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Hello and welcome to.
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The All 80s Movies Podcast, the podcast where we talk
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about the blockbusters, the flops, and everything in between. Did
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you die in this house, Joseph? Why won't you leave
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this house, Joseph? the 1980s supernatural horror movie The Changeling.
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It was produced by Chessman Park Productions and distributed by
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Pan-Canadian Film Distributors. The movie stars George C. Scott and
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Trish Vanderveer. Directed by Peter Marek, this movie is rated
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R with a running time of 1 hour and 47 minutes. So,
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what is this movie about? What's on the box? If
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you grew up in the 1980s and went to your
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local video store to rent this movie, you would find
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this description on the back of the VHS box. It
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is what's on the box. Take it away, Patrick.
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Here is an award-winning feature that boldly mixes a frightful
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ghost story with a great suspense plot and keeps you
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guessing all the way. George C. Scott and Trish Vanderveer
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star in a thriller that challenges the viewer to solve
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its mysteries. It's a haunted house adventure complete with seances,
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nocturnal grave diggings, ghostly spirits, and an ancient puzzle jealously
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guarded by a devious man, Academy Award winner Melvin Douglas.
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Scott is splendid as the man who becomes an unwilling
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instrument of a ghost's revenge and learns to trust no one.
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Yearly entwining a detective story with the mystery of the supernatural,
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The Changeling delivers solid entertainment and a frightening good time.
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How was that?
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Very good. The Changeling.
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I have a question before we move on. What box
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did you get that from? Is that actually like the
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original 80s VHS box?
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I looked up a couple, and that was the one
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that came up the majority of the time. So I'm
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guessing it came from the original box.
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Because that is a mouthful.
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Yes. And most of the VHS boxes from the early 80s.
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Yeah.
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They didn't get that down yet. That one is kind
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of rough.
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I was like, what is this? I don't know if
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anybody would rent that if they read that in the
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back of the box. I know.
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It is what it is. But Patrick, thank you so
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much for being here again. Patrick was our guest on
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our show back in season three, discussed Silent Night, Deadly Night,
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and was part of our season four 80s high school
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comedy cast draft with this fictional movie, Plymouth Rocked. If
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you haven't already, please check out that episode. And Patrick,
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I think I got the most responses from the Plymouth Rocked.
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I think that was the overall favorite.
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When you say responses... Are you seeing an actual message
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board or something below the podcast where you see responses?
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Some of it was on social media and some of
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it was people that emailed in just about the episode itself.
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That's hilarious. Did they were like, please make sure Plymouth
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Rock never gets made? Was that the response?
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No, that was one of their favorites. They liked that one.
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Listen, I'm very proud of that film. And maybe one day,
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if the All 80s Movie Podcast ventures into crowdsourcing a
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feature film, maybe that's the one that we go with.
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We bring back Marwan and Chris Massick. We all play
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teachers and we make that movie.
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Fingers crossed. We can make that happen.
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Yeah, that'd be great.
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All right. So Patrick, let's talk about the movie you selected.
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Do you remember the first time you saw the changeling?
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I don't remember when I first saw it, but I
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will say that I saw it later in life because, uh,
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I think it had been recommended to me by another
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horror filmmaker who loved this movie. And, uh, I think
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I'd seen the poster, the very famous one with the wheelchair,
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the sort of really crazy medieval medical wheelchair, but I'd
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never seen the film. So it's only within the last
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like five or six years that I'd seen this movie.
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But I remember when I saw it, I was like,
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just the first five minutes of the film, I I'm
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assuming we can do spoilers on this podcast, right? Of course.
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Well, I guess I say that because do people who
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listen to this podcast, I would say generally probably know
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the movies because you cover like big 80s movies that
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people love. But have you found that people have discovered
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movies from your podcast that they might not have seen before?
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We have a little bit of everything. Some of our
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younger listeners will say, oh, I never heard about that
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movie before. I never watched it before. And the way
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that we talked about it on our podcast made them
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watch it.
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Okay. I only say that because I don't think people go,
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that changed. What a great 80s movie, even though it
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is from 1980. I know it doesn't fall under 80s
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movie genre. So I just want to make sure that
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we talk. If we're good on spoilers, I assume we were,
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then that's fine. But I think when I first saw it,
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I was so moved and blown away, especially in that
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opening scene, which sets off the story of loss and grief.
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And then it just, that title card comes up over
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like a howling wind. It's such great atmosphere. And I
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was really hooked from that point on. And then I just,
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it just kind of went into that. So I was
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really drawn to the movie, but it was only recently
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that I saw this film. So I can't say I
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was like a kid who grew up on this, like
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on an HBO late night kind of situation. This was
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a recent one I saw on a streamer and then
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I just loved it.
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Yeah, this is the first time for me. And I'm
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glad that you did pick this because when I started
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doing this podcast, of course, you immerse yourself in 80s movies.
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And all of a sudden, this movie kept coming up
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a lot in feeds, like best horror movies you probably
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haven't seen and stuff like that. So I'm like, oh,
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this is a movie I need to see at some point.
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And you just get so busy with things. I'm like,
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maybe at some point we will discuss it on the podcast.
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But Jason was never a big horror person, so this
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wasn't something that he was asking for. So luckily, when
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I asked you to guest on the show, you wanted
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to do this one. I'm like, oh, perfect. Now this
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gives me a reason to finally watch this movie. And
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I agree with you, too. That opening scene, I mean,
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I'm already jumping ahead, but it is one of my
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favorite scenes because it's short, but it tells you exactly
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what's going on.
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It does. And then it leads right into that opening
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credit sequence where he's in New York and he's leaving
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Lincoln Center and he's packed his bag. And then we
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get into the house. We see the box. It's just
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like it's a clear way to just jump into the
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story and get him into Seattle and get him off
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and running into the movie. We don't waste a lot
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of time. But and I know we'll talk about it,
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but because he's so good, George C. Scott is so great.
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as an actor, you don't need so much story to
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know exactly what's going on with this guy. And they
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do such a great job with atmosphere cutting and that
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opening scene. I just love the music and he's walking
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through the streets and it's crowded. And then eventually it's
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like thins out and then empty house. And then he's
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in Seattle, which is of course Canada for this movie,
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but we know it's Seattle in the story.
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Right. Yeah. Cause the setting's so brief. It's just a,
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just a small moment with the family. But you know
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it's a loving group.
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You just get everything you need to get from that moment.
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And you understand his grief. Moving on, just from that
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brief three-minute opening, or five-minute, however long it is, you
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understand that this is a huge loss for him.
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And I think probably as watching it later in life,
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I always kind of cringe when people go, well, as
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a father of a son or whatever, I think had
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I seen it pre-having a child, I probably wouldn't be
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able to track the grief story as much as I
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would as... post having a child. Not that people can't
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watch a movie and not go, ah, that's a grieving father.
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But still there is something that you just, now you
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have a more like sort of inherent understanding of, oh
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my God, that is a huge loss to lose your
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wife and your child.
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Right. And right in front of you.
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Right in front of you when you feel very like
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vulnerable and you can't do anything and you're helpless.
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And because that grief is so much that all of
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a sudden this house, this child in this house reaches
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out to him. and figures, okay, I have someone that
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feels what I'm feeling, and maybe they can help me
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out of my situation.
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Yeah, that's great.
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So this is my question for you, because it is
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important to the plot. Do you think the senator knew
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the whole story?
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It's a great question, and when Jax, my wife, and
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I watched this again, we had a great debate afterwards
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about what the senator knew or didn't know. I believe that...
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The senator did not know that his adoptive father had
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killed the child. I think he said, hey, my son
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is really sick. He's going to die. We're going to
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travel far away for a couple of years and come
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back and tell everybody you're my child and that you're
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going to be able to take over the family fortune
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because this kid's sick and he's not going to make it.
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I don't think he ever said to him, oh, by
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the way, I also drowned him in the bathtub. So
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I think the senator knew he was a changeling. I
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just don't think he knew to the extent of the
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violent act that his fake father basically, what actions he
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took in order to preserve himself staying in the family's fortune.
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That's my feeling. Okay. What do you think?
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Part of me was generally surprised. I was under the
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impression he didn't know at all. But then I was like,
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he's so giving with his money and stuff. So I
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was like, is that his way of taking care of
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the guilt that he knows why he's in that position
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of power and money? because of what his stepfather did
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or was he just really just a good person and
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then everything that gets laid out to him was a surprise.
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I think the only thing that was a surprise was
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when when john russell tells him like what had happened
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that his father had killed him and had killed the
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original child i think he always knew that he was
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not this kid and he right replaced him and i
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think he that was enough guilt for him to do
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all these other things thinking like I have this responsibility
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to do these things whether it is and then and
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obviously had to hide the truth by bearing the deed
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with the house and not letting anybody rent it and
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all those things that they did to keep the truth
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hidden all those years. But I don't think he ever
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thought of the horrific act that had actually occurred in
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the house. That's my feeling.
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That does make a lot of sense. Why would you
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be told that? The reason why you have this money?
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So yeah, I said, oh, so you're going to, I
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kill this kid and take over. You'd be like, I'm
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not really down with this. But if you say, my
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son is sick, he's on his way out. We're going
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to just.
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Pretend you're him.
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Like as if we, Because I think they make an
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excuse saying we went overseas and he miraculously recovered from
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whatever illness he had. And he said, when you come back,
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you're going to now be my son. And my poor
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child died and we're just going to never talk about
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him again.
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I mean, he probably wasn't told that as a kid.
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Maybe something when he was much older, like, hey, just
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so you know, you did technically have a brother and
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you're going to end up getting the family fortune after.
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Yes, I think he told him, laid out the whole situation.
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But we know that the father did it out of
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the fact that if he had no heir, He would
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be cut out of the family fortune altogether because it
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would be able to continue after that. So he always
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really hated his natural born son that whole time. That's
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my feeling on it.
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And then my other question is about Joseph himself. Joseph
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is a spirit in the house. Because we do see
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that Joseph can do things outside of the home. Like
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John Russell throws the ball in the river and the
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ball comes back.
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That's great.
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He's able to give Senator Joseph the heart attack. So
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it's like, if he always knew... I guess I'm trying
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to figure out, what was it that the spirit of
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the House was looking for John to do? Basically just
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tell Senator Joseph?
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truth to him in a way that was verbalized by
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what he had learned. And since the Senator never visited
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the House... And maybe the spirit never found anybody sympathetic
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enough to reach out to who could kind of carry
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that message. When someone finally moves in and you can
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make a case for that, this Joseph knows that John
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Russell is suffering this loss that maybe, you know, he
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reaches out to him and maybe he reached out to
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people before and they're just like, I'm out of this house.
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It's like too noisy. Yeah. And finally, some guy pays
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attention to him. And then this guy goes on this
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mission to find the truth. And I think he needed
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him to do all the little steps that he does,
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which is like have the seance, hear the words, find
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the music box, find the jewelry, find where he's buried,
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like unearth all these things so that it could slowly
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free the spirit before he would confront the senator.
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Do you think the Spirit Joseph act was justified of
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basically killing Senator Joseph?
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Well, I think the spirit was angry, and I don't
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think he was going to go, well, I know you
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didn't really quite know, but I've been basically buried in
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this thing the whole time, and you knew something. You
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lied about this. I'm not you, and you're not me.
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So as far as Joseph the ghost is concerned, regardless
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of how much the senator knew or didn't knew was
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involved in his death, which I don't believe was, he's
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still pretty angry because of him stealing the whole life
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from him. So I would say that he's justified in
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what he did. And actually, I don't necessarily know if
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Joseph's goal was to kill the senator. I think the
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senator was old and ill.
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He's walking up the burning stairs and he comes in
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the room and now we actually see the truth. And
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that's the reveal to the center about what really happened.
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And that is what gives him the heart attack. I
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don't think Joseph was thinking, I'm going to do this
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and give you a heart attack. He's like, I'm just
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going to tell you what the story is. And you're
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going to deal with it in whatever way you're going
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to deal with it. And that's what happened.
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Witness it for yourself and the stress of finding out
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it was the truth.
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That's it. And the center is old and then gets
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dropped dead. Okay. That's what I think.
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Yeah, I think I agree with that. The house itself,
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would you ever rent a house?
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Again, my wife and I, and I'm sure you and
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Hillary have these conversations about what, and I know she's
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a big horror fan, but what you would or would
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not do in a real situation. My wife, if she
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heard that banging the first night, she's like, I'm leaving.
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You can stay here. I'm just out of here. But
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she certainly wouldn't even have moved in the house in
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the first place. I, on the other hand, was like, yes,
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I would live in this house. That being said- because
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I am sequestered to another room for a little while
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because I'm recovering from some surgery, I'm in this other
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room alone, which is my son's room. He's away from college.
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And I heard some noises and my house is not
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that big, but I heard some noises from upstairs and
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I got really freaked out. It was like after we'd
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seen the movie. And I told Jax next morning, like,
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you know what? Second thought, maybe I would not move
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into that big, giant house on my own and hear
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that banging and think, oh, it's just the pipes or whatever.
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So but he wanted to change. He likes old things
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because he had that cool apartment in New York. So
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he kind of bought it.
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So what moment for you would you have been like,
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I'm moving out?
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Man, I don't know.
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I think I would have gone through the banging.
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Yeah, I probably would have been like, that's pipes.
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Right.
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I guess the point when you're, we need to have
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a seance with some psychics, then you're kind of in
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it to win it because you're like, well, now I
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want to see this through. So if I had to
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duck out, it'd be at the moment where, and again,
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I have to put everything with the lens of, It's
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my wife and I doing this all together. And her
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whole thing is like, this is ridiculous. We need to
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leave because we don't want to be a part of this.
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Whatever it is, it's dangerous. And I'm like, hey, what
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if we get a psychic and do a seance? And
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she's like, yeah, we're not doing that. So if I
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was on my own, though, I may have gotten almost
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as far as John Russell did. I don't know. Maybe.
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How about you? How far would you have gone?
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I think once I saw Joseph in the bathtub.
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That's a pretty scary scene.
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That would have freaked me out. I'm like, I'm out.
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You would have gone as far as knocking down the
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walls to find the secret room and the dusty room
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and all that stuff like that?
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Oh, I don't know if I would have explored the house.
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That would have freaked me out, too. I don't think
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I would have went up those stairs. By myself, not
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by myself. Yeah, I mean, you know, we.
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Were watching it, and my wife is like, no, hell no,
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I'm not going up those stairs. And I'm like, yeah,
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let's go check it out. And there's no light or
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whatever up there.
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Yeah, and all those cobwebs, I can only think of
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the size of those spiders that are running around.
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Oh, yes, I made a note in my thing about
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so many cobwebs in that place. The thing they do
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really well in so many scenes of that movie is
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that they give you a moment of like there's kind
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of life and activity. There's a lot of buzzing going
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on in the house. And then suddenly he's completely isolated.
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Like he has his music students over and they're practicing
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like a quartet concerto. He's playing the piano and it's
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like it's vibrant through music. They're laughing. And then the
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next shot is they're in the rain driving their cars off.
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And then suddenly he's all on his own. And, you know,
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that feeling if you've ever had people at your own
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house and you had like a big party or an
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event or dinner, it's like, OK, bye. And it slowly
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leaves one by one. And then suddenly, like, there's just
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silence and you're all alone. And they do such a
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great job of that atmosphere.
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Yeah, the atmosphere, definitely a plus in this one. And
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you always feel how spacious that house is and how
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alone he is in that house. And that's why I
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was always like, why would you want to be in
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something that big? I couldn't deal with that.
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I was totally like, it's great. So many rooms and...
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Maybe I would spend the weekend and hang out with
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John Russell. And after a while, I'd be like, man,
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I don't know. Maybe we should just split. Just get
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out of here. Is it like a Motel 6 down
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the street? It is a cool house, though. It is
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a very cool house.
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Yeah. How much did you like that it was like
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a mystery element that it had the red herring that
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we originally think the spirit is someone else who died
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on that property? And then it's really not until the
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seance that we find out we were being led down
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the wrong path here.
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Yeah, I love the mystery. The thing I really appreciate
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in this film is that John Russell, for whatever reason,
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does not need convincing that there's a ghost. The minute
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he hears something and then like, OK, it's not the pipes.
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The guys aren't home. He does a couple of things
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that are like the natural progression of like, let me
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see what the reality is here. But then eventually, he's
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just like, something's reaching out to me and trying to
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tell me something. It's like, oh, this guy just believes
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in ghosts. Like, he's already there. There's no priest that
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comes by and is like, the spirits sometimes reach out
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to people when they need, like, it's just like, he's
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on board. Which... I think is cool because in a
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movie like this where we know it's a ghost, it
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sometimes gets annoying when the characters don't believe it's a
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ghost or takes them too long to get convinced. You're
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just like, let's just get on board. It's a ghost.
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I believe in ghosts. This is what this is. Or
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some spirit, something that he doesn't understand. And I really
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appreciated that aspect to the script.
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Do you think maybe he was hopeful that it was
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his family that was trying to contact him somehow at first?
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That's why he was trying to see it through?
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If someone can reach to me from the other side,
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maybe that means that there is an afterlife and one
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day I'll be sort of rejoined with my wife and
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my child. Because there are little moments throughout the story.
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I mean, there's the great one where he wakes up,
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he's just crying. But then there's another part where they like,
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they ride horses and he's like, oh, my daughter loved horses.
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Like he's always constantly having little reminders that he has
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this horrible tragedy that's befallen him. And so I think
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part of Joseph reaching out to him is playing on that.
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But also part of his believing it is that like,
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I want some kind of justice for a child because
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of injustice that occurred to my own. Gotcha.
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Let's move on to favorite scenes or moments from The Changeling.
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And Patrick, why don't you start us off? What is
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a favorite scene or moment from the movie?
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I'm actually going to point out the thing that I...
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There's so many great scenes, but the editing in the
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film is really excellent, especially in its transitional elements. like
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there's a part where someone mentions a date and then
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go right to the library where the guy goes did
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you say 1890 whatever the date was and then we're
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in the microfiche it's like those cool transitions whether they
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had been scripted or found in the edit I love that.
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There's a part where someone screams and we're sawing in
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the floor. There's a part where he turns the lights
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off in the well after he goes back and then
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the lights on in the apartment when he's knocking on
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her door. There's just great editing transitional elements in that
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that are just very clever, very simple. As an editor,
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I really appreciate that. Like I said, whether the director
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found those when they were shooting or found them in
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post in the edit, I thought that stuff, I really
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responded to that. I thought that the cutting in the
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film was fantastic.
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That's what makes it good is you don't really notice
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until you need to notice. Right.
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Exactly. Exactly. Yeah, they do a great job. And I
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love the score to this movie. It's actually one of
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the ones I like listen to when I really want
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to get right in something kind of scary. I think
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the orchestral score is amazing. I think the main theme
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is amazing. It's funny, this movie had three composers, one
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who wrote like the main theme, one who wrote the
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sort of music to the movie, and then one who
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wrote just the music box theme. And they all work
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hand in hand. But I think the score, I love
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the lush, rich aspect of the score, especially at a
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time when we were moving into like very synthy and
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poppy scores as we got into the 80s. This was
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like hearkened back to The kind of 50s, 60s horror
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movies of Nightmare Castles and Dracula and some of the
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really big Dimitri scores. That kind of vibe. And I
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thought that was great that they still kept with that.
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Yeah, for me, one of my favorite scenes, and we
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already discussed it, was the opening. Because it just established
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exactly what you needed to know. John suffers this terrible
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loss right in front of his eyes. And you understand
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that loss.
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Yeah.
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Like I said, you see the wife and kid for
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maybe three minutes, and they're pushing their car for some reason,
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and John stops to use the phone. And then, unfortunately,
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a car comes whipping down this icy road and doesn't
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brake in time, and a truck's coming out of their way,
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and boom. You don't see them get hit, but you
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realize the truck goes into the spot where they were
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unfortunately standing. And like I said, that's it. That's all
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you need to know. Tragedy has happened. And I just
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found that really effective. And it was just really quick,
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and it's... so crazy how here they are joking and
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laughing about their situation.
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00:22:11.210 --> 00:22:13.059
And they're having a snowball fight. They're like having fun.
485
00:22:13.079 --> 00:22:15.640
They're just not thinking about that. This is their last
486
00:22:15.680 --> 00:22:16.779
day on earth at that moment.
487
00:22:17.039 --> 00:22:18.500
Yeah. What else do you have?
488
00:22:18.900 --> 00:22:23.240
I love that. They smartly use his location of the
489
00:22:23.279 --> 00:22:26.680
school as a character. Then actually I visited that campus
490
00:22:26.880 --> 00:22:30.359
because they actually shot that stuff on Seattle's campus. And
491
00:22:30.420 --> 00:22:32.440
that quad, it looks, I mean, I saw it like
492
00:22:32.440 --> 00:22:34.650
20 years ago. It looks almost exactly the same. But
493
00:22:35.130 --> 00:22:37.509
his character is so smart. He's a teacher, he's a professor,
494
00:22:37.529 --> 00:22:39.890
he's a composer, he's very creative. So at some point
495
00:22:39.930 --> 00:22:42.609
when he decides that he needs help beyond what he knows,
496
00:22:42.809 --> 00:22:47.410
he goes to the university's college psych studies department to
497
00:22:47.450 --> 00:22:50.009
get help. And I think that's just a great moment
498
00:22:50.049 --> 00:22:52.250
when the guy's like, we never get this kind of stuff,
499
00:22:52.269 --> 00:22:53.750
but I know the right people who do, and then
500
00:22:53.789 --> 00:22:56.589
we write to the people. And it leads into what
501
00:22:56.730 --> 00:23:01.170
is an incredibly effective seance scene. I mean, that seance
502
00:23:01.210 --> 00:23:05.170
scene is like great because if you've ever read anything
503
00:23:05.230 --> 00:23:11.180
about how seances are held with the writing, with the objects,
504
00:23:11.839 --> 00:23:15.720
with the way they have someone interpreting and then someone talking,
505
00:23:15.779 --> 00:23:18.180
like it's just spot on sort of like what sort
506
00:23:18.200 --> 00:23:20.700
of Houdini talks about in some of his books about seances.
507
00:23:21.240 --> 00:23:22.140
And the woman's.
508
00:23:21.920 --> 00:23:24.250
Voice that I keep bringing up that thing, did you
509
00:23:24.269 --> 00:23:26.789
die in this house, Joseph? Like, it's just so creepy.
510
00:23:27.069 --> 00:23:31.259
It's so scary. And then how After all the cacophonous noise,
511
00:23:31.920 --> 00:23:34.240
then we go to John just doing the playback on51200:23:34.259 --> 00:23:37.240
the tape, and then he hears the EVP. So it51300:23:37.259 --> 00:23:41.140
just unveils key pieces of information as it goes along.51400:23:41.180 --> 00:23:42.819
It doesn't give it to you all in one kind51500:23:42.839 --> 00:23:45.559
of moment. That seance scene is just amazing.51600:23:45.900 --> 00:23:49.420
Yeah, I love that seance scene because normally when a51700:23:49.480 --> 00:23:52.369
seance is portrayed in a movie, They're all around the table,51800:23:52.390 --> 00:23:54.670
like they are in this instance, and they're holding hands51900:23:54.750 --> 00:23:56.589
or something. And you got the crystal ball in the52000:23:56.609 --> 00:24:01.839
middle and someone's, oh, spirit, where are you? Whereas with52100:24:02.460 --> 00:24:07.980
Leah and Albert, Leah knows right away where Joseph resides.52200:24:08.740 --> 00:24:11.289
She looks up that staircase and goes, okay, there is52300:24:11.329 --> 00:24:15.410
something here. She knows right away. And then knows that52400:24:15.470 --> 00:24:18.089
John has had a loss and says it to him.52500:24:18.609 --> 00:24:22.259
The fact she's literally just scribbling on paper. While she's52600:24:22.299 --> 00:24:25.980
staring off into space, and then you have Albert reading.52700:24:26.000 --> 00:24:27.579
That's great.52800:24:27.619 --> 00:24:31.579
He's like, no, yes, no. It's incredible, like ballet.52900:24:32.000 --> 00:24:34.339
Yeah. And it's so freaky because at the end when53000:24:34.380 --> 00:24:39.279
she's going, help, help, help, and she's just scribbling out help, help, help,53100:24:39.339 --> 00:24:42.559
to the point where it briefly snaps her out. Now53200:24:42.619 --> 00:24:44.609
that they know it's not who they thought it was,53300:24:44.700 --> 00:24:48.250
it's Joseph. And then she's trying to ask questions of, okay,53400:24:48.309 --> 00:24:50.049
why is it that you're trying to reach out to Jot?53500:24:50.440 --> 00:24:52.680
What do you need John to do? And we're not53600:24:52.759 --> 00:24:55.259
hearing anything. And they do have that one tracking shot53700:24:55.380 --> 00:25:00.160
where you think it's maybe Joseph's spirit coming down the house.53800:24:59.900 --> 00:25:02.099
And then going into the room. Those slow camera moves53900:25:02.160 --> 00:25:04.240
are awesome. That's a great one, too. That one that54000:25:04.259 --> 00:25:05.900
comes down the steps and then kind of goes into54100:25:05.940 --> 00:25:06.339
the room.54200:25:06.599 --> 00:25:06.859
Yeah.54300:25:07.279 --> 00:25:07.900
Yeah, it's great.54400:25:08.220 --> 00:25:09.579
And then they have the object in the middle and54500:25:09.599 --> 00:25:12.839
then it goes flying. And then that's it. And then54600:25:13.160 --> 00:25:16.259
John's in the room by himself with the recording thinking, oh,54700:25:16.279 --> 00:25:18.519
we got nowhere with that, but there's something going on.54800:25:18.819 --> 00:25:21.019
And then he decides to play it. And that's when54900:25:21.059 --> 00:25:23.000
you hear Joseph on the tape and you're like, oh55000:25:23.019 --> 00:25:26.400
my God, that is creepy as hell. Like, I don't55100:25:26.420 --> 00:25:27.180
think I've ever seen this.55200:25:27.200 --> 00:25:29.900
But it doesn't like have like books flying and shit55300:25:29.940 --> 00:25:33.160
flying off the shelf and like the tables jumping around55400:25:33.200 --> 00:25:37.140
and like, it kind of saves all the insanity. to55500:25:37.180 --> 00:25:39.279
the end with the big moment when the center's in55600:25:39.299 --> 00:25:41.619
the house. You know, they do later on. So I55700:25:41.640 --> 00:25:45.019
just love how real it plays. I mean, again, as55800:25:45.039 --> 00:25:46.460
real as you'd believe a seance to be, but it55900:25:46.720 --> 00:25:49.769
plays it very grounded. It doesn't play it like total theatrics,56000:25:49.789 --> 00:25:51.710
which it's just such an effective scene.56100:25:52.150 --> 00:25:55.940
Yeah. And that's what I found super creepy about it.56200:25:56.529 --> 00:25:58.890
And it's portrayed different than any way I've ever seen56300:25:58.910 --> 00:26:01.339
it on film. And I'm like, oh my God, it's56400:26:01.380 --> 00:26:05.380
so creepy. Why isn't everybody else copying this? Because I56500:26:05.779 --> 00:26:09.700
haven't seen anything Before or since in film, you know,56600:26:09.720 --> 00:26:11.720
talking about the time period that matches because I've only56700:26:11.740 --> 00:26:14.369
seen the film recently. I was like, wow, that surprised me.56800:26:14.420 --> 00:26:16.450
It's like, oh, I'm actually seeing something new for the56900:26:16.470 --> 00:26:16.970
first time.57000:26:16.990 --> 00:26:21.150
That's good. I felt like the others really probably borrowed57100:26:21.190 --> 00:26:24.890
heavily from this film, the Nicole Kidman movie, which has57200:26:24.950 --> 00:26:28.460
a similar say on scenes. Obviously, there's this great twist57300:26:28.480 --> 00:26:31.400
at the end about who's actually in the seance, performing57400:26:31.420 --> 00:26:34.009
the seance, and the people are. But that, to my mind,57500:26:34.069 --> 00:26:36.829
is the one that I think in modern filmmaking, that57600:26:36.869 --> 00:26:38.750
it's more of an adult ghost story that does a57700:26:38.769 --> 00:26:42.029
good job, that I think was heavily drawn influence from57800:26:42.289 --> 00:26:42.809
The Changeling.57900:26:43.029 --> 00:26:44.710
That's true. I came across something. I can't remember the58000:26:44.750 --> 00:26:46.549
director of The Others, but he said that was one58100:26:46.589 --> 00:26:48.609
of his... I don't doubt. One of the movies that58200:26:48.650 --> 00:26:50.930
influenced him. And I'd have to go back and watch58300:26:50.950 --> 00:26:51.950
The Others. It's been a long time.58400:26:52.390 --> 00:26:53.509
I mean, I think that's one of the things I58500:26:53.549 --> 00:26:56.470
love about this movie is that I love like the58600:26:56.519 --> 00:26:59.039
worst horror movies ever made, as you know. And we58700:26:59.079 --> 00:27:01.539
talked about, I mean, I love Silent Night, Deadly Night,58800:27:01.599 --> 00:27:06.119
and that's a completely ridiculously silly sort of trashy, exploitative58900:27:06.240 --> 00:27:09.390
horror film. But it's nice to have a conversation or59000:27:09.430 --> 00:27:11.869
see a movie that's like just a great story that59100:27:11.930 --> 00:27:14.369
is really scary, that is very effective, that also has59200:27:14.750 --> 00:27:17.549
more adult themes and more the way people would behave59300:27:17.609 --> 00:27:20.400
in the environment than just like, I open the door59400:27:20.420 --> 00:27:21.829
and I get an ax in the head, you know,59500:27:21.849 --> 00:27:23.589
as much as I love those kind of movies. I59600:27:23.619 --> 00:27:27.230
think it's great to have these films because you might59700:27:27.250 --> 00:27:28.890
want to just find different reasons to want to watch59800:27:29.250 --> 00:27:31.289
a scary movie. And in fact, if you are someone59900:27:31.329 --> 00:27:33.910
who loves scary movies, but has a hard time convincing60000:27:34.029 --> 00:27:35.450
other people who are like, I don't want to just60100:27:35.490 --> 00:27:37.230
watch a Friday the 13th movie. I want something that's60200:27:37.269 --> 00:27:39.430
like smarter than that. This is a great film that60300:27:39.589 --> 00:27:41.210
you can be like, this is really great. It's a smart,60400:27:41.430 --> 00:27:44.950
it's great drama, incredible acting. So, yeah, I mean, how lucky.60500:27:45.329 --> 00:27:45.670
It's crazy.60600:27:45.690 --> 00:27:48.049
I also think that George C. Scott did this movie60700:27:48.130 --> 00:27:52.170
and then Exorcist 3, which are like, two incredible horror movies.60800:27:52.990 --> 00:27:56.119
If you're going to cast an actor of stature who60900:27:56.140 --> 00:27:58.039
can carry a movie, how lucky are you to be61000:27:58.059 --> 00:27:59.980
able to get George C. Scott in your scary movie?61100:28:00.000 --> 00:28:01.660
That's pretty amazing.61200:28:02.200 --> 00:28:05.609
You wonder what attracted him to the script that he61300:28:05.690 --> 00:28:08.970
would want to do it, and then the way he61400:28:08.990 --> 00:28:12.009
decided to portray the character of John Russell. This other61500:28:12.029 --> 00:28:14.589
horror movie he'd You know, maybe be freaking out.61600:28:14.730 --> 00:28:16.789
Or maybe chewing the scenery or something.61700:28:16.809 --> 00:28:17.130
Yeah.61800:28:17.150 --> 00:28:19.829
The tropes of this isn't haunted house. This is just61900:28:19.990 --> 00:28:21.890
throwing off excuses until it's too late.62000:28:22.250 --> 00:28:22.490
Right.62100:28:22.569 --> 00:28:23.049
Exactly.62200:28:23.309 --> 00:28:25.450
The fact that he really jumps into the mystery to62300:28:25.539 --> 00:28:29.119
know what is going on in this house. Because there62400:28:29.160 --> 00:28:32.200
is a scene when he meets the realtor and he's62500:28:32.220 --> 00:28:34.900
trying to get the deed information. And the woman is like,62600:28:35.140 --> 00:28:37.920
it's my favorite line when she says, it doesn't want people.62700:28:38.200 --> 00:28:39.599
It doesn't want people. It's a great line. Yeah.62800:28:40.089 --> 00:28:42.779
But in this case, it's the exact opposite. It wants62900:28:43.059 --> 00:28:44.240
John and it wants.63000:28:44.099 --> 00:28:46.400
John to help. But she's trying to do that because she's,63100:28:46.599 --> 00:28:48.779
we know later on that she's like trying to throw63200:28:48.819 --> 00:28:50.779
people out of the house because she's got some kind63300:28:50.819 --> 00:28:53.079
of like little side deal going on. Right.63400:28:53.579 --> 00:28:55.500
You know. She's on the payroll.63500:28:55.740 --> 00:28:57.329
She's on Senator Corwin's payroll.63600:28:57.440 --> 00:29:02.289
Yeah. Anything else for favorite scenes or moments that you enjoyed?63700:29:02.789 --> 00:29:06.140
So as a Silent Hill fanatic. Silent Hill had taken63800:29:06.259 --> 00:29:08.460
so much from this movie, all the Silent Hills, but63900:29:08.720 --> 00:29:11.630
that pounding that's on the pipes, which is so great.64000:29:11.789 --> 00:29:13.109
Silent Hill had that in a lot of the games64100:29:13.130 --> 00:29:17.650
where that pounding was playing. But visually, that shot after64200:29:17.690 --> 00:29:20.049
the senator is like kind of brought to the house,64300:29:20.390 --> 00:29:23.269
this metaphysical sense, and he's walking up those last steps64400:29:23.289 --> 00:29:25.369
with the fires around him. It's just like it is64500:29:25.430 --> 00:29:29.210
just like such a stunning image of that. And if64600:29:29.279 --> 00:29:32.200
anybody's ever played Silent Hill 2, James Sunderland has a64700:29:32.240 --> 00:29:36.039
very similar walk up these stairs with the fires right64800:29:36.079 --> 00:29:38.529
around him. And it's, almost a one for one look.64900:29:38.589 --> 00:29:41.509
And it is an incredible visual scene. So again, I'm65000:29:41.549 --> 00:29:44.630
like drawing from the atmosphere of the film and those65100:29:44.670 --> 00:29:48.160
visuals that I think just make it so much bigger than,65200:29:48.700 --> 00:29:51.680
you know, just your standard kind of ghost story or65300:29:51.700 --> 00:29:52.740
horror movie for that.65400:29:53.240 --> 00:29:55.279
I think what I do like about that pounding sound65500:29:55.440 --> 00:29:58.039
is when you find out what it represents, and it65600:29:58.140 --> 00:30:03.549
is Joseph slamming on the tub that amount of times65700:30:03.569 --> 00:30:06.630
at that hour. You're like, oh my God. It makes65800:30:06.670 --> 00:30:10.690
your heart drop because you're like, how could a father-65900:30:10.710 --> 00:30:12.930
How could he have done this? Exactly. How could he66000:30:12.950 --> 00:30:13.410
have done this?66100:30:13.849 --> 00:30:15.950
It's horrifying. It's pretty horrifying stuff. Yeah.66200:30:16.519 --> 00:30:18.960
And that's his only way of trying to signal for help,66300:30:19.039 --> 00:30:22.069
and help never comes. Yeah, it's tough. Every time you66400:30:22.089 --> 00:30:24.349
hear that pounding, then you're like, oh, my God. It66500:30:24.710 --> 00:30:28.150
was his initial call for help. And that's what he66600:30:28.210 --> 00:30:30.109
is doing to John. That's his initial call to help66700:30:30.269 --> 00:30:32.730
by banging on what we think is the pipes, but66800:30:32.769 --> 00:30:33.150
it's not.66900:30:33.170 --> 00:30:34.049
Yeah, that's great.67000:30:34.309 --> 00:30:35.470
Anything else you want to discuss?67100:30:35.890 --> 00:30:37.029
No, no, that's good. Okay.67200:30:40.440 --> 00:30:42.950
So let's move on to our Swiss cheese and complaint67300:30:42.970 --> 00:30:46.269
department and what plot holes, bloopers, or general complaints would67400:30:46.289 --> 00:30:48.950
you like to file about the changeling? So Patrick, what67500:30:48.970 --> 00:30:49.319
do you have?67600:30:49.819 --> 00:30:52.920
So the only one that always, in watching again, I67700:30:52.940 --> 00:30:55.660
had the same thought. There's a part where Claire comes67800:30:55.700 --> 00:30:58.490
to the house on her own. And she hears, she67900:30:58.529 --> 00:31:01.029
thinks she hears John's voice upstairs and she goes up68000:31:01.069 --> 00:31:02.369
the steps all the way to the top, which I'd68100:31:02.390 --> 00:31:04.250
be like, no way would she ever do that. Number one,68200:31:04.529 --> 00:31:06.509
she's like already been so freaked out about being in68300:31:06.549 --> 00:31:07.809
this house. I don't believe she'd do it on her own.68400:31:07.970 --> 00:31:09.769
Even if she really thought he was up there, she68500:31:09.789 --> 00:31:12.640
would yell until he came downstairs. So that bugs me68600:31:12.660 --> 00:31:15.059
because I think it's just purposely setting up a moment68700:31:15.099 --> 00:31:19.119
to be scared. But I never understood why Joseph attacks68800:31:19.160 --> 00:31:21.660
Claire with the wheelchairs. Again, he just might be an68900:31:21.680 --> 00:31:24.710
angry spirit and lashing out at anybody. Or maybe it's like,69000:31:25.089 --> 00:31:27.769
because she's not John, that's who he wants to see.69100:31:27.829 --> 00:31:30.250
But it is an amazing scene. The chair coming down,69200:31:30.309 --> 00:31:32.650
the landing and all that stuff. It's great. Such a69300:31:32.890 --> 00:31:35.990
creepy chair. I just don't know why he would go69400:31:36.269 --> 00:31:39.930
after her. If he's intelligent and paying attention, he clearly69500:31:39.970 --> 00:31:42.829
knows that she's, in essence, helping John Russell. So I69600:31:42.869 --> 00:31:44.730
don't know why he would attack her. That always bugged me,69700:31:45.109 --> 00:31:47.170
even though it's a great scene. And I think they69800:31:47.190 --> 00:31:48.809
just did it because, like, we got to spice up69900:31:48.829 --> 00:31:51.799
this moment. Let's have Claire... on our own, get scared,70000:31:51.819 --> 00:31:53.490
and we're just, everybody just kind of go with it.70100:31:55.240 --> 00:31:58.420
This is a question I had. So we have, in70200:31:58.440 --> 00:32:01.880
the beginning, after the accident, we see John at a70300:32:01.940 --> 00:32:05.019
friend's house in Seattle, and the friends are helping him70400:32:05.039 --> 00:32:06.960
try to, like, hey, we know someone that can find70500:32:06.980 --> 00:32:09.400
you a house. They set him up at the university.70600:32:09.720 --> 00:32:11.480
We don't ever see them again, do we? You would70700:32:11.509 --> 00:32:14.549
have thought they would become more important into the story,70800:32:14.569 --> 00:32:17.269
because that's his two friends, but he's always leaning on70900:32:17.410 --> 00:32:19.890
Claire to help solve this mystery.71000:32:19.910 --> 00:32:22.210
That's a good point. I think that scene was like71100:32:22.269 --> 00:32:24.960
just we need three pages of exposition to be like,71200:32:25.079 --> 00:32:27.279
how many months has it been? How are you feeling?71300:32:27.680 --> 00:32:29.940
The important part in that scene, and actually it was71400:32:30.319 --> 00:32:32.819
Jax that pointed out to me, was that they offer71500:32:32.859 --> 00:32:33.680
him to stay there.71600:32:34.220 --> 00:32:34.440
Right.71700:32:34.700 --> 00:32:37.480
And then their kids come in and are like playing71800:32:37.509 --> 00:32:39.490
around in the living room. And she's like, go get71900:32:39.529 --> 00:32:41.130
food in the kitchen or whatever. And he looks at72000:32:41.150 --> 00:32:43.970
the kids and he says, no, I'll find my own72100:32:43.990 --> 00:32:46.990
place to stay. Basically being like, if I stayed here,72200:32:47.069 --> 00:32:49.180
I would just be dealing with this pain of Because72300:32:49.200 --> 00:32:51.089
they cast a girl who kind of looks like his72400:32:51.150 --> 00:32:54.009
daughter in that moment as well. So I think they're72500:32:54.049 --> 00:32:56.950
just trying to have that moment as a way of72600:32:57.289 --> 00:33:01.650
bridging New York to Seattle. And, you know, you're right.72700:33:01.670 --> 00:33:03.950
We don't see those people again. They kind of disappear.72800:33:04.150 --> 00:33:07.099
But I think there was the purpose of the scene72900:33:07.779 --> 00:33:09.259
and whether or not we missed them or later on.73000:33:09.400 --> 00:33:10.779
I didn't miss them, but I could totally see why73100:33:10.799 --> 00:33:12.960
you'd be like, oh, they seem they were somewhat important73200:33:12.980 --> 00:33:14.559
in his life. And they were just really there just73300:33:14.599 --> 00:33:16.829
to be like, I'm going to answer questions for the audience.73400:33:17.109 --> 00:33:17.650
Let's move on.73500:33:18.029 --> 00:33:20.329
Yeah. God, have him come to the house. Let him73600:33:20.349 --> 00:33:21.269
get haunted a little bit.73700:33:21.369 --> 00:33:25.789
I don't know. But that's a good one.73800:33:25.990 --> 00:33:29.089
This one I found funny. So in the movie, they73900:33:29.230 --> 00:33:33.910
finally find little Joseph, kid Joseph's bones in a well74000:33:34.230 --> 00:33:35.190
buried under a house.74100:33:35.660 --> 00:33:36.119
Like the ring.74200:33:36.400 --> 00:33:36.539
Yeah.74300:33:36.819 --> 00:33:39.000
And then the cops show up. And then here we are.74400:33:39.019 --> 00:33:41.720
We find a body. And then John just whips out74500:33:41.740 --> 00:33:46.640
a cigarette and just starts smoking in this random person's house.74600:33:47.079 --> 00:33:48.880
I think he's been through a lot. Well, he's also74700:33:48.920 --> 00:33:51.089
trying to cover up that he found something else in there.74800:33:51.109 --> 00:33:53.769
Because anything else in there is like, no. Because we74900:33:53.789 --> 00:33:56.250
know he's going to come back. Because he's looking for75000:33:56.289 --> 00:33:59.630
that necklace, right? With the little locket or whatever.75100:33:59.769 --> 00:34:02.190
But it's technically become a crime scene. And now he's75200:34:02.230 --> 00:34:05.230
in there smoking. And you should at least ask permission75300:34:05.250 --> 00:34:07.690
of this lady. Okay, you've already cut up her floor.75400:34:08.369 --> 00:34:10.650
I just started laughing when he just whipped out that cigarette.75500:34:10.670 --> 00:34:12.489
I'm like, seriously, you're going to smoke in this lady's75600:34:12.510 --> 00:34:15.650
house after you just cut up a huge hole in75700:34:15.690 --> 00:34:18.789
her body. Yeah.75800:34:19.429 --> 00:34:22.849
That was cool. I did love that procedural of going75900:34:22.909 --> 00:34:26.099
to the library to find the map and. the legacy76000:34:26.139 --> 00:34:28.539
where the well was and then it disappears. I mean,76100:34:28.579 --> 00:34:32.519
that was all such cool sort of path following for76200:34:32.559 --> 00:34:34.820
a mystery. It's just like it gave him so much76300:34:34.860 --> 00:34:37.429
to do to show that how committed he was to76400:34:37.730 --> 00:34:38.710
getting this mystery solved.76500:34:38.969 --> 00:34:41.329
That's true. And that kind of goes back to Senator76600:34:41.389 --> 00:34:45.710
Carmichael then, Joseph Carmichael. So maybe he does know and76700:34:45.750 --> 00:34:47.489
he's the one that's like, hey, you got to take76800:34:47.510 --> 00:34:50.929
this well off the plans or does the father do76900:34:50.949 --> 00:34:51.610
it before he passes it?77000:34:51.610 --> 00:34:53.239
I think the father did that. I think the father77100:34:53.260 --> 00:34:54.199
did that. Yeah. Okay.77200:34:54.880 --> 00:34:55.800
Anything else with the complaints?77300:34:56.469 --> 00:34:59.329
That was the only one, just the attack on Claire77400:34:59.369 --> 00:35:00.409
with the chair. Okay.77500:35:00.429 --> 00:35:03.349
All right, so let's move on to Hey, It's That Actor.77600:35:03.710 --> 00:35:06.309
So in this segment, we spotlight a character actor you've77700:35:06.329 --> 00:35:08.730
seen in many other films, an actor making their big77800:35:08.769 --> 00:35:11.949
screen debut, or an actor that makes an uncredited cameo.77900:35:12.210 --> 00:35:14.429
It's Hey, It's That Actor. So Patrick, who is your78000:35:14.469 --> 00:35:15.489
choice for Hey, It's That Actor?78100:35:15.989 --> 00:35:17.679
So it took me a little while to kind of78200:35:17.699 --> 00:35:20.059
do a little bit of research and kind of go78300:35:20.099 --> 00:35:23.860
through IMDb because... There's no one that jumps like, there's78400:35:23.880 --> 00:35:27.820
no Dick Miller or something in this. But Canadian legend78500:35:27.920 --> 00:35:33.449
John Kalikos, who played the police officer, detective who comes78600:35:33.469 --> 00:35:35.769
to the house. So the movie was shot in Canada.78700:35:35.809 --> 00:35:37.750
So it made sense that we have a Canadian actor78800:35:37.809 --> 00:35:40.170
for a small role like that. But in looking up78900:35:40.289 --> 00:35:44.269
who this guy was, He was famous for playing the79000:35:44.369 --> 00:35:48.389
first Klingon on Star Trek, playing Kor, and actually helped79100:35:48.510 --> 00:35:51.219
design the vibe and the look of what the Klingon79200:35:51.239 --> 00:35:53.880
would look like when they were cast him, because he79300:35:53.920 --> 00:35:56.400
was working with, I guess, Roddenberry, whoever at the time79400:35:56.420 --> 00:35:58.820
would have been responsible for the look of the Klingon,79500:35:58.880 --> 00:36:01.050
and coming up with what the accent would be was79600:36:01.309 --> 00:36:02.849
all kind of born out of him. And then he79700:36:02.889 --> 00:36:06.710
had played Kor later on in either Deep Space Nine79800:36:06.769 --> 00:36:08.449
or one of the later ones where he was playing79900:36:08.469 --> 00:36:10.539
an older version of Kor. So I thought that was80000:36:10.559 --> 00:36:12.909
pretty cool. And this guy's been in a million things.80100:36:12.929 --> 00:36:14.869
So if you look him up, you'll see what a80200:36:15.150 --> 00:36:16.969
credit list he has. But I thought that was pretty cool.80300:36:16.989 --> 00:36:19.449
I mean, he's got a short part. He doesn't last80400:36:19.469 --> 00:36:20.369
very long in this movie.80500:36:20.489 --> 00:36:23.630
No, he was definitely one that I recognized. Didn't realize80600:36:23.650 --> 00:36:25.320
it was Star Trek, and I can't remember the movie80700:36:25.340 --> 00:36:27.000
that it was. But I was like, oh, I've definitely80800:36:27.019 --> 00:36:29.449
seen this guy in something else. But yeah, I'm going80900:36:29.469 --> 00:36:32.250
with someone else. And that was Eric Christmas, who plays81000:36:32.659 --> 00:36:35.860
Albert Harmon, who's helping Leah with the seance. He's the81100:36:35.900 --> 00:36:37.820
one that's reading off all the cards. Yeah.81200:36:37.900 --> 00:36:38.679
What's his story?81300:36:38.900 --> 00:36:41.760
He's the principal in the Porky's movies. He's Mr. Carter.81400:36:42.260 --> 00:36:42.900
Is that right?81500:36:43.179 --> 00:36:46.039
Yes. And he has that classic line when he's watching81600:36:46.380 --> 00:36:48.639
the porn film. He's like, I had to watch this81700:36:48.699 --> 00:36:49.550
smut twice.81800:36:51.730 --> 00:36:54.469
Did that character go through Porky?81900:36:55.150 --> 00:36:57.409
I think he was just in one and two. Yeah,82000:36:57.429 --> 00:36:59.889
I don't think he was in the third one.82100:37:00.670 --> 00:37:04.530
That's pretty amazing, which really fits into the all 80s82200:37:04.550 --> 00:37:07.840
movie podcast sort of like universe of we talk about82300:37:07.880 --> 00:37:10.340
the Changeling and then we talk about Porky. It's a82400:37:10.360 --> 00:37:14.579
perfect fit. It's a perfect fit. That's incredible. I would82500:37:14.619 --> 00:37:16.900
not have recognized. I'm not the biggest. I mean, I82600:37:16.960 --> 00:37:19.239
love all the sort of 80s exploitation films, but Porky's82700:37:19.280 --> 00:37:21.119
is not one of the ones that ever really kind82800:37:21.159 --> 00:37:23.179
of made it on my radar. So I don't know82900:37:23.199 --> 00:37:24.409
it that well. So that's pretty cool.83000:37:24.829 --> 00:37:26.460
Yeah, as soon as he came in the house, I'm like, oh,83100:37:26.469 --> 00:37:28.050
my God, I know him. I know him. I know him.83200:37:28.110 --> 00:37:30.170
I know him. And then I was like, Porky's.83300:37:30.650 --> 00:37:31.750
I better watch Porky's again.83400:37:31.909 --> 00:37:32.150
Yeah.83500:37:32.809 --> 00:37:34.530
So he would have done Porky's after this movie then?83600:37:34.849 --> 00:37:35.130
Yes.83700:37:36.110 --> 00:37:37.550
So they were like, man, we got to get that83800:37:37.590 --> 00:37:40.679
guy from The Changeling to play the principal in our movie.83900:37:40.840 --> 00:37:42.639
I know. He's amazing. Yep.84000:37:42.940 --> 00:37:43.719
That's incredible.84100:37:43.760 --> 00:37:44.800
He's got range. I like that.84200:37:45.199 --> 00:37:47.860
I mean, Melvin Douglas, who is kind of a big star,84300:37:48.019 --> 00:37:50.360
pretty amazing that he's like a two-time Academy Award winner.84400:37:50.980 --> 00:37:52.699
It's an incredible cast. We'll talk about some more of84500:37:52.719 --> 00:37:55.010
the cast when we get to the trivia stuff. But like,84600:37:55.030 --> 00:37:57.769
if you're going to make a scary movie, getting performances84700:37:57.789 --> 00:37:59.909
like this movie really make it all work, make it84800:37:59.929 --> 00:38:00.530
feel very real.84900:38:00.869 --> 00:38:02.949
Exactly. Because, yeah, because that's usually one of the things85000:38:02.969 --> 00:38:05.840
that hurts horror movies is you have these people are85100:38:05.880 --> 00:38:09.920
just trying to get into acting and you're not getting85200:38:10.019 --> 00:38:13.460
the greatest of performances. But when you have a cast85300:38:13.480 --> 00:38:16.219
like this, it's really selling everything. It does make it85400:38:16.260 --> 00:38:17.800
more terrifying, a little more scary. Yeah.85500:38:18.400 --> 00:38:19.050
Yeah, they believe it.85600:38:19.300 --> 00:38:23.239
Yeah, for a hack and slash, you can get anyone. Scream, run, boom.85700:38:23.320 --> 00:38:25.320
But something like this where there's really more of a85800:38:25.380 --> 00:38:28.179
mystery involved and you need to sell it. You got85900:38:28.380 --> 00:38:30.389
amazing cast for this one, for sure.86000:38:30.929 --> 00:38:33.670
Melvin Douglas plays it. He plays it great. He plays86100:38:33.710 --> 00:38:35.789
it like a guy who feels like he's lived his86200:38:35.829 --> 00:38:37.969
whole life to the potential of what he felt he86300:38:37.989 --> 00:38:41.570
was meant to do. And this blight, which he doesn't86400:38:41.590 --> 00:38:44.349
know all the truth of it, but that he's tried86500:38:44.389 --> 00:38:46.880
to erase and cover up, was just to protect the86600:38:46.909 --> 00:38:49.940
name of the family. there's never like a twinkling of86700:38:49.980 --> 00:38:53.070
the mustache or a sinister, like even when George C.86800:38:53.090 --> 00:38:54.610
Scott comes in, he's like, okay, how much do you want?86900:38:54.630 --> 00:38:56.969
He's not like, take this man out and kill him.87000:38:56.989 --> 00:38:58.630
You know, there's not like that kind of moment where87100:38:58.650 --> 00:38:59.880
it's like, oh, he's going to, he's going to murder87200:38:59.909 --> 00:39:01.039
George C. Scott. It's like, I'm just going to pay87300:39:01.079 --> 00:39:03.380
him off. and make him go away because I've got87400:39:03.420 --> 00:39:05.340
other important things to do. And I think that's the87500:39:05.360 --> 00:39:07.260
right way to, that's the right way to play a guy. He,87600:39:07.519 --> 00:39:10.280
he believes in his own convictions that he's done all87700:39:10.320 --> 00:39:12.389
the right things with his life and he's lived up87800:39:12.429 --> 00:39:14.789
to what his father wanted to be. But there's, there87900:39:14.869 --> 00:39:17.769
is this horrible truth that's hidden this lie that he's88000:39:17.949 --> 00:39:20.070
covered up. And he's, you know, like you said, he's88100:39:20.090 --> 00:39:21.849
trying to make amends for it or whatever. And Melvin88200:39:21.869 --> 00:39:24.309
Douglas plays that so well, you don't go, Oh, I88300:39:24.349 --> 00:39:27.309
hate this guy. You, some parts you sympathize a little bit,88400:39:27.349 --> 00:39:29.590
this guy, if he doesn't know exactly what's going on,88500:39:29.630 --> 00:39:31.059
you know, they don't make him out to be this88600:39:31.099 --> 00:39:34.179
horrible politician who's ruining people's lives at least not that88700:39:34.440 --> 00:39:37.000
i recall in the film so i think he did88800:39:37.019 --> 00:39:39.800
a good job about playing someone for real not just88900:39:39.840 --> 00:39:43.559
like this yes my father murdered my fake brother and89000:39:43.619 --> 00:39:47.099
i took it over and you'll never destroy that legacy.89100:39:47.510 --> 00:39:49.550
Yeah, and that's why I love that scene with him89200:39:49.610 --> 00:39:51.710
and John Russell at the end. And John tells him89300:39:51.869 --> 00:39:54.690
what had happened. And I wasn't sure. I'm like, does89400:39:54.730 --> 00:39:56.429
he know or does he not know? Is he really89500:39:56.449 --> 00:39:57.690
hearing this for the first time?89600:39:58.070 --> 00:39:58.269
Yeah.89700:39:58.650 --> 00:40:02.179
I appreciated that. It wasn't like, oh, I knew all along.89800:40:02.300 --> 00:40:04.079
Ha ha, and I've been trying to cover it up. Yeah, exactly.89900:40:04.260 --> 00:40:05.599
And then John just gives him the stuff. He's like,90000:40:05.739 --> 00:40:07.440
I'm not here to block. He's like, I'm just here90100:40:07.460 --> 00:40:09.800
to tell you what happened, man. Like, I'm done. Like,90200:40:09.840 --> 00:40:12.360
I did what the kid asked me to do. Here's90300:40:12.460 --> 00:40:14.769
the thing. Here's all the proof. You can burn it,90400:40:14.820 --> 00:40:16.639
destroy it, do whatever you want with it. I'm not90500:40:16.679 --> 00:40:19.360
like some... warrior who's going to go to bat in90600:40:19.380 --> 00:40:21.380
the public and tell them all about it like getting90700:40:21.400 --> 00:40:23.900
information and this is how it goes i like that90800:40:23.920 --> 00:40:25.969
too it wasn't like he suddenly was like i'm gonna90900:40:25.989 --> 00:40:27.949
go to the paper and tell them the truth you91000:40:27.989 --> 00:40:31.610
know yeah they kept it very personal very very you91100:40:31.630 --> 00:40:33.090
know just the two of them i thought that was.91200:40:33.030 --> 00:40:35.719
Great yeah okay time to move on to facts and91300:40:35.739 --> 00:40:38.460
trivia and what are some fun facts or trivia uh91400:40:38.500 --> 00:40:40.760
we learned or wanted to share about the changeling patrick91500:40:40.780 --> 00:40:42.719
what do you have well the big.91600:40:42.679 --> 00:40:44.900
One which is not like a big secret, but George C.91700:40:44.920 --> 00:40:47.719
Scott and Trish Vanderveer were real-life husband and wife when91800:40:47.739 --> 00:40:49.519
they made this movie. And they'd made several movies together,91900:40:49.539 --> 00:40:51.960
but they were husband and wife together. I thought that92000:40:51.980 --> 00:40:54.639
was pretty cool that they worked together in a movie.92100:40:54.920 --> 00:40:56.820
They do a good job. I actually watched an interview92200:40:56.840 --> 00:40:58.429
with the two of them when I was doing a92300:40:58.429 --> 00:41:01.039
little research. It was kind of funny because George C.92400:41:01.030 --> 00:41:04.090
Scott sort of wasn't really so into the whole Hollywood thing.92500:41:04.130 --> 00:41:07.449
He just loved to act. Famously, he declined an Oscar92600:41:07.469 --> 00:41:09.550
for Patton, didn't even want to be nominated, said he92700:41:09.570 --> 00:41:12.380
wouldn't show up. He was nominated. He was. He didn't come. So...92800:41:12.940 --> 00:41:15.360
For his thing, he apparently was just like a really92900:41:15.440 --> 00:41:17.820
fun-loving guy and just loved to act and didn't really93000:41:17.860 --> 00:41:20.000
like all the other Hollywood stuff that came with that.93100:41:20.079 --> 00:41:22.139
So I think it's fun if they were making this93200:41:22.179 --> 00:41:24.039
movie together and thought it was a blast to make.93300:41:24.099 --> 00:41:25.960
I hope that was the case because it seems like93400:41:26.420 --> 00:41:29.239
even as dark as the story is, that it would93500:41:29.260 --> 00:41:30.989
be a fun movie to make with all the ghost93600:41:31.030 --> 00:41:33.650
stuff and effects and all the big visual gags.93700:41:34.050 --> 00:41:37.619
Mm-hmm. All right, so the Carmichael Mansion wasn't actually a93800:41:37.880 --> 00:41:42.159
real mansion. So filmmakers couldn't find a suitable Victorian Gothic house,93900:41:42.199 --> 00:41:47.260
so they spent around $ 200, 000 constructing a period-style facade and94000:41:47.320 --> 00:41:49.860
attaching it to the front of a much more modern94100:41:49.909 --> 00:41:53.289
house on a Vancouver street. The facade was used for94200:41:53.510 --> 00:41:56.190
all of the mansion's exterior shots, and the haunted house94300:41:56.250 --> 00:42:00.250
interiors were filmed separately on an elaborate series of interconnected94400:42:00.510 --> 00:42:02.889
sets built inside a Vancouver studio.94500:42:03.429 --> 00:42:06.739
That's cool. That's cool. I think they had the fire, though.94600:42:06.880 --> 00:42:09.219
However they built that facade, it had enough sort of94700:42:09.280 --> 00:42:11.429
space between the other house that they could have the94800:42:11.469 --> 00:42:13.110
fire at the end, because I think they did actually94900:42:13.159 --> 00:42:15.469
have real fire effects at the end on whatever that95000:42:15.510 --> 00:42:16.130
facade was.95100:42:16.590 --> 00:42:20.070
Yeah, I read somewhere that the building itself isn't there anymore,95200:42:20.210 --> 00:42:22.590
but you can still see from the corner, I guess95300:42:22.610 --> 00:42:24.590
there was like a hydrant. So you can tell if95400:42:24.610 --> 00:42:27.090
you go there that you're there, but there's something else95500:42:27.250 --> 00:42:30.230
in the place of the house that they used to film.95600:42:31.019 --> 00:42:35.260
Another interesting trivia is that there is a element to95700:42:35.320 --> 00:42:37.500
that this is based on some kind of true story95800:42:37.860 --> 00:42:40.619
that the author, Russell Hunter, who was also a composer,95900:42:40.980 --> 00:42:43.800
did end up staying in a house. And all these96000:42:43.860 --> 00:42:47.320
events happened to him. There was some inheritance thing. There96100:42:47.340 --> 00:42:52.139
was a ghost. And that house was in Chessman Park, Colorado,96200:42:52.360 --> 00:42:55.159
I believe. And of course, it's a Chessman Park Productions96300:42:55.179 --> 00:42:57.280
or whatever. I didn't want to bring it up too96400:42:57.300 --> 00:42:58.940
much in this because... All you have to do is96500:42:58.960 --> 00:43:01.440
type in The Changeling, Russell Hunter, and there's like eight96600:43:01.739 --> 00:43:04.239
zillion YouTube videos that already covered it. So if you're96700:43:04.280 --> 00:43:08.179
really curious about the true story, which has never been verified,96800:43:08.239 --> 00:43:10.369
but this guy wrote this script, he sent it to96900:43:10.409 --> 00:43:11.789
a producer and like, this is great. We're going to97000:43:11.809 --> 00:43:13.510
make it to a movie. But the thing I find97100:43:13.550 --> 00:43:16.050
interesting is that the film doesn't have any kind of97200:43:16.110 --> 00:43:18.949
like based on true events or like anything in there97300:43:18.969 --> 00:43:20.699
that's If it's a film we've made in the last97400:43:20.699 --> 00:43:23.239
20 years, that would be a total marketing thing about97500:43:23.260 --> 00:43:25.400
based on true events. And this is apparently based on97600:43:25.420 --> 00:43:27.420
true events, and they'd actually never used that to market97700:43:27.440 --> 00:43:28.639
the film, which I think is pretty interesting.97800:43:29.119 --> 00:43:29.500
Yeah, that's cool.97900:43:29.539 --> 00:43:33.280
All right, sorry. One more effect. George C. Scott can98000:43:33.300 --> 00:43:36.070
play the piano. He learned to play the music box98100:43:36.090 --> 00:43:37.690
song on the piano, so he could play it. It98200:43:37.710 --> 00:43:38.730
could look like he's playing it in the movie.98300:43:39.010 --> 00:43:40.010
Committed. I love it.98400:43:40.570 --> 00:43:40.730
So.98500:43:41.239 --> 00:43:43.920
In the film, John and Claire bond during a horseback98600:43:44.000 --> 00:43:46.860
riding excursion. And the scene's a little bit interesting because98700:43:46.980 --> 00:43:52.119
Trish Vanderveer is an avid equestrian. And Trish Scott is98800:43:52.199 --> 00:43:55.780
terrified of riding horses. Because of this, Scott was replaced98900:43:55.800 --> 00:43:57.780
with the body double for the horseback riding scenes.99000:43:58.079 --> 00:44:01.780
Wait, what? That's crazy. I had no idea.99100:44:02.199 --> 00:44:03.219
Because it is like a long shot.99200:44:03.239 --> 00:44:04.960
Does it look like it? Did you go back and99300:44:05.000 --> 00:44:05.289
watch it?99400:44:05.480 --> 00:44:08.780
Yeah, because it's a master shot of them going through99500:44:08.800 --> 00:44:12.030
the woods. And you can barely see. john's character it99600:44:12.090 --> 00:44:14.530
is okay so i'm like that would make a lot99700:44:14.550 --> 00:44:16.250
of sense but that is kind of funny you're a99800:44:16.250 --> 00:44:20.110
married couple and one's really into horse riding and the99900:44:20.150 --> 00:44:22.829
other one no thank you it's like i wonder if.100000:44:22.809 --> 00:44:25.190
I wonder if they did that scene because she could100100:44:25.250 --> 00:44:27.610
ride a horse and they thought we should utilize that100200:44:27.659 --> 00:44:30.199
somehow or they'd been scripted and they just got lucky100300:44:30.579 --> 00:44:32.780
yeah i had no idea i'm gonna go back and100400:44:32.820 --> 00:44:34.820
watch and see if i can tell that that's not100500:44:34.900 --> 00:44:37.880
dorsey scott on the horse I mean, obviously, then there's100600:44:38.019 --> 00:44:40.280
a medium shot of him. I wonder if he's actually100700:44:40.300 --> 00:44:42.139
sitting on a horse for that line that he delivers100800:44:42.159 --> 00:44:42.679
about his daughter.100900:44:42.960 --> 00:44:45.500
I think he's holding it by the leash when they're talking.101000:44:45.519 --> 00:44:46.360
Oh, he's like standing up there.101100:44:46.380 --> 00:44:48.159
Yeah, he's already gotten off the horse at that point. Yeah,101200:44:48.579 --> 00:44:51.119
if I remember correctly. I had no idea. That's pretty cool.101300:44:51.420 --> 00:44:55.480
And then lastly, I found this interesting. So Joshua Jackson101400:44:55.800 --> 00:44:58.420
makes his first on-screen appearance in The Changeling as a101500:44:58.480 --> 00:44:59.889
seventh-month-old baby.101600:45:00.300 --> 00:45:01.000
Wait, what?101700:45:01.320 --> 00:45:04.139
So his mother, Fiona Jackson, was the assistant director on101800:45:04.159 --> 00:45:07.659
the film. So he is seen during the concert performance sequence.101900:45:08.389 --> 00:45:11.170
The big concert performance, like in the concert hall where102000:45:11.210 --> 00:45:12.429
they see the senator?102100:45:12.550 --> 00:45:15.170
After he plays in the classroom and then it cuts102200:45:15.210 --> 00:45:15.530
to the.102300:45:16.090 --> 00:45:16.949
That's pretty cool.102400:45:17.289 --> 00:45:17.369
Yeah.102500:45:17.389 --> 00:45:18.010
That's pretty cool.102600:45:18.070 --> 00:45:19.650
Yeah, at first I was like, this can't be right.102700:45:19.969 --> 00:45:21.869
But then I looked up the mother. Yeah, and the mother.102800:45:21.889 --> 00:45:24.550
Well, that would make sense. This was 79, seven months.102900:45:24.750 --> 00:45:28.389
That's about... Yeah, if you do the math, it seems right. Yeah,103000:45:28.489 --> 00:45:29.289
it seems right. That's pretty cool.103100:45:29.909 --> 00:45:32.010
Anything else for facts and trivia?103200:45:32.110 --> 00:45:32.329
No.103300:45:32.590 --> 00:45:35.469
Okay. So let's move on to Box Office. And The103400:45:35.550 --> 00:45:39.230
Changeling premiered at the USA Film Festival in Dallas on103500:45:39.309 --> 00:45:44.250
March 26, 1980, before going into theatrical release on March 28.103600:45:44.250 --> 00:45:47.389
Made for an estimated $ 6. 6 million, the movie went on103700:45:47.409 --> 00:45:50.210
to gross $ 12 million worldwide. It became one of the103800:45:50.269 --> 00:45:54.199
more successful Canadian productions of 1980 and went on to103900:45:54.239 --> 00:45:58.010
win the Golden Reel Award. For the year's highest grossing104000:45:58.050 --> 00:46:02.010
Canadian film, its worldwide gross would make it the 35th104100:46:02.030 --> 00:46:05.070
highest grossing movie of the year, just behind The Last104200:46:05.250 --> 00:46:09.139
Married Couple in America. Yeah, unfortunately, in 1980 up to 1981,104300:46:09.130 --> 00:46:12.230
they didn't really keep the greatest of box office records,104400:46:12.309 --> 00:46:14.789
so that's all I could find about that. So moving104500:46:14.809 --> 00:46:16.929
on to reviews, when growing up in the early 80s,104600:46:16.949 --> 00:46:19.610
we'd watch sneak previews with Gene Siskel and Roger Ebert104700:46:19.650 --> 00:46:21.989
to hear their reviews and watch clips of upcoming movies.104800:46:22.130 --> 00:46:25.610
Their review of The Changeling was unanimous, two thumbs down.104900:46:26.250 --> 00:46:26.590
What?105000:46:26.849 --> 00:46:30.929
Yep. Both critics were unimpressed with the film, despite acknowledging105100:46:31.030 --> 00:46:34.510
some of its atmosphere and craftsmanship. Ebert felt the movie's105200:46:34.530 --> 00:46:38.239
supernatural story became less effective as it went along, while105300:46:38.320 --> 00:46:42.360
Siskel didn't understand the motivation of the central entity and105400:46:42.420 --> 00:46:44.159
felt the acting was too stiff.105500:46:44.940 --> 00:46:45.719
Oh, man.105600:46:46.019 --> 00:46:48.500
Rotten Tomatoes gives it a Tomatometer score of 85%, with105700:46:48.519 --> 00:46:49.840
an audience score of 78%, and it also has an105800:46:49.860 --> 00:46:52.619
INDB rating of 7.1.105900:46:55.429 --> 00:46:57.079
Yeah, Siskel and Ebert, there you go.106000:46:57.329 --> 00:46:59.010
They were always tough on horror movies.106100:46:59.949 --> 00:47:03.010
Ebert was usually nicer on them. He kind of liked106200:47:03.030 --> 00:47:05.869
the more fantasy stuff, but yeah. I mean, they love Halloween,106300:47:05.909 --> 00:47:08.260
maybe coming out of Halloween, which has been out just106400:47:08.300 --> 00:47:09.139
a couple years before.106500:47:09.159 --> 00:47:11.920
All right, so before we wrap things up here on106600:47:11.940 --> 00:47:14.800
this week's episode, is there any additional thoughts you want106700:47:14.820 --> 00:47:16.320
to share with our audience or anything that we didn't106800:47:16.340 --> 00:47:17.280
cover that you want to talk about?106900:47:18.280 --> 00:47:20.039
I do want people to go back and look at107000:47:20.119 --> 00:47:24.360
like the similar typography style of the opening credits of107100:47:24.480 --> 00:47:28.139
Changeling to The Exorcist. They're very close to one another.107200:47:28.400 --> 00:47:31.039
And I wondered if they did that on purpose or,107300:47:31.079 --> 00:47:35.519
you know, or was just happenstance. Typography, I find very fascinating.107400:47:35.820 --> 00:47:38.460
I don't know sort of what the different technology was used.107500:47:38.869 --> 00:47:41.170
Exorcist was like seven years beforehand, but it's got a107600:47:41.190 --> 00:47:43.920
very similar, not the typography you see like on the107700:47:43.960 --> 00:47:47.400
poster or whatever, just in that opening credit sequence. It's107800:47:47.420 --> 00:47:50.519
like this thin red kind of like font. So I107900:47:50.539 --> 00:47:52.300
don't know if anybody cares about that, but I found it.108000:47:52.639 --> 00:47:53.840
I noticed it when I saw it.108100:47:54.590 --> 00:47:58.190
I think what I found interesting was when you look108200:47:58.210 --> 00:48:00.590
at the cast list, I mean, it's a long page108300:48:00.630 --> 00:48:02.440
of all these people. these people, and then you're watching108400:48:02.460 --> 00:48:04.440
the movie, you're like, where are all these people at?108500:48:04.460 --> 00:48:05.920
There's so many people that just come in for a108600:48:05.960 --> 00:48:10.039
brief moment and then disappear. And even in the beginning,108700:48:10.059 --> 00:48:12.119
when I usually say who stars in the movie, I108800:48:12.159 --> 00:48:15.019
didn't add Melvin Douglas because in the first half of108900:48:15.039 --> 00:48:17.940
the movie, we see him for like four minutes, and109000:48:17.980 --> 00:48:20.179
then we don't really see him again until act three,109100:48:20.480 --> 00:48:24.940
when he's trying to keep covering up whatever the mystery is,109200:48:25.420 --> 00:48:27.860
what he thinks he's trying to cover up when there's109300:48:27.929 --> 00:48:29.090
actually more to it than that.109400:48:29.670 --> 00:48:32.380
I think that was probably... As we discussed, they're very109500:48:32.420 --> 00:48:34.820
purposeful because we were misdirected to believe it was this109600:48:35.500 --> 00:48:37.019
person who had been run over on the property or109700:48:37.039 --> 00:48:40.019
whatever that was haunting them. The sort of politics of109800:48:40.039 --> 00:48:43.139
Seattle at the time were just like, oh, here's this politician,109900:48:43.579 --> 00:48:45.280
and then we're just going to kind of go away110000:48:45.300 --> 00:48:47.320
from that. Oh, we're going to circle back. That's the110100:48:47.340 --> 00:48:50.050
guy we're talking about. So I think they disarmed you110200:48:50.070 --> 00:48:52.630
in that way purposefully. Yeah. Which I liked.110300:48:53.010 --> 00:48:55.349
Yeah, so much of it is just with John and Claire,110400:48:55.809 --> 00:48:58.809
and you almost see more of Claire's mom than some110500:48:58.849 --> 00:49:02.010
of these other characters in it. Just reacting to everything.110600:49:02.050 --> 00:49:03.409
I was like, why did the mom even come to110700:49:03.429 --> 00:49:05.820
the seance? That didn't make any sense to me. Like,110800:49:05.840 --> 00:49:06.860
what does she know about the house?110900:49:07.559 --> 00:49:09.599
I don't remember. I don't remember why. Maybe there's one111000:49:09.619 --> 00:49:11.300
or more people at the table. How did you pronounce111100:49:11.320 --> 00:49:12.179
that director's name, by the way?111200:49:12.460 --> 00:49:16.889
So it's Hungarian. So instead of saying Peter, it's Petar.111300:49:17.409 --> 00:49:18.670
I guess that's how they say it in Hungary.111400:49:18.690 --> 00:49:19.510
All right.111500:49:19.690 --> 00:49:22.579
So I hate. yeah, I had to phonetically spell it out.111600:49:23.000 --> 00:49:26.079
To U.S. audiences, it would be Peter... Yeah, because it111700:49:26.119 --> 00:49:30.559
just looks like Peter. Yeah, but the Hungarian pronunciation of111800:49:30.659 --> 00:49:37.199
it is Petar. It would be Petermedic, but according to phonetically,111900:49:37.260 --> 00:49:40.579
it's Petermedic. Oh, there you go.112000:49:41.300 --> 00:49:43.659
And I'm just curious. I didn't really do too much112100:49:43.699 --> 00:49:47.159
deep dive into him. I'm just like flipping through his IMDb,112200:49:47.199 --> 00:49:49.150
but he had done a lot of TV before this112300:49:49.170 --> 00:49:53.429
Changeling thing. Space 1999, Return of the Saint, and then112400:49:53.469 --> 00:49:58.219
Changeling came along. And then again, Heart to Heart, Remington Steel. Interesting.112500:49:58.239 --> 00:50:00.300
Yeah, it's kind of weird he wouldn't get other movies,112600:50:00.400 --> 00:50:04.119
especially considering the movie did make money. It didn't flop.112700:50:05.199 --> 00:50:07.170
Yeah, I don't know. You would think he gets them more. Oh,112800:50:07.179 --> 00:50:08.840
I do remember that. I remember reading this. He did112900:50:08.880 --> 00:50:10.579
Romeo's Bleeding. That was a movie that came out while113000:50:10.599 --> 00:50:11.500
we were in film school.113100:50:11.539 --> 00:50:12.000
That's right.113200:50:12.559 --> 00:50:13.980
I love the soundtrack to that movie.113300:50:14.159 --> 00:50:14.639
That was a good one.113400:50:15.340 --> 00:50:15.900
It was a good one.113500:50:16.409 --> 00:50:16.610
Okay.113600:50:16.639 --> 00:50:18.349
And Species 2. I mean, Species 2.113700:50:18.349 --> 00:50:19.329
Oh, wow.113800:50:19.590 --> 00:50:21.869
He did that movie. I don't think I saw that one.113900:50:22.050 --> 00:50:23.230
I think I saw that one in the theater.114000:50:25.469 --> 00:50:26.969
It was 1998.114100:50:26.969 --> 00:50:29.610
Yeah, I saw it in the theater. And the only114200:50:29.630 --> 00:50:32.750
reason I saw that was because of Natasha.114300:50:33.230 --> 00:50:36.489
Of course. It's a good film. It's a good directed film.114400:50:36.530 --> 00:50:38.349
It's too bad. I mean, again, I don't want to114500:50:38.389 --> 00:50:40.150
besmirch this guy's career. Maybe he loved all the work114600:50:40.170 --> 00:50:41.769
he did after that, but it felt like he could114700:50:41.789 --> 00:50:45.010
have done maybe a couple other bigger sort of supernatural thrillers,114800:50:45.050 --> 00:50:46.869
but who knows? It's a weird business.114900:50:47.280 --> 00:50:49.420
Yeah, it is. All right, so we're trying to move115000:50:49.500 --> 00:50:52.219
on to our film rating, and we use the five-star115100:50:52.260 --> 00:50:54.320
rating system here with zero being the worst, five being115200:50:54.340 --> 00:50:57.880
the best, and half-star increments are allowed. And Patrick, you115300:50:57.900 --> 00:51:00.099
did pick the movie, so it's safe to assume you're115400:51:00.119 --> 00:51:03.090
going to give it good marks. It's a five-star for me.115500:51:03.110 --> 00:51:03.699
It's a five for you?115600:51:04.369 --> 00:51:06.829
Yeah, it's just everything about it works. I mean, even115700:51:06.869 --> 00:51:09.570
with my little nitpicky stuff or whatever, it's just an115800:51:09.610 --> 00:51:13.289
incredibly effective scary movie. I think it's also a great115900:51:13.929 --> 00:51:17.250
opportunity to share a smarter scary movie with people who116000:51:17.309 --> 00:51:20.190
might not be so into watching like, you know, a116100:51:20.230 --> 00:51:22.750
slasher from the 80s or whatever. But if you're looking116200:51:22.769 --> 00:51:26.369
for something for Halloween and it's all over streaming for free,116300:51:26.429 --> 00:51:28.650
so maybe you could convince someone like this is a116400:51:28.929 --> 00:51:31.590
kind of a better, smarter horror movie than like we're116500:51:31.610 --> 00:51:34.610
going to watch one of the other slashers. So that's116600:51:34.650 --> 00:51:35.889
why I give it a five star. I think they116700:51:35.909 --> 00:51:36.309
did a great job.116800:51:36.329 --> 00:51:38.429
Okay. Yeah. I'm giving it three and a half.116900:51:39.030 --> 00:51:39.389
There you go.117000:51:39.590 --> 00:51:42.280
Yeah. I like the mystery element of it. Like I said,117100:51:42.300 --> 00:51:46.320
the seance scene stood out to me as just a117200:51:46.400 --> 00:51:50.059
different way of what we normally think of seances in117300:51:50.099 --> 00:51:54.239
film out depicted in films. I thought the performances were good.117400:51:54.400 --> 00:51:57.840
I don't know what Cisco was thinking about, but I117500:51:57.900 --> 00:52:00.360
think probably most of our audience probably has not seen117600:52:00.409 --> 00:52:04.730
this movie. And I think you should. There's an eeriness117700:52:04.789 --> 00:52:07.969
to it. I wouldn't necessarily say it's scary, but it's117800:52:07.989 --> 00:52:11.369
definitely eerie and thought provoking because I did have a117900:52:11.389 --> 00:52:13.190
lot of questions and I was like, oh, I can't118000:52:13.210 --> 00:52:15.329
wait to ask Patrick about this because what did you118100:52:15.349 --> 00:52:17.329
think was really going on? I think it is a118200:52:17.389 --> 00:52:20.409
movie that would actually bring discussion, which you usually don't118300:52:20.429 --> 00:52:22.570
get from horror films. So I do appreciate that.118400:52:23.090 --> 00:52:24.889
Yeah, that's a really good point, too, because I think118500:52:25.349 --> 00:52:27.710
people would make a case for that. The senator always do.118600:52:27.809 --> 00:52:29.389
And I think there's arguments for that to be made118700:52:29.429 --> 00:52:31.809
as well. So there's a great opportunity to have a118800:52:31.829 --> 00:52:32.610
conversation about it.118900:52:32.849 --> 00:52:35.130
All right, Patrick, thank you so much for being on119000:52:35.150 --> 00:52:38.300
the show. And is there anything you want to plug119100:52:38.389 --> 00:52:40.679
or share? Anything that you got coming up? Any projects119200:52:40.699 --> 00:52:41.900
you got coming up or anything like that?119300:52:42.000 --> 00:52:44.679
Nothing this time around. I will tell you that the119400:52:45.099 --> 00:52:47.920
Silent Night Deadly Night game is still here for those119500:52:48.000 --> 00:52:50.739
who want to win the game. I promise you, if119600:52:50.780 --> 00:52:53.719
you make a scene from the movie, you will win119700:52:53.760 --> 00:52:56.409
the game. It's still wrapped, and I will send it119800:52:56.449 --> 00:52:59.769
to you. So that's still available out there. I just119900:52:59.789 --> 00:53:00.949
have to find it in my garage.120000:53:02.860 --> 00:53:03.300
That's awesome.120100:53:03.900 --> 00:53:06.139
So there you go. I can't believe no one thought120200:53:06.159 --> 00:53:09.000
to themselves like, okay, I'll shoot like two minutes of120300:53:09.500 --> 00:53:12.000
recreating a scene from this movie with all the filmmakers120400:53:12.059 --> 00:53:12.380
out there.120500:53:12.679 --> 00:53:15.429
Now, have you ever played your other copy? I have.120600:53:15.639 --> 00:53:15.929
I have.120700:53:15.969 --> 00:53:16.119
Yeah.120800:53:16.360 --> 00:53:16.610
Okay.120900:53:17.010 --> 00:53:17.679
Is this a good game?121000:53:18.179 --> 00:53:18.639
It's okay.121100:53:18.820 --> 00:53:19.219
It's okay.121200:53:19.409 --> 00:53:19.659
All right.121300:53:19.929 --> 00:53:23.429
It's just okay. It's just okay. We had fun. I mean,121400:53:23.449 --> 00:53:25.929
I played it with people who kind of weren't like,121500:53:26.110 --> 00:53:27.449
I played it with my family and they're just like,121600:53:27.489 --> 00:53:29.349
this is ridiculous. But I think if you played it121700:53:29.369 --> 00:53:31.150
with real fans of the movie, I think you'd have121800:53:31.190 --> 00:53:34.150
a great time. The gameplay isn't like, super exceptional, but121900:53:34.210 --> 00:53:37.519
it's very cool. And the artwork and stuff, it's evocative122000:53:37.559 --> 00:53:39.219
of the film. So it's just like a fun game122100:53:39.239 --> 00:53:42.199
to play. It's really easy breezy to kind of get through.122200:53:42.219 --> 00:53:45.039
But if you're like a Catan fan, you're not going122300:53:45.059 --> 00:53:47.590
to be like, it's simplistic compared to some of the122400:53:47.610 --> 00:53:49.969
other sort of board games that have been out these days.122500:53:50.550 --> 00:53:51.010
Gotcha.122600:53:52.550 --> 00:53:54.389
And again, you can still win it. All right.122700:53:54.909 --> 00:53:57.510
Hopefully before our show ever Ends, ends.122800:53:57.780 --> 00:54:00.159
Someone will get it.122900:54:00.179 --> 00:54:01.679
Someone will get it.123000:54:01.800 --> 00:54:04.000
I promise I will keep it. And if for some123100:54:04.039 --> 00:54:07.110
reason I pass in this life, I will give it123200:54:07.130 --> 00:54:09.130
to my son to make sure that he makes sure123300:54:09.210 --> 00:54:11.369
whoever is next in line to get it gets the game.123400:54:11.630 --> 00:54:12.750
So there you go.123500:54:12.769 --> 00:54:13.449
It'll always be there.123600:54:14.050 --> 00:54:16.090
All right, so that wraps it up for this week's episode.123700:54:16.230 --> 00:54:18.539
As always, thank you so much for listening. Thanks again123800:54:18.559 --> 00:54:21.559
to Patrick for joining me today. If you enjoyed today's episode,123900:54:21.579 --> 00:54:24.000
we really appreciate it. If you'd follow the All 80s124000:54:24.019 --> 00:54:26.590
Movies podcast, leave us a rating and write a review124100:54:26.829 --> 00:54:30.010
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discover the show. Have a question, a favorite 80s movie,124300:54:32.849 --> 00:54:35.199
some feedback, we'd love to hear from you. Email us124400:54:35.300 --> 00:54:43.760
at all80smoviespodcast at gmail.com or visit us online at all80smoviespodcast. com.124500:54:42.199 --> 00:54:45.699
Have a totally awesome day, everyone. And remember, the 80s124600:54:45.800 --> 00:54:48.239
may be over, but the movies are forever.124700:54:49.760 --> 00:54:50.260
Yeah.124800:54:51.530 --> 00:54:54.110
And Joseph, leave Claire alone. She didn't deserve that.124900:55:11.599 --> 00:55:12.409
Thank you.
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