Season 6 is Finally Here!
Sept. 15, 2026

Gotcha! (1985)

Gotcha! (1985)

"Meet Jonathan. A college student who loves girls, games & gunplay. This year, on vacation in Paris, he's going to find out about all three. For real!" For this episode, I am joined by Dayton John from the "Docking Bay 77 Podcast" to discuss the spy action comedy 'Gotcha!' The movie stars Anthony Edwards and Linda Fiorentino. Directed by Jeff Kanew.

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Hello and welcome to the All 80s Movies Podcast, the

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podcast where we talk about the blockbusters, the flops, and

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everything in between. from one of the freshest decades from movies,

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the 1980s. I'm your host, Bill Banton. Welcome to this

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journey of revisiting 80s movies. Here's my guest host, Dayton Johnson. Hello, Dayton.

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You drag me to East Berlin. A lady gets shot

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in my arms. I'm getting chased by people who kill people.

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My parents think I'm a junkie. And you're hanging out

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with the CIA. Why should I be upset?

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That's right, listeners. We're discussing with spoilers aplenty the 1985

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spy action comedy, Gotcha. It was produced by Michael I.

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Levy Enterprises and distributed by Universal Pictures. The movie stars

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Anthony Edwards and Linda Fiorentino. Written and directed by Jeff Canu,

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this movie is rated PG-13 with a running time of

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1 hour and 41 minutes. So, what is this movie about?

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What's on the box?

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If you grew up in the 1980s and went to

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your local video store to rent this movie, you would

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find this description on the back of the VHS box.

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It is What's on the Box. Take it away, Dayton!

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Anthony Edwards, The Sure Thing, and sultry Linda Fiorentino, Vision Quest,

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star in this heart-racing romantic thriller shot on location in Paris, Berlin,

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and Los Angeles. Jonathan Moore is a shy college sophomore

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who scores big at Gotcha, his school's mock assassination game,

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but can't score with the co-eds. While traveling in Europe,

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on spring break he meets the sexy, experienced woman of

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his dreams, Sasha. When the love of his life turns

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out to be an international spy, Jonathan finds himself to

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be the target of a deadly espionage plot that doesn't

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stop at the U.S. border. Suddenly, in the safety of

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his home turf, he's playing gotcha again, but this time,

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it's no game. It's a hair-raising trip where every turn

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brings a brand new twist. Gotcha.

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Gotcha. Dayton, welcome back. I know it's been a long time.

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Dayton was last with us on Season 3 for our

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3 o'clock high episode, which was a lot of fun. Hopefully,

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check it out if you have not listened to it yet. Dayton,

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why don't you tell our audience a little bit about

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yourself and the Docking Bay 77 podcast?

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All right. Well, first of all, thanks for having me back.

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I really enjoyed talking about Three O'Clock High with you guys.

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It's been a while. It's been a while. But yeah,

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so I like to call myself a full-time podcaster that

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has a day job. And my day job is mail

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carrier for the United States Postal Service. So I get

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eight hours a day to listen to podcasts and music

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and audiobooks. So that's kind of how I spend my day.

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And I spend my nights a lot of times doing

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the podcast. So We are actually starting our sixth year

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this September, so that's kind of unexpected. I didn't think

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it'd be going this long. But our tagline now is

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friendly nerds discussing what they're listening to, watching, and reading.

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So I kind of like how that flows. It kind

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of covers everything. You joined us for a couple episodes

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a little ways back. We did Close Encounters of the

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Third Kind. That was a lot of fun. And then

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you picked Darkman as one of our guests' picks. So

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that was fun too, right?

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You're now in the 80s, but very close to the 80s.

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Just a little bit.

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Yes.

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We'll have to bring you back so we can get

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you more into the 90s and 2000s.

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I'll try. I'll try my best. I'll try my best.

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Yeah. So we're currently in the middle of our longest

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series ever, looking at films and albums from the year 1977.

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I figured with the 77 in the title of our podcast,

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we should probably do that. We've discussed Smoking the Bandit

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and Annie Hall and coming soon, the animated The Hobbit,

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which I had never seen before. And then some of

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the albums we've discussed include Rumors from Fleetwood Mac, Sin

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After Sin from Judas Priest, and coming soon, Rocket to

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Russia from The Ramones. So a lot of cool stuff

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coming over the next year and a half, including another

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series looking at the Universal monster movies, the classics, the

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black and white ones. So a lot of good stuff.

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A lot of good stuff.

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I will come on and do one of those, Tatum,

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if you need someone. No pressure. No pressure. All right.

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Dracula used to be my go-to Halloween movie for the

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longest time.

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Nice.

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Nice. So, Dayton, let's talk about the movie you selected.

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Do you remember the first time you saw Gotcha?

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I know it was a cable watch because I remember

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probably I was 15, 16 years old, and it seemed

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to be always on cable, and it always grabbed my attention.

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I just stopped what I was doing and sat down

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and watched it. I just loved the idea of the

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Gotcha game. I thought that would be so much fun.

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And I remember a few years later, I got laser

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tag guns, which was not quite as fun, but it

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was still fun. But just the idea of running around

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a school campus, a college campus, playing that game was fun.

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And the movie, it was exciting. And, you know, Teen

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Dayton always was up for a fun movie that had

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a little bit of nudity in it. So it was,

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you know, it's a high one on the nostalgia meter.

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rented it because of Anthony Edwards. At that point, I'd

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seen Top Gun and Revenge of the Nerds and was

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trying to figure out other movies that he had been in.

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one of those I would always see at the video store.

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It's like, if I can't find something else, I'll pick

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this and would usually find something else. And then finally,

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it was like, OK, I got to rent it and

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see what it's all about. It was definitely a couple

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of years later before I finally got to see this

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one for the first time. So let's go into our

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initial thoughts. Let's just discuss the movie. So the one

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thing I do like about having guests, I let the

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guests pick the movies. So, Dayton, why did you choose

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Gotcha for today's episode?

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So, honestly, it's one of those movies, like I said,

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it has a big nostalgia factor for me. It just

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reminds me of where I was in the movies I

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was watching when I was a teen. And I also

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love looking at movies from well-known actors that are early

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in their career. You know what I mean? And it's

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like when you talk about Anthony Edwards, you know, you

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hear revenge of the nerds or you hear top gun.

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Like you even said, you'd saw a top gun. So

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you wanted to see this and find another movie with him.

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It's kind of nice to see because she had just

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done Vision Quest, which I had not seen all the

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way through until recently. Go figure that out. But, you know,

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it's nice to see the beginnings of well-known actors and

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where they came from. And also, I just, you know,

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you guys haven't covered it. So I figured maybe I

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should pick it. So you guys get around to it.

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And it's fun thinking about movies from the 80s that,

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I mean, there's two F-bombs and nudity in this film,

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and it's only PG-13. So I still find that funny

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that there was a lot of those movies in the

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80s that seemed to get away with stuff. And, you know,

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I always think it's interesting to bring those up because

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it seems always seems like the rules that the MPAA

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have seemed very arbitrary at times. So because look at

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The Matrix, there's no blood in that movie, barely any

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blood in the movies. There's practically no bad language. It

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has got slapped with an R rating. It just doesn't

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make sense. But anyway, I digress. But yeah, it's a

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fun movie. Every time I mention it to people, they go, oh, yeah,

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I remember that movie. Nobody really thinks about it. So

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I thought we should talk about it. So maybe people

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go check it out if they haven't yet.

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I do appreciate that. One of the things that I

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found interesting watching this movie, because it is the first

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time I've probably seen it since The Rental, is the

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premise of the movie is, of course, gotcha, the paintball game,

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which we find out is really the first representation of

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this in a movie. Right. But watching it, I was

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thinking to myself, we actually don't need that element in

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the movie for the movie to move forward. It's in

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the first five, six minutes. Yep.

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It's in the opening credits.

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It's in the opening credits. That's it.

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Yeah. Just to basically establish that Anthony Edwards' character is

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a good shot, and then we really don't see it

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until the end when he gets the tranq gun and

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uses it against the Russians.

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But all you need to know is Anthony Edwards' character

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had access to the tranq gun, and they could have

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just explained how well he was a good shooter somewhere else.

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You're literally going to start at the movie with them

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in the classroom. Yeah. The veterinarian classroom with the tiger.

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The movie's called Gotcha. It's supposed to be introducing us

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to this new paintball craze, but it's not needed in

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the movie at all.

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I think maybe the idea was to show us that

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he can handle that kind of a gun and actually

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hit things.

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I don't know about you, but at the end of

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the movie, am I supposed to believe that an 18-year-old

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can handle a dart gun and hit these guys, these

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spies that are chasing him? Maybe that was the idea,

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because honestly, you're right, we don't need it. And I

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kind of wish they maybe would have explored its own

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movie of gotcha instead of just using this. I mean, yeah,

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because the title is all about the game, which really

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does not matter, except for the very beginning and the

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very end. So yeah, it kind of... We could have

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gotten it from anything else. Maybe he shoots with his dad.

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We could have gotten it from any other way. So yeah,

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it's a fun way to open the movie, but it

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really has nothing to do with the rest of the movie.

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I find it interesting that the movie is self-sustaining without

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that gotcha element to it. Right. Yeah, it could have

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just been these two buddies are going to spring break

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in Paris. One of them meets a girl who he

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falls in love with, Sasha. And we find out that

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Sasha's a spy and he gets roped into this whole

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thing and yada, yada, yada. That's a good movie in itself.

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The paintball element, I just thought it was so weird.

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You just didn't need it. And maybe it is because

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it is the first time we are introduced to paintball.

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Maybe back then it has a little more oomph to it.

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But in this viewing, I'm like, yeah, we really didn't

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need it. Not that I didn't mind seeing how proficient

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and how much he loved playing that game. And like, wow,

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if they tried to do that now with those guns,

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forget that.

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No way. No way. That's not going to happen.

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I mean, I know with my daughter's school, when she

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was in high school, the neighborhood, they did Nerf wars.

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that the kids over the next week were going to

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run around with Nerf guns. So it was kind of like, okay,

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it was okay. But yes. Nerf guns don't look like

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real guns.

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No, exactly. Super colorful, bright. They stand out.

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There's a little bit different. Yeah. And as I rewatched

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the movie, I started noticing the writer was like, well,

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this is a great idea. And then this is a

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great idea. And as you kind of look, sit back

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and look at it, is it a thriller? Is it

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a spy thriller? Is it a 80s coming of age film?

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Is it a road trip? I mean, there's it's like.

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There's so many elements from different genres. And sometimes you

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can combine multiple genres and make it work. It's very funny.

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There's a lot of humor in the very beginning. And

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then it gets really serious, which works in that time frame.

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But it also, there's little bits, pieces here and there

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that kind of feel like from another movie, which is

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okay at times. But there is a lot that they

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could have done. And I think they were trying to

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get too many different elements from different genres into the

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movie that they kind of... lost their direction at times.

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If you're going to make a spy thriller, cool, make

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a spy thriller. Throw in a couple of jokes. I mean,

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you know, Bond has been dropping little one-liners and jokes

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throughout that entire career, so why not do it here?

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But it's, I mean, it's still a fun movie, but

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it kind of at times feels like they lost track

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of what they were making.

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Yeah, this movie's definitely a rollercoaster of what is it

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supposed to be? But I was more surprised by it

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than I thought I was going to be. I really

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thought I was like, oh, okay, this is, it is

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what it is, but I did enjoy watching it.

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Oh, I did too. There's definitely movies that we watched

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when we were kids and teenagers that when we grow

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older and in our 50s and we watch them again,

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we're like, why did we like that? But with this one,

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I see the things that aren't great, but I still

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enjoy the movie. It's still fun. I mean, it's escapism.

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I mean, do we really believe that the CIA is

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going to grab some 18-year-old kid as a cover? I mean,

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that just seems like a bad idea. It's just so...

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At the same time, you know, it's a fun idea.

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I mean, we kind of put ourselves in Jonathan's place.

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What would we do? Would we go along with this

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girl we just met, this Czechoslovakian woman that we just

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met at a cafe in France and go to Berlin

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with her? I mean, you kind of go, well, that

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would be fun. I would do that. In reality, I'm like, no,

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I wouldn't do that. There's no way. I'd be too

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scared to go. But so we can live a little

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bit vicarious through Jonathan. And it's still fun. You know,

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it's escapism. You can't take it seriously.

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Yeah, and I think I did like also was it

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really is a movie of its time period because of

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Germany being split in East and West Berlin. And even

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in the movie, they don't refer to East Berlin as

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East Berlin. So I did like that they played that

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very real. Yes. How things were back then. So from

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a history perspective, it's kind of cool. There was a

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time when, yes, we had this wall that divided the

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two and Both sides are very different. And Checkpoint Charlie,

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and you had to go through all this just to

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go into the other side of your same country. So

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I did find that fascinating. And I'll get into some

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of the stuff with the trivia. Let me ask you

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about the Sasha character played by Linda Fiorentino. And her

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role in this is to literally seduce Anthony Edwards' character,

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Jonathan Moore. Which, we're fans of the Bond movies, and

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Bond's always sleeping with women throughout the film. But I

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was like, man, this is kind of different that she's

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being asked to do this. Yeah, if Linda Fiorentino came

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and propositioned me, I'd be like, yeah, I'm a virgin also, please.

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But that's kind of out there. I wasn't too sure

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about that.

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It seems like maybe had the relationship, had they started

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a relationship first, like they do that whole montage of

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where they're riding the bikes and they're going out to

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eat and they're spending time, they're going through the market.

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Had we gotten that first and then ending up in bed,

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that would be more believable. Like, okay, maybe that wasn't

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her goal, you know, to sleep with him. But now

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I kind of maybe believe it and maybe also works

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towards us believing that she does truly care about him

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on some level. But yeah, it was like, so instantly

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she sees this guy at a cafe and she instantly says, well,

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I'm going to sleep with him just to get, just

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rope him in. I'm like, so then you have to

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ask yourself, how long has she been doing this? How

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many guys has she seduced for the same purpose? Yeah, it's,

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it's a little odd and you're right. I mean, Linda

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Fiorentino propositions you, you're going to be like, take it seriously.

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But it seems like it was kind of heavy handed

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there at the beginning. And so out of place, a

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little backwards.

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When I gathered from the research, it seems like she

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was pretty new to doing this. But I think you

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nailed it right on the head. They should have started

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the relationship first and then she actually does fall for him. Right.

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And then at the end, when she finally tells who

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she is and that she works for the CIA, I

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think that would have made it a little bit more

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believable because maybe she's in her mid-20s and this is

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maybe her second or third assignment doing this. And the

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whole thing is to try to get a young American

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to be that unexpected carrier of the film in case

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something with her goes wrong. Right. But yeah, to jump

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in bed with him right away, you're pretty attractive enough

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that I'm sure you can get him to do things

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without having to get into bed with him.

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Right.

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Yeah. I was like, wow, that's, that's really bold. And

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I'm like, okay, but you know, I watch Bond movies

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and Bob and sleep with women. But I'm like, ah,

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they're more integral to the spy world and stuff.

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Yeah, they're usually not innocents. You know what I mean?

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They're usually not innocent. He's not using a lot of

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those people to be underhanded or whatever. He's not putting

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them in danger like she's doing with him.

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Yeah, I wouldn't come across as a male chauvinist. Like, oh,

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it's okay for Bond to do, but it's not okay

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for Sasha.

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Well, no, I get it. It just seems to be

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a little bit backwards. You know what I mean?

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If you were explaining this movie to someone, what would

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you say first? Would you say it's a spy caper

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first or a comedy? Or like, how would you.

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Honestly, it's more of a spy thriller. than anything else.

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Like I said, there's some comedy elements at the very beginning,

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but they go away very quickly. Pretty much once Jonathan

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meets Sasha, most of the humor kind of goes away

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until the very end. So yeah, I mean, for me,

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ultimately at its heart, it feels like a spy thriller.

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And that's how I would describe it because it makes

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the most sense. Because if you say, oh, it's an

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80s teen sex comedy, well, that doesn't work. because they're really...

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We have a certain image of that, like with Porky's

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or Fast Times at Ridgemont High. It's definitely not that.

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And it's not really an action movie either because they're... Sure,

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there's some action sequences, but that's not what it's hinging on.

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You know, it's more about the suspense and going into

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another country and trying to get out and phone calls

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and code words and things like that.

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So.

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Where it lands, and I think if they had embraced

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that idea completely, they could have really made a fantastic

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spy thriller with an innocent 18-year-old weird gen.

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Yes. All right. So here's our last question for you. Sure.

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Are you disappointed that we never find out what's on

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the film?

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No, because I remember having that conversation with people with

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the film Ronin. The whole case was what everybody was after.

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And it turns out it doesn't really matter because they

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were just trying to use the case as bait to

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catch somebody else. It's a MacGuffin. It's a piece. It's

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just a part of the puzzle. It doesn't really matter

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what's on there. But no, I didn't care because it

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has spy shit on it. As you keep saying, there's

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spy shit. Now, to me, I think the movie, had

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they embraced the whole spy thrower thing, Sasha is a

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much more interesting character than Jonathan. I think had they

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focused on her And Jonathan comes into the picture and

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then her dealing with the idea and maybe the inner

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turmoil of having to use this 18-year-old kid. I think

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that's a way more interesting story from her side as

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opposed to Jonathan's.

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Yeah, I certainly agree with that. What did you think

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of their chemistry?

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Once it got going, I believed it. At first, you're

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kind of like, Why is this woman into him? Because,

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you know, he's awkward. You know, he always has a

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head in a book. And he's terrible with talking to girls,

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which I can relate to. When I was in my teen,

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in my early 20s, I was terrible talking to girls.

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So I understand that. I get that. But it got there.

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Once he leaves Manolo to go to Berlin with her,

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you know, I'm kind of like, yeah, I believe that.

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When they're having their little pillow talk and stuff like that.

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After we get the montage, I start to believe it

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a little more. At the beginning, I'm kind of like, yeah, right.

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It's like, yeah, right.

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Yeah. I think that was one of the issues I

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had with the movie. And I'm already treading on my

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complaints is I think Anthony Edwards is a good enough

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looking guy. They make him seem like he has no

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game with women whatsoever. And I'm like, I think he's

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good looking enough that girls would find him attractive, that

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he could get dates where it seems like he really

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can't in school. And then all of a sudden he

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meets this girl who, in France.

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Right.

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And hits it off right away and he's just so excited, like,

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oh my god, a girl's interested in me. No, you're

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a decent looking guy. I think you would have been

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doing okay. Well, Manolo even pointed out to him. I

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think I would have liked the level that he had

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a girlfriend going in. Yeah, I mean.

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Because they have that conversation in the vet class where

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he says, but it's how you say it. You sound desperate.

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You sound, you know, please go out with me. So,

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I mean, which I understand and I get because, you know,

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the one girl says she'd rather do nothing than go

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out to dinner with him.

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Yeah.

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I mean, he's got his little sweater vests on and,

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you know, he's running around playing a nerdy game. Let's

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be honest. He's always got his head buried in, you know,

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Ernest Hemingway book. That doesn't ring a lot of bells

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for a lot of girls on a college campus. He's

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not helping himself.

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No, he's not helping himself. But I think he's good

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looking enough that I think girls would be interested in

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him regardless.

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Yeah.

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And he could get a date or two if he

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looked in the right spot.

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Yeah, the right spot is honestly his issue.

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And I think he would get some decent looking campus girls.

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Let's move on to our favorite scenes or moments from Gotcha.

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So Dayton starts off. What's a favorite scene or moment

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you have from the movie?

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All right. So even though... I think ultimately the scenes,

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the way they're shot don't fit. I love the first

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scene when Jonathan visits his parents. So the interaction, it's believable.

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It feels real. You have the mom, played by Marla Adams,

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and dad, Alex Rocco, of course. And the way they

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go back and forth. You know, Jonathan's there trying to

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convince his dad to let him go to Europe for

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spring break. And his dad's all, it costs too much money.

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It costs too much money. And which I thought find

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funny because they're sitting in front of a pool and

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off of the distance, there's a tennis court. I'm like,

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this guy's worried about money.

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Really?

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So anyway, which is funny, but dad says, no, you know,

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Jonathan goes, mom and mom goes, Al. And he goes,

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every time I hear you say, Al, it costs me money.

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So that whole vibe felt real. That felt like a

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real conversation that family has had. over and over again

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for different reasons. Probably at one point it was for

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buying the Mustang that Jonathan drives, or it was for

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which school he's going to go to. That conversation has

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happened before. It reminds me of in Heathers, every time

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Veronica has a conversation with her parents, it feels real.

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It feels real enough, and I enjoy it. It makes

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me laugh every time. I love that scene between him

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and his mom and dad. I just find it delightful.

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It's just so much fun.

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What cracks me up about that scene is as soon

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as I saw that house, because I live out here

467
00:21:18.450 --> 00:21:20.769
in California, and I'm like, oh my God, that looks

468
00:21:20.789 --> 00:21:23.950
like such a house from Brentwood. And of course, and

469
00:21:23.970 --> 00:21:26.210
I've only been out to Brentwood a couple of times.

470
00:21:26.230 --> 00:21:28.089
I don't know very many people out there, but the

471
00:21:28.109 --> 00:21:31.789
houses I've been to look exactly like that. And of course,

472
00:21:31.829 --> 00:21:34.430
I had to look it up. And yes, they filmed.

473
00:21:34.250 --> 00:21:35.470
That house in Brentwood.

474
00:21:35.490 --> 00:21:37.970
Yep. Pool, tennis court. They all seem to have them

475
00:21:38.029 --> 00:21:40.950
out there. It's not quite Beverly Hills, but they're all

476
00:21:41.210 --> 00:21:42.299
nice homes like that.

477
00:21:43.109 --> 00:21:43.869
Right, right.

478
00:21:44.329 --> 00:21:47.049
One of my favorite moments or a small scene. So

479
00:21:47.509 --> 00:21:51.299
it's Sasha and Jonathan went over to the DDR with

480
00:21:51.420 --> 00:21:53.960
East Germany and Jonathan's come back by himself. He was

481
00:21:54.000 --> 00:21:57.660
basically told to leave by Sasha. And this is a

482
00:21:57.859 --> 00:22:01.180
hilarious scene when he crosses over into West Berlin and

483
00:22:01.220 --> 00:22:04.480
he meets that MP. And he asked the MP, am

484
00:22:04.539 --> 00:22:07.230
I in West Berlin now? And the MP says, you

485
00:22:07.289 --> 00:22:11.940
sure are. And then Jonathan looks back and goes- Fuck you.

486
00:22:12.079 --> 00:22:12.380
Yes.

487
00:22:13.700 --> 00:22:16.680
And then the MP says, good night. And then the MP,

488
00:22:17.640 --> 00:22:19.720
his line is hilarious. I've been wanting to do that

489
00:22:19.769 --> 00:22:23.470
for the last six months. And supposedly, I read in

490
00:22:23.490 --> 00:22:25.670
the research, he was a real military officer.

491
00:22:25.690 --> 00:22:26.349
Oh, nice.

492
00:22:26.450 --> 00:22:30.130
And he played that perfect. His reaction was great. And

493
00:22:30.170 --> 00:22:34.019
just his line was hilarious. Just as funny as Jonathan

494
00:22:34.279 --> 00:22:36.299
Anthony Edwards giving the fuck you. I love that moment.

495
00:22:36.319 --> 00:22:38.720
Yeah, and then he goes to Burger King and orders

496
00:22:38.759 --> 00:22:42.809
a double Whopper with American cheese and American French fries.

497
00:22:43.640 --> 00:22:45.609
Yeah, I love that. American French fries.

498
00:22:45.849 --> 00:22:46.509
Yeah, right?

499
00:22:46.809 --> 00:22:47.089
Okay.

500
00:22:48.029 --> 00:22:50.900
Well, it's funny because actually– one of my favorite moments

501
00:22:50.980 --> 00:22:53.720
actually is right before yours is right before that one.

502
00:22:54.140 --> 00:22:57.019
When he's trying to get out, she's been, she called him, said,

503
00:22:57.039 --> 00:22:59.049
meet me at the cafe, Friedrich Stratus or whatever. So

504
00:22:59.119 --> 00:23:00.730
that's the code for him to split. I got to

505
00:23:00.769 --> 00:23:03.670
get out of here. So she gets nabbed by Vlad

506
00:23:03.849 --> 00:23:06.410
and he's trying to, you know, get across the wall

507
00:23:06.430 --> 00:23:08.369
or whatever, get through the checkpoint. And the way they

508
00:23:08.410 --> 00:23:10.910
cut it together is, She gets drip searched. He gets

509
00:23:10.970 --> 00:23:13.670
drip searched. And he's just like, he can tell he

510
00:23:13.710 --> 00:23:15.750
wants to get out of there. He's really anxious. And

511
00:23:15.769 --> 00:23:18.819
then the guy confiscates the Playboy, calling it pornography. And51200:23:18.859 --> 00:23:21.140



he's like, get dressed. And he goes up to have to...51300:23:21.460 --> 00:23:24.500



Joe has papers. The lady's like, well, you need another visa.51400:23:24.720 --> 00:23:27.609



Your visa expired for four hours ago. And he's like, okay, well,51500:23:27.630 --> 00:23:29.210



where do I go? He goes, she goes next window.51600:23:29.349 --> 00:23:31.670



And then he goes over and she's right there. That51700:23:31.730 --> 00:23:34.190



next window. She's like, yes. He goes, I need a visa.51800:23:34.529 --> 00:23:36.450



She goes for how long? And it's like, she just51900:23:36.490 --> 00:23:38.470



had the cover. It was just so funny. And then52000:23:38.809 --> 00:23:41.809



he's in such a hurry to get across that he leaves.52100:23:42.150 --> 00:23:45.069



And then she starts running, you know, sir, sir. And52200:23:45.130 --> 00:23:47.430



he panics. And she's like, why are you in such52300:23:47.450 --> 00:23:48.759



a hurry? He's like, what do you mean? You forgot52400:23:48.779 --> 00:23:49.170



your change.52500:23:49.210 --> 00:23:50.559



He's like, oh, Okay.52600:23:50.700 --> 00:23:52.440



And then he gets to the gate and he's like,52700:23:52.619 --> 00:23:55.079



open up, hurry, hurry, hurry. And he's just like, you can,52800:23:55.299 --> 00:23:57.450



in the cuts to Vlad driving the car, get into52900:23:57.490 --> 00:23:57.849



the thing.53000:23:58.309 --> 00:23:58.450



And.53100:23:58.960 --> 00:24:01.099



Then he gets out, and then we have that great interaction,53200:24:01.119 --> 00:24:04.460



like you mentioned, with the checkpoint. So yeah, the whole53300:24:04.509 --> 00:24:07.029



lead up, like I said, had they really leaned hard53400:24:07.309 --> 00:24:10.990



into the spy thriller, this movie could have been fantastic.53500:24:11.289 --> 00:24:14.210



Because there's moments like that that we really kind of53600:24:14.730 --> 00:24:17.059



get that feeling. Like, you know what? A few more53700:24:17.099 --> 00:24:20.079



scenes like that, a little bit more backstory, and this53800:24:20.119 --> 00:24:22.490



could have been a very memorable spy movie from the 80s.53900:24:23.170 --> 00:24:25.349



Yeah, that scene almost made my cut. But I love54000:24:25.490 --> 00:24:28.170



what happens afterwards so much more. That's why I put54100:24:28.190 --> 00:24:29.130



that in instead.54200:24:29.210 --> 00:24:29.589



Gotcha.54300:24:29.769 --> 00:24:31.849



Yeah, when she goes to the window twice and acts54400:24:31.890 --> 00:24:34.569



like she has no idea who he is. It's great.54500:24:34.910 --> 00:24:35.589



It's so funny.54600:24:35.690 --> 00:24:37.990



What do you want? Yeah, that is fucking amazing.54700:24:38.099 --> 00:24:38.819



It's so funny.54800:24:40.400 --> 00:24:43.640



For another favorite scene I have, I'll call it the54900:24:43.759 --> 00:24:48.319



strudel exchange. So Jonathan has gotten over to West Berlin55000:24:48.619 --> 00:24:51.880



and he gets a call that he has something that he...55100:24:52.130 --> 00:24:55.730



He needs to give to the government, and he's not55200:24:55.910 --> 00:24:58.349



quite sure what it is. What has happened is Sasha55300:24:58.390 --> 00:25:00.549



has given him a roll of film and dropped it55400:25:00.589 --> 00:25:03.849



into his backpack, but he has no idea he has it.55500:25:04.130 --> 00:25:09.470



So he meets this woman up at the Bandosh Citadel.55600:25:10.029 --> 00:25:11.720



Yeah, just call it the Citadel. That's what I call it.55700:25:11.730 --> 00:25:15.140



The Citadel, yeah. At the Citadel, and she asks him, like, okay,55800:25:15.279 --> 00:25:18.940



I need what Sasha gave you. And, of course, the55900:25:18.980 --> 00:25:21.019



only thing that he knows that Sasha gave him was56000:25:21.059 --> 00:25:23.660



the strudel. And he goes to hand it to her.56100:25:23.680 --> 00:25:24.769



She's like, what the hell is this?56200:25:25.269 --> 00:25:25.589



I know it.56300:25:25.869 --> 00:25:29.490



And unfortunately, she gets shot by Vlad the henchman. And56400:25:29.509 --> 00:25:32.430



then they have the chase scene, which I liked. I56500:25:32.470 --> 00:25:34.130



liked the chase scene, the running around. Because I know56600:25:34.170 --> 00:25:35.910



I'd be in a panic. When you're running around a building,56700:25:35.930 --> 00:25:39.869



you have no idea what hallway leads to where, door leads.56800:25:40.029 --> 00:25:42.700



And then he eventually, kind of the roof of the Citadel,56900:25:42.720 --> 00:25:44.920



but then it leads over this wall into a moat.57000:25:45.279 --> 00:25:46.980



And he's got to jump off or else he's going57100:25:47.000 --> 00:25:50.130



to get killed. and makes the leap and it's it's57200:25:50.170 --> 00:25:51.630



a nice little jump maybe two and a half three57300:25:51.650 --> 00:25:54.450



stories high and then swims ashore but yeah i thought57400:25:54.470 --> 00:25:57.039



that was a fun action scene and yeah just the57500:25:57.079 --> 00:25:59.480



fact the strudel and then even one of the henchmen57600:25:59.519 --> 00:26:01.960



grabbed the strudel and literally tear it apart thinking yeah57700:26:02.000 --> 00:26:04.559



there is something in the strudel they have no idea57800:26:04.579 --> 00:26:06.380



right that was good too.57900:26:06.779 --> 00:26:08.700



What a great location to shoot at too because that's58000:26:08.740 --> 00:26:11.819



an actual spot and uh yeah it's a lot of58100:26:11.839 --> 00:26:14.799



great corners a lot of uh Great angles for the58200:26:14.839 --> 00:26:17.380



camera to put them in. They must have walked around58300:26:17.420 --> 00:26:19.960



for a whole day just deciding, we're going to shoot here,58400:26:19.980 --> 00:26:21.190



and we're going to shoot in this stairwell, we're going58500:26:21.210 --> 00:26:23.650



to shoot in this... So yeah, it's a great spot.58600:26:24.049 --> 00:26:27.430



Great spot. So one of my other ones, it's not58700:26:27.490 --> 00:26:33.140



quite as serious as yours was, but I actually... The58800:26:33.180 --> 00:26:36.519



scene where Jonathan meets Shasha for the first time, he's58900:26:36.559 --> 00:26:40.619



at the cafe, and the French waiter asks him what59000:26:40.640 --> 00:26:45.200



he wants, of course... it's funny because Jonathan, he's supposed59100:26:45.259 --> 00:26:47.910



to be able to speak French and he has, you know,59200:26:47.930 --> 00:26:49.509



he can, he could talk about how big his pencil59300:26:49.609 --> 00:26:52.609



is and that it's yellow, but he tries to order59400:26:52.970 --> 00:26:56.109



Parnoud and he's pointing at the thing and the waiter's like,59500:26:56.250 --> 00:26:58.910



you know what? And he goes, he just Parnoud and the,59600:26:59.230 --> 00:27:01.299



just the attitude from the waiter. And to be fair,59700:27:01.680 --> 00:27:05.339



it probably was partially Jonathan's fault because he's just not59800:27:05.400 --> 00:27:07.799



doing a very good job asking for stuff. And, but man,59900:27:07.819 --> 00:27:10.920



when he just downs, That drink, you know, it's like,60000:27:12.019 --> 00:27:13.259



and I had to look it up because I'm like,60100:27:13.279 --> 00:27:13.599



what is that?60200:27:13.680 --> 00:27:13.980



Wine?60300:27:14.019 --> 00:27:15.480



What is that? So I actually looked it up and60400:27:15.849 --> 00:27:18.450



it is usually served with water to help make it60500:27:18.529 --> 00:27:20.589



not as strong because apparently it's pretty strong. So he60600:27:20.630 --> 00:27:23.089



had two of those glasses. So he had to be60700:27:23.109 --> 00:27:25.690



pretty tipsy, which is probably why he had the courage60800:27:25.730 --> 00:27:27.450



to walk over to Sasha. But anyway.60900:27:27.490 --> 00:27:28.170



Liquid courage.61000:27:28.789 --> 00:27:31.230



Yeah, liquid courage. I just love that scene because the61100:27:31.609 --> 00:27:35.869



interaction between him and the waiter and then how he61200:27:35.890 --> 00:27:38.039



tells the waiter in French that he has a big pencil.61300:27:38.059 --> 00:27:38.130



Yeah.61400:27:39.210 --> 00:27:41.490



It's just funny. He's very good for you. So it's61500:27:41.529 --> 00:27:44.430



just very funny. It's believable in the way that we're61600:27:44.450 --> 00:27:47.150



always called the ugly Americans when we go abroad. And61700:27:47.250 --> 00:27:51.039



this is a good example of why we're the ugly Americans.61800:27:51.759 --> 00:27:53.539



He gets mad at the waiter. I'm like, dude, you61900:27:53.579 --> 00:27:56.700



don't even know what you're ordering. So, you know, whatever.62000:27:56.779 --> 00:27:59.059



It went both ways. He was getting as good as62100:27:59.099 --> 00:27:59.619



he was given.62200:28:00.440 --> 00:28:03.660



Yes. Yeah. I did like the actor who played the62300:28:03.819 --> 00:28:06.789



French waiter. He was pretty funny. And he certainly had62400:28:06.829 --> 00:28:08.690



an attitude. Yes. Yes, he did.62500:28:09.480 --> 00:28:11.079



And it was a believable attitude, so that works.62600:28:11.480 --> 00:28:15.920



Exactly. For my final favorite scene, it was when Jonathan62700:28:16.099 --> 00:28:19.099



escaped with the band. I don't know why I like62800:28:19.140 --> 00:28:24.450



that scene. Jonathan's running through West Berlin. He's being chased,62900:28:24.490 --> 00:28:27.890



and he runs across these three band members and basically63000:28:27.950 --> 00:28:31.750



asks them to help him. And they're like, okay, yeah, sure,63100:28:31.809 --> 00:28:34.829



get in the van with us. And they're punk rockers.63200:28:34.890 --> 00:28:38.079



They got the makeup and the piercings and the spiky hair.63300:28:38.740 --> 00:28:42.619



And just because he's from America, they love L.A., they63400:28:42.640 --> 00:28:45.049



take him into the van with them. And then they63500:28:45.089 --> 00:28:48.230



tell him that he has to go through Checkpoint Charlie63600:28:48.250 --> 00:28:50.430



again because they have to drive through East Berlin to63700:28:50.450 --> 00:28:52.890



get where they're going. And now Jonathan's in a panic63800:28:52.950 --> 00:28:54.559



because he doesn't want to go back to East Berlin63900:28:54.579 --> 00:28:58.359



because he knows for sure. He just got out of there. Yep. Yep.64000:28:58.710 --> 00:29:01.589



And I was impressed with the makeup job they did.64100:29:01.670 --> 00:29:04.809



I did not recognize him at first. You know it's64200:29:04.849 --> 00:29:07.890



his face coming around because they go to the checkpoint64300:29:07.990 --> 00:29:09.869



and they're asked to see all the passports. And I64400:29:10.210 --> 00:29:12.210



noticed the female. I was like, what's her passport picture?64500:29:12.230 --> 00:29:14.289



I'm like, yeah, she is kind of pretty. It's a64600:29:14.309 --> 00:29:17.289



shame she's got all that makeup on. And then we64700:29:17.329 --> 00:29:20.230



see Jonathan's passport. We see the picture. And then Jonathan's64800:29:20.289 --> 00:29:23.150



head just peeks around the door of the van so64900:29:23.190 --> 00:29:25.380



he can show his face. And I was like. Yeah.65000:29:25.619 --> 00:29:28.839



I wouldn't recognize them at all either. That was pretty good. Yeah.65100:29:29.319 --> 00:29:32.420



Yeah. And a little bit of quick trivia. That is65200:29:32.500 --> 00:29:35.690



actually their actual passports. If you freeze it and zoom in,65300:29:35.910 --> 00:29:38.230



you can see their actual birthdates and their real names.65400:29:38.609 --> 00:29:40.339



So they were all told because, you know. bring their65500:29:40.380 --> 00:29:42.380



actual passports with them, and so they just used those65600:29:42.420 --> 00:29:45.519



as the props. So those are their actual passports for65700:29:45.539 --> 00:29:48.869



those actors, which I'm like, that's cool. They saved money65800:29:48.930 --> 00:29:52.009



on having to not make more passports for these guys.65900:29:52.670 --> 00:29:54.509



It does help that they were playing a little Frankie66000:29:54.529 --> 00:29:56.849



Goes to Hollywood over the scene, which is such an66100:29:57.150 --> 00:29:58.210



80s band.66200:29:58.450 --> 00:29:59.589



Oh, yeah, very much so.66300:30:00.009 --> 00:30:01.750



I did like the soundtrack in this movie. I was like,66400:30:01.789 --> 00:30:03.049



I think that's some good tunes in this one.66500:30:03.369 --> 00:30:05.450



They played two songs for Frankie Goes to Hollywood. And66600:30:05.970 --> 00:30:08.019



the second one, Two Tribes, is actually my favorite of66700:30:08.059 --> 00:30:10.099



their songs. I love that song. And it gets forgotten.66800:30:10.140 --> 00:30:12.680



Everybody remembers Relax, but nobody remembers Two Tribes. And I66900:30:12.700 --> 00:30:14.900



think that's just such a better song. Oh, well.67000:30:16.059 --> 00:30:17.259



Yeah, I love them both. I don't know if I67100:30:17.279 --> 00:30:19.680



could pick one over the other. But yeah, the fact67200:30:19.700 --> 00:30:21.960



they used both, I'm like, all right, okay. This movie's67300:30:22.000 --> 00:30:25.009



got points for me. Right. So let's move on to67400:30:25.329 --> 00:30:28.769



our Swiss cheese or complaints department. What plot holes, bloopers,67500:30:28.849 --> 00:30:32.299



or general complaints would you like to file about? Gotcha. Dayton,67600:30:32.319 --> 00:30:34.079



what do you got?67700:30:34.099 --> 00:30:36.660



Okay. So a lot of my complaints actually have to67800:30:36.720 --> 00:30:37.619



deal with Vlad.67900:30:37.640 --> 00:30:39.039



Oh, okay.68000:30:39.440 --> 00:30:42.430



So here's the thing. You mentioned your favorite scene, the68100:30:42.470 --> 00:30:46.380



chase at the Citadel. And you're right. It's a great section.68200:30:46.440 --> 00:30:49.539



It's really exciting and everything else. My issue is earlier68300:30:49.839 --> 00:30:52.579



when Sasha's meeting with one of the other operatives, he68400:30:52.619 --> 00:30:56.559



says Vlad is really good. Okay. So we assume he's68500:30:56.599 --> 00:30:59.000



like one of those top agents or whatever. So he's68600:30:59.019 --> 00:31:01.569



going to be a real pain in her ass. Fine. Well,68700:31:01.589 --> 00:31:04.650



you know, we got Jonathan meeting Sasha's friend and he68800:31:04.690 --> 00:31:07.170



gives her the... The strudel. And as you said, she68900:31:07.210 --> 00:31:10.589



gets shot. Now, Vlad pulls out a rifle with a69000:31:10.609 --> 00:31:14.069



scope on it and he makes an amazing shot. Okay.69100:31:14.250 --> 00:31:15.720



That is not close. They're at the top of a69200:31:15.759 --> 00:31:19.210



tower and he's down on the ground. And you're like, wow. Well,69300:31:19.250 --> 00:31:22.089



then he spends the rest of the movie missing him.69400:31:22.109 --> 00:31:24.509



It's like he takes shots at him when he's chasing69500:31:24.549 --> 00:31:26.609



him on the ground. He shoots at him once he69600:31:26.650 --> 00:31:28.509



goes into the moat and swim across. He misses him there.69700:31:28.529 --> 00:31:30.119



And I'm thinking, OK, wait a minute. This guy just69800:31:30.130 --> 00:31:33.059



nailed that woman from a few hundred feet away and69900:31:33.099 --> 00:31:35.200



he can't hit with a pistol. I'm like, that just70000:31:35.259 --> 00:31:37.339



felt like a little uneven. You know, they set this70100:31:37.380 --> 00:31:40.680



guy up to be terrifying and he can't even. Yeah,70200:31:40.759 --> 00:31:43.390



that was my biggest complaint. So that's my first complaints70300:31:43.430 --> 00:31:45.210



about Vlad. I keep coming back to him and there's70400:31:45.250 --> 00:31:48.920



other stuff. And, but yeah, that's my first one for Vlad.70500:31:49.559 --> 00:31:52.259



I will agree with Vlad because the scene when Jonathan70600:31:52.380 --> 00:31:55.240



does jump off into the moat, because he jumps up70700:31:55.660 --> 00:31:58.059



and Vlad goes to shoot. I'm like, how the hell70800:31:58.099 --> 00:32:00.809



does he miss him? So I thought for sure. Oh,70900:32:01.470 --> 00:32:03.390



we're going to find out. He shoots the camera and71000:32:03.450 --> 00:32:07.170



busts his dad's camera. I forgot what happened to the camera.71100:32:07.190 --> 00:32:09.049



And I'm like, that would have made sense. Like, Then71200:32:09.089 --> 00:32:11.250



he gets a thing and then he finds that hole71300:32:11.509 --> 00:32:13.470



in his backpack. Like, oh my God, I would have71400:32:13.490 --> 00:32:15.160



got shot if it wasn't for my dad. How am71500:32:15.170 --> 00:32:17.000



I going to explain this? I think that would have71600:32:17.019 --> 00:32:19.240



worked a little bit better if that had happened. But yes,71700:32:19.299 --> 00:32:21.759



he's a terrible shot after that. I don't know how71800:32:21.799 --> 00:32:23.400



he did this.71900:32:23.500 --> 00:32:25.039



Every other time he pulls out his gun, he misses.72000:32:25.539 --> 00:32:27.960



So it's just like, you can't set him up to72100:32:27.980 --> 00:32:30.579



be this great shot and then misses the rest of72200:32:30.599 --> 00:32:31.809



the time. But anyway.72300:32:31.940 --> 00:32:32.789



Stormtrooper school.72400:32:33.109 --> 00:32:34.650



Okay. We're not getting into that narrative.72500:32:37.250 --> 00:32:37.910



What else do you have?72600:32:38.859 --> 00:32:42.960



So, okay, we mentioned the chase of the Citadel is great, okay? So,72700:32:43.539 --> 00:32:46.970



what I don't get is, you know, Jonathan, he gets72800:32:47.009 --> 00:32:50.309



out of the water. He's soaked, okay? And he escapes72900:32:50.890 --> 00:32:53.430



out of the moat. Here's my issues. How does Vlad73000:32:53.450 --> 00:32:56.529



and his people lose track of him so quickly, okay?73100:32:56.750 --> 00:32:58.490



I mean, yeah, I understand there's probably, they have to73200:32:58.509 --> 00:33:00.420



go around, and I'm pretty, you know, from my read, right,73300:33:00.440 --> 00:33:02.640



the Citadel's actually on an island, so I get they73400:33:02.660 --> 00:33:04.460



had to catch up to him, but they know he73500:33:04.519 --> 00:33:07.509



has to fly home, okay? They know he's... They went73600:33:07.529 --> 00:33:09.890



through all this stuff back at the hotel. So there73700:33:09.930 --> 00:33:11.910



had to be some kind of clue that he's a student.73800:33:12.049 --> 00:33:14.089



You know, there had to be something there. So they73900:33:14.109 --> 00:33:16.009



don't go to the airport. They just kind of he74000:33:16.029 --> 00:33:16.650



just gets away.74100:33:16.849 --> 00:33:17.829



Right. Fine.74200:33:17.950 --> 00:33:20.380



OK, I can forgive that. But when Jonathan gets back74300:33:20.410 --> 00:33:23.220



to his apartment, he's cleaning out his backpack that we backpack.74400:33:23.240 --> 00:33:25.259



We just saw him jump into the moat with that74500:33:25.299 --> 00:33:28.619



was completely soaked. He's taking everything out of the backpack.74600:33:29.099 --> 00:33:33.640



Nothing looks ruined. His books don't look water damaged. The74700:33:33.740 --> 00:33:36.890



boxes of film, the boxes don't, they're cardboard boxes. They74800:33:36.930 --> 00:33:39.450



don't look wet. He pulls out some underwear. I don't74900:33:39.490 --> 00:33:40.950



care how long it's been. If that's been sitting in75000:33:40.990 --> 00:33:44.230



that bag, that's still wet. You know, it just, there's75100:33:44.269 --> 00:33:49.470



not consistency. And there's no hint that he jumped into75200:33:49.490 --> 00:33:53.430



the water at this point. And that's a little bit, yeah.75300:33:53.670 --> 00:33:55.559



And had he taken that camera out? And to your point,75400:33:55.819 --> 00:33:58.279



had the camera been shot, that would have been cool. But,75500:33:58.339 --> 00:34:01.099



you know, I mean, I know cameras are, tight for light.75600:34:01.119 --> 00:34:02.579



They're not supposed to let light in, but I'm pretty75700:34:02.619 --> 00:34:04.569



sure if it went into the water, the water is75800:34:04.589 --> 00:34:06.160



going to get in. Water is going to come out75900:34:06.180 --> 00:34:07.750



when you take it out of the bag, even if76000:34:07.789 --> 00:34:09.789



it's going to be something it's going to show. And76100:34:10.150 --> 00:34:13.269



that didn't happen. So I'm just saying, if you set76200:34:13.309 --> 00:34:14.889



this up, if you tell me he did this, you got,76300:34:14.949 --> 00:34:17.349



there's gotta be a, there's cause and effect later.76400:34:17.389 --> 00:34:17.530



Yeah.76500:34:17.550 --> 00:34:19.050



He takes the, the dad takes the lens off and76600:34:19.070 --> 00:34:21.869



the water comes out. We should have seen something before76700:34:21.889 --> 00:34:23.989



then to be fair, but.76800:34:23.949 --> 00:34:26.230



Yeah, that joke didn't work for me because of that.76900:34:26.289 --> 00:34:26.489



Okay.77000:34:27.150 --> 00:34:29.130



Yeah. Yeah. I agree with you too. If you're jumping77100:34:29.150 --> 00:34:32.280



in with a wet bag, That bag is soaked.77200:34:32.320 --> 00:34:34.000



He needed to take this up and go, ugh, my77300:34:34.039 --> 00:34:36.360



book's ruined. This is ruined. There had to be some77400:34:36.380 --> 00:34:40.219



kind of consequences. I get why he jumped, but it77500:34:40.260 --> 00:34:41.550



needs to be seen later.77600:34:41.570 --> 00:34:45.369



I agree. All right, here's one of my complaints, because77700:34:45.409 --> 00:34:48.050



it just seems a lot obvious. This happens in a77800:34:48.070 --> 00:34:50.789



lot of movies, of course, but the product placement in77900:34:50.809 --> 00:34:55.199



this one is horrible, especially when Jonathan meets that first78000:34:55.280 --> 00:34:57.679



girl when he's playing gotcha and he shoots that first78100:34:57.719 --> 00:34:58.320



guy in the back. Oh, yeah.78200:34:58.760 --> 00:34:59.659



Oh, yeah.78300:34:59.679 --> 00:35:02.780



She's holding the Diet Pepsi, and they're cutting at different angles.78400:35:03.360 --> 00:35:05.920



And every angle, the Diet Pepsi is facing wherever the78500:35:05.960 --> 00:35:09.199



camera is supposed to be. I was like, oh. And78600:35:09.239 --> 00:35:13.039



of course, you know, camera, they have to keep saying Nikon, Nikon, Nikon.78700:35:13.079 --> 00:35:17.199



Of course, it has to go to Burger King. I78800:35:17.219 --> 00:35:20.679



was like, oh, man. I mean, there's product placement, and78900:35:20.699 --> 00:35:26.429



there's product placement. This has the very blatant, blatant product placements.79000:35:26.929 --> 00:35:30.090



Well, I will defend the Nikon comment because I was79100:35:30.150 --> 00:35:32.650



a photographer for many years and I used a Canon.79200:35:32.949 --> 00:35:34.849



And we like to joke there's two kinds of photographers.79300:35:34.989 --> 00:35:37.769



There's Canon people and there's Nikon people. So for the79400:35:37.809 --> 00:35:39.610



most part, if somebody said, do you have a Nikon?79500:35:39.659 --> 00:35:41.800



I said, no, I have a Canon. So I get79600:35:41.840 --> 00:35:44.099



the dad calling it a Nikon. But yeah, you're right.79700:35:44.179 --> 00:35:47.760



There's definitely some over product placement in here. Yeah, the79800:35:47.780 --> 00:35:50.320



girl with the Diet Pepsi, that was pretty blatant, pretty79900:35:50.420 --> 00:35:52.840



obvious because she didn't need to have it. She really80000:35:52.880 --> 00:35:55.159



didn't tell us anything. Well, did it tell us?80100:35:55.239 --> 00:35:55.780



Maybe. I don't know.80200:35:55.989 --> 00:35:57.900



It wasn't necessary. It wasn't necessary.80300:35:58.179 --> 00:36:00.139



No, I didn't mind that she was holding it. I'm like, okay,80400:36:00.159 --> 00:36:01.639



I see that she has Diet Pepsi in her hand.80500:36:01.679 --> 00:36:04.340



But every time they would cut from a different angle,80600:36:04.380 --> 00:36:07.260



the Diet Pepsi logo was... You can tell it's a80700:36:07.300 --> 00:36:10.420



Diet Pepsi just from her holding it. Right. The colors. Right.80800:36:10.699 --> 00:36:12.639



Why don't you just hold it up to the camera like, oh,80900:36:12.659 --> 00:36:18.610



you spilled my Diet Pepsi on me. Just five calories81000:36:18.710 --> 00:36:22.010



or whatever it was back then. This is another thing81100:36:22.070 --> 00:36:25.110



I didn't like. I did not like the taxi ride. The...81200:36:26.239 --> 00:36:29.360



The sped up camera stuff. That was a no.81300:36:29.360 --> 00:36:31.880



100%. It's Benny Hill. I mean, what are we talking81400:36:31.900 --> 00:36:35.260



about here? It's a different movie. It's Keystone Cop stuff.81500:36:35.300 --> 00:36:37.500



What are we doing? Yeah, that didn't work for me.81600:36:37.559 --> 00:36:41.539



And then they get out of the cab and it's81700:36:41.619 --> 00:36:44.219



Jonathan and crap, what was his friend's name?81800:36:44.400 --> 00:36:44.840



Manolo.81900:36:45.219 --> 00:36:47.840



Yeah, Manolo. And they do that first shot of them82000:36:48.000 --> 00:36:51.099



sped up. Like at least stop it when the taxi stops.82100:36:51.139 --> 00:36:53.440



Don't speed them up when they get out of the cab.82200:36:53.989 --> 00:36:57.389



Yeah, it looked bad. It's almost like Instead of actually82300:36:57.449 --> 00:36:59.090



shooting it in a way to look like the guy,82400:36:59.130 --> 00:37:01.010



I mean, the guy was driving crazy anyway. We didn't82500:37:01.030 --> 00:37:03.269



need to speed it up. I mean, if the Muppets82600:37:03.289 --> 00:37:05.230



can do it in The Great Muppet Caper, then they82700:37:05.250 --> 00:37:06.760



could have done it in this movie. I mean, they82800:37:06.800 --> 00:37:08.860



didn't have to really try hard. You know what I mean?82900:37:09.079 --> 00:37:11.960



I don't know. It was too gimmicky. Like I said,83000:37:12.039 --> 00:37:14.820



it was very Benny Hill, Keystone Cops. It was unnecessary.83100:37:15.159 --> 00:37:17.480



It takes you out of the movie completely.83200:37:17.820 --> 00:37:19.619



It does. And I heard it was filmed by the83300:37:19.659 --> 00:37:23.389



second unit. The French stunt crew actually did that. because83400:37:23.409 --> 00:37:25.460



of all the driving they had to do, all the83500:37:25.480 --> 00:37:28.780



crazy driving they had to do. So they under-cranked the camera,83600:37:28.820 --> 00:37:31.280



but it should have just left at regular speed. It83700:37:31.300 --> 00:37:32.900



was still interesting enough.83800:37:33.239 --> 00:37:33.639



Yeah, I know.83900:37:34.670 --> 00:37:36.769



Yeah, it makes it feel like that scene's in a84000:37:36.829 --> 00:37:37.630



totally different movie.84100:37:37.909 --> 00:37:39.510



Yep, agreed, agreed.84200:37:39.769 --> 00:37:40.190



Anything else?84300:37:40.570 --> 00:37:42.670



Yes, actually, I have quite a few. As much as84400:37:42.710 --> 00:37:43.929



I enjoyed this movie, I have quite a few.84500:37:43.949 --> 00:37:44.219



More Vlad?84600:37:45.780 --> 00:37:49.260



Actually, Vlad is in this, but during the final confrontation84700:37:49.300 --> 00:37:51.940



on the college campus, I have so many questions. First84800:37:51.960 --> 00:37:56.280



of all, how does Vlad find Jonathan and Cheryl so easily?84900:37:57.000 --> 00:38:00.369



College campus is big, okay? Number one, I mean, we85000:38:00.389 --> 00:38:02.449



don't know. I mean, apparently Vlad is really good, so85100:38:02.570 --> 00:38:04.449



maybe they were able to search and find out where85200:38:04.469 --> 00:38:06.309



Jonathan went to school. I don't know, whatever. And if85300:38:06.349 --> 00:38:09.269



you see them in the middle of the grounds, why85400:38:09.289 --> 00:38:12.130



do you not get closer to them? There's four of them.85500:38:12.150 --> 00:38:14.389



Why don't you get closer before you shoot? Of course,85600:38:14.409 --> 00:38:17.139



and he misses. Fine, whatever. And like I said, he85700:38:17.159 --> 00:38:19.980



misses again. And then you get multiple shots are fired.85800:38:20.000 --> 00:38:22.599



Vlad shoots, and then his cronies, as they get darted,85900:38:22.659 --> 00:38:26.780



they shoot. No campus security whatsoever. No cops show up.86000:38:27.179 --> 00:38:30.030



I know the scene itself doesn't take very long, but86100:38:30.090 --> 00:38:32.510



I'm pretty sure on a college campus, there'd be a86200:38:32.570 --> 00:38:34.750



cop there pretty quick if there were shots being fired.86300:38:34.929 --> 00:38:37.710



And there's no students. You notice that? They're running through86400:38:37.730 --> 00:38:40.110



the halls and up and down the stairs. Spring break's over.86500:38:40.409 --> 00:38:42.780



Where are the students? And they don't show up until86600:38:43.300 --> 00:38:45.639



after the chase scene's over. And then suddenly, there are86700:38:45.659 --> 00:38:48.219



students again. What? You know, I mean, it was, it86800:38:48.360 --> 00:38:50.820



was out of convenience. There's no students until we need86900:38:50.840 --> 00:38:53.019



a student here till the guy shoots him with the87000:38:53.059 --> 00:38:55.940



gotcha gun, you know, to distract Vlad. So that was87100:38:55.980 --> 00:38:58.920



our first student that shows up during the chasing. I'm like, eh, whatever.87200:38:59.840 --> 00:39:02.119



Maybe it was a weekend. I don't know. But even87300:39:02.190 --> 00:39:06.289



that campus would still have considerable activity, especially that campus.87400:39:06.760 --> 00:39:09.039



I spent three years on a college campus, and there was,87500:39:09.059 --> 00:39:10.059



I mean, you know, on the weekends, there's a lot87600:39:10.079 --> 00:39:12.860



of people walking into classes and walking to different buildings87700:39:12.909 --> 00:39:14.769



and stuff. I don't know. It just seemed like it87800:39:14.809 --> 00:39:17.349



was too convenient, and I don't know.87900:39:17.570 --> 00:39:20.230



Yeah, that's true. The security would have been there, especially88000:39:20.289 --> 00:39:23.610



if someone's falling off a stairwell. Someone finds that body,88100:39:23.670 --> 00:39:27.130



and at that point, someone's called in to do something.88200:39:27.429 --> 00:39:28.849



That's a good call. I didn't even think about that.88300:39:29.389 --> 00:39:29.969



Yeah, that'd be something.88400:39:30.619 --> 00:39:34.110



Yeah, I was just more impressed that Jonathan, under that88500:39:34.190 --> 00:39:37.989



kind of duress, was still nailing everyone with the tranq gun.88600:39:38.429 --> 00:39:40.949



Well, and like you said, they were on his turf.88700:39:41.250 --> 00:39:44.800



So I get it. And I guess that's why we88800:39:44.820 --> 00:39:47.960



have the opening is because we see how easily he88900:39:47.980 --> 00:39:51.260



gets around campus and darts all those other guys and whatever.89000:39:51.280 --> 00:39:52.980



It kind of brings it back. But yeah, he knows89100:39:53.019 --> 00:39:55.780



where he's going and they don't. Fine. But yeah, it89200:39:55.800 --> 00:39:57.760



just seemed a little bit too convenient that nobody was89300:39:57.800 --> 00:40:02.659



around until we needed a distraction for Vlad. So anyway.89400:40:03.059 --> 00:40:03.639



What else do you have?89500:40:04.239 --> 00:40:08.469



All right. So the very final shot, pun intended. Okay.89600:40:08.489 --> 00:40:10.869



Of the movie. Jonathan comes across that stuck up girl89700:40:10.889 --> 00:40:12.909



with the Pepsi can, diet Pepsi cans. Okay. From the89800:40:13.030 --> 00:40:15.530



opening of the movie. And of course, once again, she89900:40:15.849 --> 00:40:18.710



dismisses him and he's like, really? He pulls out the90000:40:18.750 --> 00:40:21.929



tranquilizer gun and shoots her in the ass. Um, why90100:40:21.949 --> 00:40:22.909



do we need this scene?90200:40:24.340 --> 00:40:24.969



It's, and.90300:40:25.659 --> 00:40:28.800



He just was involved in like he literally used that90400:40:28.880 --> 00:40:33.739



dart gun to dart for Russian spies and the cops90500:40:33.760 --> 00:40:34.599



are going to let him keep it.90600:40:34.820 --> 00:40:37.239



Isn't it evidence? Yes, that is evidence.90700:40:39.110 --> 00:40:41.710



That scene was complete. The movie would have felt better90800:40:41.849 --> 00:40:44.510



ending on the kiss between Sasha and Jonathan. We don't90900:40:44.550 --> 00:40:46.869



need that scene at all. It is completely pointless and useless.91000:40:47.349 --> 00:40:49.829



Yeah, because, I mean, that girl then gets tranked and91100:40:49.869 --> 00:40:52.469



then she falls, splits her head open, and then Jonathan's91200:40:52.530 --> 00:40:52.949



in jail.91300:40:53.010 --> 00:40:56.110



I'm pretty sure he's going to jail. It's assault. There's91400:40:56.170 --> 00:40:57.449



no two ways about it, man.91500:40:57.510 --> 00:41:04.139



Yeah, it's assault. We'll end it there. That's a good91600:41:04.199 --> 00:41:06.030



one to end it on. All right, time to move91700:41:06.090 --> 00:41:08.889



on to Hey, It's That Actor. So in this segment,91800:41:08.929 --> 00:41:11.530



we spotlight a character actor you have seen in many91900:41:11.570 --> 00:41:14.460



other films, an actor making their big screen debut, or92000:41:14.480 --> 00:41:17.840



an actor that makes an uncredited cameo. It's Hey, It's92100:41:17.860 --> 00:41:20.420



That Actor. Dayton, who's your choice for Hey, It's That Actor?92200:41:20.860 --> 00:41:24.570



All right, so the one I chose has numerous TV appearances,92300:41:24.869 --> 00:41:28.880



NYPD Blue, Roseanne, Home Improvement, just name a few. He92400:41:28.920 --> 00:41:32.869



appears in Hot Shots Part 2, Saving Private Ryan, Presumed Innocent,92500:41:33.030 --> 00:41:35.349



and The War of the Roses, but you probably know92600:41:35.369 --> 00:41:37.269



him best as the dean in Revenge of the Nerds92700:41:37.389 --> 00:41:41.300



is David Wall as the vet professor. Quite a career.92800:41:41.340 --> 00:41:42.980



I looked him up because I knew I recognized him.92900:41:43.019 --> 00:41:44.599



I'm like, oh my God, I've seen him in that.93000:41:44.679 --> 00:41:45.900



I've seen him in that. I've seen him in that.93100:41:46.179 --> 00:41:47.980



He's not in a lot of scenes in his movies,93200:41:48.000 --> 00:41:50.860



but that's a huge list of films he's been in.93300:41:50.960 --> 00:41:52.380



I mean, in TV shows. So yeah.93400:41:52.719 --> 00:41:52.900



Yeah.93500:41:52.980 --> 00:41:55.960



He was in Revenge of the Nerds with Anthony Edwards93600:41:55.980 --> 00:41:58.840



the year prior. So that's, you know, same director too.93700:41:58.929 --> 00:42:01.050



So they were kind of a little click, I guess.93800:42:01.090 --> 00:42:01.889



But yeah, David Wall.93900:42:01.909 --> 00:42:04.269



All right. So I'm going to use the other actor94000:42:04.550 --> 00:42:06.929



also from Revenge of the Nerds. And did you catch94100:42:07.030 --> 00:42:08.550



the Robert Carradine cameo?94200:42:09.050 --> 00:42:10.849



No, I missed it. I read about it. I keep94300:42:10.889 --> 00:42:11.309



missing it.94400:42:11.869 --> 00:42:16.280



Okay. So, of course, Robert Carradine co-starred with Anthony Edwards94500:42:16.320 --> 00:42:19.460



in Revenge of the Nerds, which was directed by Mr. Canoe.94600:42:19.820 --> 00:42:24.840



So in the opening scene, when we see Jonathan's target94700:42:25.280 --> 00:42:29.409



and he's walking away from camera, there's people that are94800:42:29.469 --> 00:42:32.610



passing him. And there's a guy who passes on the94900:42:32.710 --> 00:42:35.710



left side of the screen. He's got the white open shirt.95000:42:36.210 --> 00:42:39.469



That is Robert Carradine. And he just walks through, and95100:42:39.510 --> 00:42:41.320



that is it. So that's where he is. He's in95200:42:41.340 --> 00:42:42.760



the very beginning of the movie.95300:42:43.800 --> 00:42:44.280



That's fun.95400:42:44.320 --> 00:42:44.400



Yeah.95500:42:44.559 --> 00:42:45.059



That's fun.95600:42:45.500 --> 00:42:47.440



It took me until the second watch to catch him.95700:42:47.820 --> 00:42:49.380



Yeah, I will look for it now. I will go95800:42:49.480 --> 00:42:50.860



check it out right after we're done with this. I'll95900:42:50.880 --> 00:42:52.179



go pop the DVD in and check.96000:42:52.760 --> 00:42:55.969



Yeah, he's trying to do like this whole John Travolta96100:42:56.280 --> 00:42:59.170



Saturday Night Fever thing with the open shirt and trying96200:42:59.190 --> 00:43:02.289



to look all cool. But yeah, it's very brief. He96300:43:02.309 --> 00:43:04.610



just walks through screen, and that is it.96400:43:04.969 --> 00:43:06.510



Oh, that's so funny. That's so funny.96500:43:06.849 --> 00:43:09.340



That was kind of cool that he made a quick96600:43:09.380 --> 00:43:11.820



appearance in that one. All right, time to move on96700:43:11.880 --> 00:43:14.099



to facts and trivia. What are some fun facts or96800:43:14.119 --> 00:43:17.159



trivia we can share to our audience about Gotcha?96900:43:17.659 --> 00:43:19.559



All right, well, the first thing I have is that,97000:43:19.599 --> 00:43:22.880



of course, the filmmakers were not allowed into East Berlin97100:43:23.059 --> 00:43:25.340



to shoot the scenes that take place in East Berlin.97200:43:25.519 --> 00:43:29.300



So they actually built a replica of the Berlin Wall,97300:43:29.340 --> 00:43:32.239



that area, that whole thing, an exact replica like 10,97400:43:32.239 --> 00:43:36.570



15 feet away from from the actual location to use97500:43:36.949 --> 00:43:39.150



as the wall because they weren't allowed to go in there.97600:43:39.190 --> 00:43:42.250



So they actually had to build their own thing on97700:43:42.289 --> 00:43:45.010



the other side. So it looks good. I mean, I97800:43:45.210 --> 00:43:46.320



bought it, you know.97900:43:46.340 --> 00:43:50.099



I did too. And supposedly there's that tower with the,98000:43:50.179 --> 00:43:53.300



with the troops up there. That's an actual troop tower.98100:43:53.699 --> 00:43:54.079



Gotcha.98200:43:54.139 --> 00:43:56.440



Okay. Right. That is in there. That's how close they are.98300:43:56.659 --> 00:43:57.900



Yeah. They're like right there.98400:43:57.920 --> 00:44:01.289



Yeah. Yeah. So everyone else on the ground at the98500:44:01.309 --> 00:44:03.949



checkpoint is, uh, actors, but yeah.98600:44:04.010 --> 00:44:04.210



Right.98700:44:04.409 --> 00:44:07.750



The soldiers up there are real East Berlin soldiers. That98800:44:07.789 --> 00:44:09.809



was pretty cool when I saw that. This was a98900:44:09.829 --> 00:44:12.690



funny scene. Supposedly, this is something that happened to Jeff Canoe,99000:44:12.769 --> 00:44:14.150



and this is why it made it into the movie.99100:44:14.360 --> 00:44:17.199



So we have Kari Lizzer, who plays Muffy. That's the99200:44:17.239 --> 00:44:19.960



girl that Anthony asks out, and it's like, you would99300:44:20.000 --> 00:44:22.960



rather stay home than go out with me? Well, she99400:44:23.000 --> 00:44:25.380



had a bunch of acting credits in the 80s, but99500:44:25.460 --> 00:44:28.659



her biggest success came behind the camera. She went on99600:44:28.679 --> 00:44:32.510



to become an Emmy-nominated writer and producer on Will & Grace.99700:44:33.170 --> 00:44:35.730



and later created the hit sitcom The New Adventures of99800:44:35.769 --> 00:44:39.809



Old Christine, starring Julia Louise Dreyfuss. She also wrote episodes99900:44:39.849 --> 00:44:43.010



for shows such as Empty Nest, Boston Common, and Honey,100000:44:43.090 --> 00:44:43.699



I Shrunk the Kids.100100:44:44.300 --> 00:44:44.760



Wow.100200:44:45.179 --> 00:44:45.380



Yeah.100300:44:45.599 --> 00:44:47.380



It's always cool when you see people like that that100400:44:47.400 --> 00:44:49.039



start out in front of the camera, then they kind100500:44:49.099 --> 00:44:52.219



of take what they've learned and then work successful behind100600:44:52.239 --> 00:44:54.019



the camera. So that's awesome. I didn't see that. That's really,100700:44:54.039 --> 00:44:54.500



really cool.100800:44:54.860 --> 00:44:55.480



That's very cool.100900:44:55.960 --> 00:44:57.760



Good for her. Apparently she found something to do instead101000:44:57.800 --> 00:44:59.219



of going to dinner with Jonathan.101100:44:59.599 --> 00:45:02.619



There you go. I have to stay home and write.101200:45:03.019 --> 00:45:05.730



Yes, I have to stay home and write some TV shows,101300:45:06.989 --> 00:45:10.699



which is a much better reason. But anyway. So yeah, originally,101400:45:11.260 --> 00:45:14.559



director Jeff Canu initially sought a European-born actress for the101500:45:14.579 --> 00:45:18.059



role of Sasha, which makes sense. Can appreciate that. Czechoslovakian,101600:45:18.079 --> 00:45:20.340



want to get a European girl, makes sense. But he101700:45:20.400 --> 00:45:22.699



saw an early cut of Vision Quest and was immediately101800:45:22.739 --> 00:45:25.699



taken with Linda Fiorentino. It was like, okay, yeah, I101900:45:25.739 --> 00:45:29.969



want her. Well, to avoid any kind of backlash of102000:45:30.010 --> 00:45:33.650



hiring an American woman to play a Czechoslovakian woman, they102100:45:33.690 --> 00:45:36.829



rewrote the third act to have the reveal of Sasha...102200:45:36.909 --> 00:45:40.050



being cheryl so good way to overcome that but yeah102300:45:40.090 --> 00:45:42.170



it's nice to know that back in the 80s you102400:45:42.210 --> 00:45:45.889



know they're trying not to whitewash something which is not102500:45:46.010 --> 00:45:49.469



usually the case so i can appreciate that i can102600:45:49.489 --> 00:45:50.849



appreciate that very much.102700:45:51.610 --> 00:45:53.969



Well it's funny because i did hear an interview with102800:45:54.070 --> 00:45:57.329



jeff canoe and the reason he was watching vision quest102900:45:57.469 --> 00:46:00.050



is because the studio wanted him to watch it for103000:46:00.150 --> 00:46:04.030



matthew modine right to play the lead and instead he103100:46:04.090 --> 00:46:06.489



saw her and was like wait a second I'd rather103200:46:06.550 --> 00:46:10.210



have her in my movie than Matthew. So that worked out.103300:46:10.650 --> 00:46:12.250



Yeah. Worked out for all of us, I guess.103400:46:12.610 --> 00:46:18.349



Yep. So the college campus featured throughout Gotcha is UCLA,103500:46:18.769 --> 00:46:23.030



with several scenes filmed at the university's iconic Drake Stadium.103600:46:23.269 --> 00:46:28.539



Opened in 1969, the stadium was renamed in 1973 to103700:46:28.619 --> 00:46:33.639



honor Elvin C. Ducky Drake, a legendary UCLA athlete, track coach,103800:46:33.880 --> 00:46:37.309



and athletic trainer who who dedicated more than 60 years103900:46:37.409 --> 00:46:40.030



to the university. Drake's impact on the sport was so104000:46:40.090 --> 00:46:43.829



significant that he's been inducted into multiple Hall of Fames,104100:46:44.219 --> 00:46:47.460



including the National Track and Field Hall of Fame. And104200:46:47.500 --> 00:46:51.059



just so you know, when they had that scene with104300:46:51.159 --> 00:46:54.219



Jonathan on the track with Bonolo, and it was like, wow,104400:46:54.260 --> 00:46:56.599



that track looks really run down. If you look at104500:46:56.639 --> 00:46:59.550



it now, it's gorgeous. They redid the track, so it104600:46:59.570 --> 00:47:05.860



represents the UCLA blue. It's really a gorgeous stadium now. Nice.104700:47:06.639 --> 00:47:09.460



So earlier, we've obviously talked about the gotcha game and104800:47:09.480 --> 00:47:11.679



the paintball. As we said, this was the first film104900:47:12.239 --> 00:47:15.539



that used paintball as a tool, as a prop or whatever.105000:47:15.699 --> 00:47:18.659



And then the next James Bond film, A View to105100:47:18.699 --> 00:47:21.320



a Kill, had a training scene in the movie that105200:47:21.619 --> 00:47:24.139



featured a paintball gun as well. So I think that105300:47:24.179 --> 00:47:27.039



was their way of trying to get more paintball. Because105400:47:27.420 --> 00:47:28.699



I'm like, okay, cool.105500:47:28.739 --> 00:47:29.099



Why not?105600:47:31.360 --> 00:47:33.119



I always wanted to do paintball, but I've always been105700:47:33.199 --> 00:47:35.880



too afraid that it's going to hurt. Yeah. To be honest.105800:47:36.050 --> 00:47:37.519



I've never done it either. I was going to ask105900:47:37.539 --> 00:47:38.920



you that later on.106000:47:39.139 --> 00:47:43.039



Yeah, there's actually a paintball course right down the road106100:47:43.079 --> 00:47:45.219



from me. And I just never get enough people to106200:47:45.260 --> 00:47:47.460



go with me. And I'll do it if enough people go.106300:47:47.519 --> 00:47:48.719



But I'm pretty sure it's going to hurt.106400:47:48.739 --> 00:47:52.519



Yeah, it seems like every time there's a group that's106500:47:52.559 --> 00:47:54.619



going to do it, I have something else. So I've106600:47:54.679 --> 00:47:56.960



always just kind of missed out. The other movie I106700:47:56.980 --> 00:47:58.719



always kind of remember, it's one of the Friday the106800:47:58.739 --> 00:48:02.460



13th sets. There's a scene when they're in there playing paintball.106900:48:02.480 --> 00:48:04.789



And then Jason comes through and just hacks everybody up.107000:48:05.239 --> 00:48:06.940



I stopped watching the Friday the 13th movies after the107100:48:06.960 --> 00:48:14.590



third one. So I'm out. I'm no help. All right.107200:48:14.650 --> 00:48:17.670



So the exciting chase sequence near the end of it107300:48:17.690 --> 00:48:21.090



was filmed at the real Spandau Hotel in Berlin, built107400:48:21.110 --> 00:48:26.510



between 1559 and 1594. This massive Renaissance fortress is one107500:48:26.550 --> 00:48:31.739



of the best preserved military fortifications in Europe, originally constructed107600:48:31.780 --> 00:48:35.500



to defend the town of Spandau. The Citadel now serves107700:48:35.659 --> 00:48:39.110



as a museum and popular tourist attraction, giving the film107800:48:39.139 --> 00:48:43.110



an authentic Cold War era backdrop. Nice.107900:48:44.150 --> 00:48:46.010



I'd like to go sometime. I've never been to Europe.108000:48:46.210 --> 00:48:46.989



No, I haven't either.108100:48:47.210 --> 00:48:48.349



That's what I would love to do, actually go to108200:48:48.429 --> 00:48:50.570



Europe and go to different film sites.108300:48:51.050 --> 00:48:52.130



Oh yeah, definitely, definitely.108400:48:52.409 --> 00:48:54.269



I'm not necessarily there for the castles unless a movie108500:48:54.289 --> 00:48:55.989



was shot there, because that's the kind of nerd I am.108600:48:58.329 --> 00:49:01.360



So real quick, I want to mention the... Pickup line108700:49:01.400 --> 00:49:03.780



that Jonathan tries to use on the French girl in108800:49:03.820 --> 00:49:06.639



Paris when they're walking across the street is a line108900:49:06.679 --> 00:49:10.409



from the song Lady Marmalade from LaBelle. So he says it.109000:49:10.409 --> 00:49:13.829



I'm like, wait a minute. And then the song instantly109100:49:13.829 --> 00:49:16.650



gets in my head. I'm like, hey, I know that one.109200:49:16.650 --> 00:49:19.170



I don't know what she, what he's saying. I don't109300:49:19.190 --> 00:49:21.329



know what she says in the song either, but I'm like, ah,109400:49:21.449 --> 00:49:23.110



I know that one. I think that was a fun,109500:49:23.289 --> 00:49:24.030



a nice little touch.109600:49:24.650 --> 00:49:27.449



Nice. Right. So let's move on to box office. So109700:49:27.570 --> 00:49:29.619



gotcha hit theaters on May 3rd, 1985 opening in 1,218109800:49:29.619 --> 00:49:38.130



screens across North America. Produced on an estimated budget of $ 12. 5 million,109900:49:38.530 --> 00:49:42.599



the movie earned $ 10. 8 million during its theatrical run. The110000:49:42.619 --> 00:49:44.780



film opened in the number three spot at the box office,110100:49:45.000 --> 00:49:47.619



trailing Just One of the Guys and the new Chuck110200:49:47.659 --> 00:49:50.440



Norris movie, Code of Silence. Gotcha remained in the top110300:49:50.500 --> 00:49:53.219



ten for four weeks and even climbed to number two110400:49:53.260 --> 00:49:55.920



on its third weekend before dropping hard at the box110500:49:55.980 --> 00:49:59.159



office to make way for summer movies. Gotcha ended up110600:49:59.199 --> 00:50:01.889



being the 76th highest grossing movie in the United States,110700:50:02.260 --> 00:50:05.329



just ahead of another Chuck Norris movie missing in action110800:50:05.429 --> 00:50:09.070



to the beginning. Then moving on to reviews. When growing110900:50:09.110 --> 00:50:11.019



up in the 80s, we would watch At The Movies111000:50:11.039 --> 00:50:13.159



with Gene Siskel and Roger Ebert to hear their reviews111100:50:13.260 --> 00:50:17.019



and watch clips of upcoming movies. Their review of Gotcha111200:50:17.079 --> 00:50:22.400



was unanimous. Two thumbs down. Roderick called it a respectable111300:50:22.679 --> 00:50:25.579



film that lacks the fire, the passion, and even the111400:50:25.639 --> 00:50:29.059



humor we might expect from this material. Gene thought the111500:50:29.099 --> 00:50:33.159



movie was too lightweight to recommend, but Jeff Canu does111600:50:33.199 --> 00:50:36.860



direct some good chase scenes. Roderick thought the movie focused111700:50:36.920 --> 00:50:40.019



too much on the wrong character, and Linda Fiorentino should111800:50:40.059 --> 00:50:42.239



have been given more to do. Kind of what you said.111900:50:42.460 --> 00:50:45.679



Rotten Tomatoes gives it a tomato meter score of 31%,112000:50:45.679 --> 00:50:49.099



with a popcorn meter score of 54%. It also has112100:50:49.159 --> 00:50:53.500



an IMDb rating of 6.2. So this takes us to112200:50:53.559 --> 00:50:57.039



additional thoughts and questions. So before we wrap things up112300:50:57.079 --> 00:50:59.769



here for this week's episode, are there any additional thoughts,112400:51:00.130 --> 00:51:01.909



questions you want to share?112500:51:02.449 --> 00:51:06.329



Yeah. Would you trust Cheryl slash Sasha at this point112600:51:06.369 --> 00:51:10.110



if you're Jonathan at the end of the movie? I'm like, hmm.112700:51:11.170 --> 00:51:14.170



After I was being shot at, that might be a112800:51:14.190 --> 00:51:15.030



deal breaker right there.112900:51:15.710 --> 00:51:17.900



Yeah, a little bit. And where was her, where was113000:51:17.940 --> 00:51:20.579



her sidearm? Her buddies, you know, the CIA had a gun.113100:51:20.599 --> 00:51:22.780



Why didn't she have one? You know, she didn't seem113200:51:22.820 --> 00:51:23.190



to pull it out.113300:51:23.199 --> 00:51:23.960



That's a good question.113400:51:24.019 --> 00:51:25.639



You know, I mean, at the end they're being chased.113500:51:26.159 --> 00:51:28.659



She literally, literally turns into the damsel in distress during113600:51:28.679 --> 00:51:30.880



that last action sequence. I mean, why is that? How113700:51:30.920 --> 00:51:33.239



long has she been an operative? It's like, she's so113800:51:33.380 --> 00:51:36.300



willing to, or quick to snag this guy, but she113900:51:36.340 --> 00:51:39.420



doesn't do anything to defend herself. Once the, I don't know.114000:51:39.519 --> 00:51:41.500



It just seemed to didn't make sense, but yeah, I114100:51:41.940 --> 00:51:42.920



don't know. Where was her gun?114200:51:43.340 --> 00:51:47.489



Yeah, she should show some CIA chops for sure. Oh,114300:51:47.500 --> 00:51:50.219



that's a good point. I like that one. So Jeff114400:51:50.239 --> 00:51:55.070



Canu has a voice cameo in the movie. He is114500:51:55.190 --> 00:51:59.309



the FBI operator that's on the payphone with Jonathan. Nice.114600:51:59.329 --> 00:52:01.269



That's him. If you want to know what Jeff Canu114700:52:01.309 --> 00:52:04.550



sounds like, listen to that scene. Outside of that, yeah,114800:52:04.570 --> 00:52:07.010



we've already discussed you've never done the paintball thing and114900:52:07.159 --> 00:52:09.559



never been to Europe. So do you have anything else?115000:52:10.010 --> 00:52:13.550



Actually, I was kind of curious. Jonathan reads all the time.115100:52:13.869 --> 00:52:15.570



The whole thing, the reason we want to go to115200:52:15.650 --> 00:52:18.730



Europe is there we kind of follow in Hemingway's footsteps115300:52:18.869 --> 00:52:21.389



and things like that. Why is he becoming a vet?115400:52:21.650 --> 00:52:24.230



He loves to read. He loves Hemingway. Why not be115500:52:24.269 --> 00:52:26.150



a writer? He's a nerd in other ways. He loves115600:52:26.170 --> 00:52:28.849



gotcha and everything. He loves doing these things. But being115700:52:28.889 --> 00:52:32.269



a vet just doesn't seem to make sense with his hobbies.115800:52:32.550 --> 00:52:35.429



So I don't know. It feels like his parents are115900:52:35.449 --> 00:52:37.449



forcing him to be a vet instead of something he116000:52:37.510 --> 00:52:39.909



actually wants to do. I mean, it doesn't really change116100:52:39.929 --> 00:52:41.530



a lot, but I still kind of find it. It116200:52:41.570 --> 00:52:43.289



seems like the only reason he's going to be a116300:52:43.349 --> 00:52:45.880



vet is so he can have access to the tranquilizer116400:52:45.889 --> 00:52:46.860



dart at the end of the movie.116500:52:47.280 --> 00:52:49.019



Yeah, that's a good point. He should have been reading116600:52:49.099 --> 00:52:53.360



more nerdy biology of animal books or something.116700:52:53.920 --> 00:52:55.800



There's no pets at his parents' house either.116800:52:55.820 --> 00:52:57.139



Oh, that's a good call.116900:52:57.519 --> 00:52:59.079



So it just seems like it was.117000:52:59.159 --> 00:53:01.059



Yeah, he doesn't own one either. Yeah.117100:53:01.079 --> 00:53:02.139



I don't know.117200:53:02.599 --> 00:53:06.409



Yeah, I like that. I got nothing. I think I'm117300:53:06.429 --> 00:53:08.219



totally agreeing with that. That makes sense. You would think117400:53:08.260 --> 00:53:11.539



someone wants to be a veterinarian. Because, yeah, my cousin,117500:53:11.860 --> 00:53:17.340



she's a veterinarian. Yeah, she had everything under the sun. Rabbits, turtles, fish, dogs, cats.117600:53:17.820 --> 00:53:19.159



They're true animal lovers.117700:53:19.690 --> 00:53:21.750



It just seems like he's doing it because his parents117800:53:21.849 --> 00:53:24.960



want him to do something worthwhile instead of being a writer, maybe.117900:53:25.260 --> 00:53:26.739



And that would have been a nice little dynamic to118000:53:26.760 --> 00:53:29.280



see with the family. Anyway, it just seems like his118100:53:29.500 --> 00:53:32.019



hobbies have nothing to do with what he's going into,118200:53:32.099 --> 00:53:34.719



which happens. I get that. But, you know, you're in118300:53:34.739 --> 00:53:36.280



a movie. You have a chance to write this character118400:53:36.340 --> 00:53:38.809



like you want to write it. Let's do it, you know?118500:53:39.650 --> 00:53:42.090



Yeah, he kind of almost went the Romancing the Stone118600:53:42.369 --> 00:53:45.769



route where he writes spy novel stuff and now he's118700:53:45.829 --> 00:53:48.780



caught up in one. And it could end up being118800:53:48.820 --> 00:53:53.070



a basis for maybe something he has to write for school. Yeah.118900:53:53.409 --> 00:53:54.570



Like I said, it just seems he was a vet119000:53:54.610 --> 00:53:56.909



so he can have access to the tranq gun. But whatever.119100:53:56.929 --> 00:54:01.250



Yeah. So time to give this movie a rating. So119200:54:01.269 --> 00:54:03.969



we use a five star rating system with zero stars119300:54:04.010 --> 00:54:06.519



being the worst and five stars being the best. And119400:54:06.699 --> 00:54:09.900



half star increments are allowed. And Dayton, you picked our119500:54:09.940 --> 00:54:12.639



movie today. So it might be safe to assume that119600:54:12.699 --> 00:54:16.099



you gave this movie decent marks. But let's see if119700:54:16.260 --> 00:54:19.630



I agreed. So, Dave, what is your rating of Gotcha?119800:54:20.190 --> 00:54:22.809



Okay, so it's a five on the nostalgia meter for119900:54:22.849 --> 00:54:26.449



sure because I remember loving it so much when I120000:54:26.489 --> 00:54:29.639



was a kid and the whole Gotcha idea, the Gotcha game.120100:54:29.909 --> 00:54:33.599



But as I'm now older and I hadn't watched it120200:54:33.619 --> 00:54:35.389



in a very long time and I still enjoyed it.120300:54:35.539 --> 00:54:37.780



Please don't misunderstand. I did enjoy it. But now watching120400:54:37.800 --> 00:54:39.679



it with more of a critical eye and I can120500:54:39.699 --> 00:54:42.639



sit there and go, yeah, this is not a well-made movie.120600:54:43.380 --> 00:54:46.889



And as we noticed before, it's like, There are plenty120700:54:46.909 --> 00:54:50.769



of examples of films that can successfully combine genres. And120800:54:50.889 --> 00:54:52.210



you can have, like I said, you can have humor120900:54:52.230 --> 00:54:54.590



in a spy thriller. You can have humor in action121000:54:54.750 --> 00:54:57.699



films or whatever. It just kind of feels like Canoe121100:54:57.719 --> 00:54:59.719



was trying to make three or four different movies into121200:54:59.980 --> 00:55:03.780



one whatever. But even though I do enjoy this movie,121300:55:04.119 --> 00:55:06.019



I think I'm giving it two and a half stars.121400:55:06.880 --> 00:55:08.800



I am in total agreement with you. I gave it121500:55:08.820 --> 00:55:09.730



two and a half also.121600:55:10.309 --> 00:55:10.590



Okay.121700:55:10.929 --> 00:55:13.250



Like you, I think it just doesn't find that tone121800:55:13.289 --> 00:55:17.590



that it needs. I wasn't expecting much re-watching this because121900:55:17.829 --> 00:55:20.010



I had only seen it the one time. I was like, eh, whatever.122000:55:20.030 --> 00:55:22.360



I was a little surprised. I think I liked it122100:55:22.380 --> 00:55:26.119



a little bit more than I thought. Yeah. With you, like,122200:55:26.360 --> 00:55:28.780



your nostalgia was a five. Mine might have been like122300:55:28.960 --> 00:55:33.159



one and a half, two. But I certainly like the122400:55:33.219 --> 00:55:35.960



fact that they filmed this on location. And I think122500:55:36.139 --> 00:55:38.280



that's one of the reasons to buy Anthony Edwards that122600:55:38.300 --> 00:55:40.250



I'm giving this script. I'm like, wait, I get to122700:55:40.349 --> 00:55:44.250



film in France and Europe? Sign me up. So... I122800:55:44.289 --> 00:55:48.349



can certainly see why they would agree to this. You know,122900:55:48.369 --> 00:55:52.289



worst case scenario, hey, I got to spend some time overseas. Right.123000:55:52.590 --> 00:55:54.369



There really is no tone. The fact that the movie123100:55:54.409 --> 00:55:56.550



is called Gotcha and it's supposed to be based on123200:55:56.869 --> 00:56:01.170



this new sweeping craze and it's not really integrated into123300:56:01.190 --> 00:56:04.530



the movie, it just doesn't work. Just be a straight123400:56:04.550 --> 00:56:05.280



up spy thriller.123500:56:05.719 --> 00:56:06.260



Yeah.123600:56:06.429 --> 00:56:07.219



Just do it that way.123700:56:07.659 --> 00:56:11.079



There's enough moments and things in here that make it entertaining,123800:56:11.500 --> 00:56:13.559



but on the whole, it's missing. Right.123900:56:13.989 --> 00:56:17.369



Yeah, but maybe when I cut out maybe an additional124000:56:17.409 --> 00:56:19.710



five to eight minutes out of it, but I did124100:56:19.849 --> 00:56:23.760



enjoy Linda Fiorentino a lot. It's one of her earlier roles.124200:56:24.219 --> 00:56:27.719



Like if you asked me like name earliest Linda Fiorentino movie,124300:56:28.000 --> 00:56:29.639



I think I would have skipped this Envision quest. I124400:56:29.659 --> 00:56:32.530



think when I went to– that movie came out in 1990.124500:56:32.519 --> 00:56:34.579



I can't think of it now. So maybe I wouldn't124600:56:34.599 --> 00:56:36.719



have said that either because I can't even think of it.124700:56:36.719 --> 00:56:37.920



See, there was The Last Seduction.124800:56:37.940 --> 00:56:39.619



The Last Seduction, correct.124900:56:39.780 --> 00:56:43.179



Dogma, Men in Black. I mean the 90s were her decade. Yeah,125000:56:43.219 --> 00:56:46.190



they really were. Yeah, she really nailed the 90s very125100:56:46.230 --> 00:56:47.250



much so. But yeah.125200:56:47.550 --> 00:56:50.730



Yeah, she's got that great voice too. So yeah, I'm125300:56:50.829 --> 00:56:52.690



totally agreeing with you. Two and a half for me.125400:56:53.449 --> 00:56:55.190



So Dayton, thanks so much for being on our show.125500:56:55.210 --> 00:56:57.929



I wanted to take a moment to plug your excellent125600:56:57.949 --> 00:57:00.869



podcast and let the audience know where they can listen125700:57:00.889 --> 00:57:01.079



to you.125800:57:01.510 --> 00:57:04.889



All right. Well, we are available on– all your favorite125900:57:04.929 --> 00:57:08.769



podcast platforms. So whatever you're using, we can be found there.126000:57:08.909 --> 00:57:11.889



We also are on Facebook, Twitter, and Blue Sky. If126100:57:11.909 --> 00:57:14.110



you want to chat with us, we usually do a126200:57:14.159 --> 00:57:17.239



daily post on what's coming out soon or what came out.126300:57:17.800 --> 00:57:20.820



Anytime we have a new YouTube video or a new126400:57:21.260 --> 00:57:23.599



Patreon episode, we post it there. And yes, we have126500:57:23.639 --> 00:57:27.099



a Patreon. We usually do one original episode per month126600:57:27.500 --> 00:57:30.420



for our patron members. And then we also, when I126700:57:30.460 --> 00:57:33.769



get time, we'll drop unedited video of episodes to kind126800:57:33.789 --> 00:57:37.010



of see behind the scenes and see us make mistakes126900:57:37.050 --> 00:57:39.469



and laugh at each other, things like that. And yes,127000:57:39.530 --> 00:57:41.730



we also have a YouTube channel. Every Friday, we drop127100:57:41.750 --> 00:57:43.570



a new video. And when I get a chance, I127200:57:43.590 --> 00:57:45.989



drop some shorts as well. The videos are either a127300:57:46.090 --> 00:57:48.710



top seven from one of our hosts. They get to127400:57:48.750 --> 00:57:50.409



pick their own topics and they do a top seven.127500:57:50.670 --> 00:57:53.250



Anything from I did one of my favorite Iron Maiden127600:57:53.349 --> 00:57:57.909



album covers to my favorite top seven Led Zeppelin songs127700:57:58.309 --> 00:58:02.159



Robert did his favorite coffee mugs, and children's book series.127800:58:02.840 --> 00:58:06.219



Amber did her favorite summer movies. So we do those,127900:58:06.239 --> 00:58:08.320



kind of let the hosts kind of share some of128000:58:08.340 --> 00:58:12.500



the things about themselves. Disney John did his favorite TV shows.128100:58:13.119 --> 00:58:16.260



And then we also do a Versus series where we128200:58:16.280 --> 00:58:18.420



take an original song and compare it to a cover128300:58:18.440 --> 00:58:20.340



version of that song. And that's been a lot of128400:58:20.389 --> 00:58:23.150



fun because I've actually learned things about songs that I128500:58:23.210 --> 00:58:27.260



thought I knew. I was like... the Adobe gray song128600:58:27.300 --> 00:58:29.739



drift away. I thought for sure was the first person128700:58:29.780 --> 00:58:32.619



to do it. Nope. His version was a cover too.128800:58:32.679 --> 00:58:34.119



And I figured that out three days before we were128900:58:34.139 --> 00:58:38.030



actually supposed to record it. Like, Oh wait, we're changing this. So, uh, yeah,129000:58:38.090 --> 00:58:41.929



that's been a fun, fun little experience. And, uh, so yeah, new, uh,129100:58:42.030 --> 00:58:44.829



new YouTube videos every Friday as well. So there is129200:58:44.989 --> 00:58:48.440



plenty of content for docking base 77 out there for129300:58:48.480 --> 00:58:49.920



you guys. Awesome.129400:58:50.280 --> 00:58:52.820



Well, that wraps up this week's episode of the All129500:58:52.840 --> 00:58:55.159



80s Movies Podcast. Thank you so much for spending part129600:58:55.199 --> 00:58:56.820



of your day with us. And a huge thank you129700:58:56.840 --> 00:58:59.829



to Dayton for joining the show. Be sure, again, to129800:58:59.869 --> 00:59:04.170



check out the Docking Bay 77 podcast for even more129900:59:04.329 --> 00:59:08.030



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