Good

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01:02:12.440 --> 01:02:13.039
Night World.

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01:02:33.199 --> 01:02:36.119
It opened in the seventeenth spot, the Box off the

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Box Office.

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That's an interesting accent.