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Hello Eighties movies lovers. Bill band here, co host of
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the All Eighties Movies Podcast, with a quick announcement before
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we start this week's episode, I wanted to take a
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moment to share some news. After six and a half seasons,
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my co host Jason Massek, has decided to step away
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from the podcast to focus on some other projects. Jason,
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thank you for everything you've brought to the show over
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the past six years. Your insights, humor, and passion for
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eighties movies helped make this podcast what it is today,
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and I truly wish you nothing but the best and
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whatever comes next, And who knows, maybe someday we'll return
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as a special guest to revisit one of his favorite movies. Now,
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for those of you wondering, this is not the end
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of the All Eighties Movies Podcast. I plan to keep
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the show going with plenty of guest hosts while I
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search for the right permanent co host. There are still
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so many awesome movies from the greatest decade in movie
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history to discuss, and I can't wait to keep sharing
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those conversations with all of you. One quick note about
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today's episode, do do some unexpected technical issues during recording,
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we were not able to capture Jason's final movie rating,
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so unfortunately that part of the episode is missing. Finally,
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I just want to say thank you to everyone who
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has listened, supported and followed us over these past six
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and a half years. So with that, let's start our show. Hello,
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and welcome to the Old Eighties Movies podcast podcast where
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we talk about the flops or so flops and everything
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in between. Who won the Presus Decades for movies the
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nineteen eighties? I'm host Bill Bett. Won with me on
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this journey of revisiting eighties movies is my co host
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Jason Massek. Hello Jason.
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Your crime is not that you got caught, but the
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crime itself. Remember that. Hopefully you will realize what you
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did is wrong. Hopefully you'll never do anything like that again.
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This is a juvenile facility. That means you are not
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in charge of the zoo. We are. If you think
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your hip, you're not. If you were, you wouldn't be here.
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That's right, Listeners, We are discussing with spoilers of twenty
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the nineteen eighty three prison drama Bad Boys. It was
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produced by EMI Films and the Solo Film Company and
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distributed it by Universal Pictures. The movie stars Sean Penn,
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E Sigh Morales, and Ali Sheedy. Directed by Rick Rosenthal,
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This movie's rated R with the running time of two
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hours and three minutes. So what is this movie about?
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What's on the box? If you grew up in the
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nineteen eighties and what's your local video story. To rent
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this movie, you would find this description on the back
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of the VHS box.
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It is what's on the box?
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Take it away, Jason.
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At the age of nine, they've joined a street gang.
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At twelve, they're pushing drugs. At sixteen, they're part of
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a nightmare teenage underworld of rape, mugging, armed robbery, and murder.
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Bad Boys, Bad Boys? Jason, you were me? That was short?
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Could that be the shortest What's on the box of
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all time?
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And most nondescriptive of the movie that we thought. Also,
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it doesn't tell you anything about the movie.
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Nothing at all, Nothing at all. Wow. Very curious.
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Yeah, interesting, it was different. So that was what's on
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the box? Jason. Do you remember the first time you
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saw Bad Boys?
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No, of course not, because I've never seen this film
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until watching it for this podcast. And that's just fitting.
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After reading the What's on the Box synopsis because yeah,
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I was curious about this. I knew Sean Penn was
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in this and iSIG Morales. And I'd actually listened to
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another podcast discussing this film, and I was like, what what? Wait?
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What what is Bad Boy? What are you talking about?
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Not the Will Smith movie? Okay, this is a different
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early eighties movies that I just was not aware of,
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so very curious to investigate this one. But that's all
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I got. Had you seen this before? Bill Ban?
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I thought for sure I had not seen this at all,
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so like, maybe I've just seen clips because there was
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a lot in here I kind of remembered. Okay, but
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I don't think I've seen it from beginning to band
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until this podcast. So yes, I would say it first
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watch for me.
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Also, all right, a first watch for both of us.
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Then yes, all right, so let's talk about the movie.
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What are our impressions of Bad Boys?
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Ooh, two hours, three minutes of dreary. This is one
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of the most bleak movies I've ever seen. I'll say
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this right now and I'll say it again. In my conclusion,
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it's well done. It's a realistic depiction of life in
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a juvenile correction facility. But this is a rough watch.
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It's brutal and it's a bummer. It's really violent. It
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has multiple rape sequences, beatings, and murders. I wish I
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could say this was a great Chicago movie because that's
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where it takes place. But I mean ninety percent of
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it takes place inside the Rainford Juvenile Detention Center. So yeah,
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I mean, these kids, these poor teenagers that have put
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themselves in this situation, under these circumstances, they're involved in
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some really really heavy shit. And I understand teenagers in
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high school doing drugs and dealing drugs, but this is
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real gang stuff and they're paying the price. What's your
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initial impression?
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Okay, I know this takes place as the juvenile detention center,
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but I'm just gonna keep saying prison because it's just quicker.
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This is my overall impression of the movie. Was who
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am I supposed to root for in this movie?
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Right away, our main character, played by Sean Penn O'Brien,
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we see him mug a lady, then beat up a
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guy for money. He's the one that we're following throughout
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the story and Usually when you watch a prison film,
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and I think the only other prison movie we've done
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so far is Start Crazy. Usually the person that goes
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to prison is innocent and has been wrongly accused, so
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the whole time you're rooting for this person to find
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justice to get out. Whereas in this film, it is
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what the title says. They are bad boys. Everybody in
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this prison has done wrong. So why am I invested
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in these characters? But I was two hours three minutes.
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This movie flies okay, and that's always a great sign.
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And I almost felt guilty watching this rooting for O'Brien.
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I'm like, I shouldn't be. He's a terrible person. He
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killed someone in order to get into that juvenile facility.
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I should not care. Whatever happens to him should happen
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to him because he has done wrong. But I was invested.
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That's the mark of a good movie.
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Yeah, that's interesting. I agree. I was engaged the whole time.
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I felt it was a little bit slow, though, I'm
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going to disagree with you on that. At the two
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hour running time I did not think was necessary. I
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think this could have been done stepping in my complaints
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already been done in probably an hour and forty five hour,
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forty minutes. But you're right, I also was engaged, and
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I mean, let's get into it. Let's talk about the cast.
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I mean, let's talk about Sean Penn, who plays Mick O'Brien,
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who is a thief. He's a thug, and he's sixteen
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years old and committing crimes on the street as you described,
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and then ends up in this facility. Now, man, he's
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got such a baby face. He's twenty two years old
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when this comes out, and he looks like he's sixteen.
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This is a year after Fast Times, and he looks younger.
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That blew my mind. I kept thinking, wait, because I
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kept thinking this movie came out in eighty two, because
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I'm like, there's no way.
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Super super young. He's excellent. Of course, he's raw, he's natural.
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So I really appreciated his performance. I mean, could you
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actually count on both hands how many lines he has
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in this movie. He really doesn't speak that.
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Much, No, he doesn't. Everything's in his face.
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Yeah, completely. This is a great example of face acting.
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It's all in the eyes. And I'll get to that
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later on in one of my favorite scenes. Actually, because
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he's very stoic he's very cold. And the thing about
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this movie was I'm trying to figure out who am
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I supposed to be invested in, Who is a redeemable
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character and whose journey is am I supposed to Well,
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obviously it's Mike O'Brien has Sean Penn, But it didn't
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seem like anything was happening until the end and then
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I got it. I got it, and it got me,
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so it was effective, I have to say that much.
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Okay, he's great in this. You think about this cast.
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Most of these people, it's their first roles right right,
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and most of them are still working here today, credit
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to the casting department. And I think that's what really
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kept me invested, was just watching all these actors in
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young roles. Just everybody pretty much just knocked him out
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of the park. I was just interested in all the characters,
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even though I know these are all bad people and
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I should not care or get two shits about him
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because they've done wrong.
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Real wrong, like yes, homicide, multiple I want to talk
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about Clancy Brown real quick. He's just at the top
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of my mind because we were just talking about Buckaroo Bonzai,
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but this is actually his feature film debut as Viking
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Lofgren And this is Clancy Brown's first credit on IMDb
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of three hundred and fifty seven credits. Here he is
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making his debut and makes a real impact. I think
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he's great in this with the blonde fro if you will, Yes,
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when he's jogging in his jeens, which has got to
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be really tough. He's very off putting in this, very disturbing.
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I mean, what can you say? It's Clancy Brown. He's awesome.
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Yeah, he plays a great bully in this without being
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a stereotypical bully. He knows how to push people's buttons
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more what's a look or a quick line doesn't go
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to over the top. And yes, the Viking nickname is
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awesome because his blonde locked. He is really good in this,
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and I think I was surprised to learn this. This
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was his first role. He's still doing it today. Amazing. Yeah.
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he's got the height right, he's what six two sixty
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three at least, so he's he might be, so he's
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towering over everybody. But listeners, we're talking about these cast
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of characters that are all, you know, stuck in this no,
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I'm not stuck, but they landed in this juvenile prison.
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I'm gonna say prison as well from now on. And
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it's a dreary situation, and they're all intimidating, and they're
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all going up against each other, and I want to
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talk about next. We've got Eric Gurry, who plays the
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character of Verry Horowitz, who basically is Sean Penn's buddy
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in this if you will, his best friend, his cellmate.
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Right now, what did you think of Eric Gurry who's
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playing this kid we're talking about these kids that have
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committed serious crimes. He fire bombed a bowling alley and
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killed multiple people and says it as if it was nothing,
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just kind of saying, this is why I'm here, and
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then befriends Sean Penn's character Mike O'Brien, What did you
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think of Eric Gurry's performance as Horowitz?
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Had to laugh because when I first saw him, I'm like,
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oh my god, he looks like a young Barry Manilow.
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And then when you find out his famous Barry Horowitz,
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I just kind of called him young Barry.
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Sure, Okay, I was like, oh my god, this.
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Would be so funny if this is the Barry Manilow story,
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and this is how Barry started it out at juvenile
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detention center and then he turns his life around becomes
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this amazing musician. But as a character, yeah, he could
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have been annoying. He really could have. It's really a
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fine line. I thought he was good because he's the
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one that pretty much he gives the audience the information.
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For sure.
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He's letting us as audience know who the players are
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and what they do. And I did find it odd
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that right away he tells O'Brien what he did. Oh yeah,
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I firebombed Bowling Alley, killed three people. Unfortunately was the
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wrong people. Like wow, that's very forthcoming. But that's who
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he kind of is the actor himself. He's only done
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four movies. I think this was the second one, and
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he is probably the weak of everyone in it. There
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are a couple of lines that he delivers them like
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h right. But I did like him. I like the
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fact that social Butterfly could not handle being an isolation.
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He needs to be around people. So I did like
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a But yes, I do think he was the weak link, right,
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know what's going on and everything we find out is
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through him.
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That's right, because he's been there for a while. So
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that's a great point, and I totally agree with you.
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I think he is the weak link as an actor.
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I had an issue with his performance at first, but
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like you said, this is the interesting thing about this movie.
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I actually became more and more invested in him as
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the movie goes on, and I think he plays it
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in a way that is forced. He's a young actor.
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It seems he's playing the character. He's playing at it
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instead of being the character, if that makes any sense,
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And it makes total sense from my point of view
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watching it, because that's who he would be. He would
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be putting on a front the entire time. He would
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be trying to be bigger than he is because he's small.
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So as it went on, I was like, oh, you
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know what, I actually buy this performance. Maybe it's by happenstance,
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like it's by mistake, like that he's not a very
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good actor, but because he's playing at it the whole time,
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it's like, yeah, that would make sense. Is this young
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guy that he's just got to put up a front,
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he's got to put up he's got to be try
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to be bigger than he is the entire time. It's
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a weird thing about this movie. But moving on, I
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don't want to spend too much time. But it's just
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like going down this cast list. Isi morales Man, what
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can you say? I love this guy. I've always loved him.
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He's been in our lives for so long. What a
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great head of hair, That's all I'm going to say,
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first and foremost perfect? Right, yes, obviously still kicking ask
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the guy literally does not age. I don't know it.
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He doesn't. He looks the same outside of his gray hair.
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I don't know how he doesn't. Back in the eighties
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he was in LaBamba, of course, and then a couple
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episodes of Miami Vice between eighty five and eighty seven.
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So good to see him here in this as the
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main antagonist. He's outstanding. He's a handsome guy, really handsome,
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has always looked the same.
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Yep, he's really good. He doesn't fall into the stereotypes,
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and he commands the room. He's in charge of their gang,
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right they have in Chicago. In a way, we're supposed
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to be rooting against him, or in a way rooting
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for him, because O'Brien killed his brother so he has
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a reason to be vengeful. But then he turns around
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and rapes O'Brien's girlfriend. Oh it's oh shitty. So it
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just makes them terrible. But why am I invested this guy?
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He's a bad person. We've seen him already kill someone,
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rape someone. Should be like O'Brien, just fucking kill him
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call it a day, yay, But no, I want to
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know what's going on with them.
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Yeah, it's a great point. So this is the question, right,
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why are we investing in these characters? Because this is
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really really a dark movie. So we're watching Mick O'Brien,
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Sean Penn's character, and he's dealing with a dysfunctional family.
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We see him at home, it's a broken home. He
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has no father figure. Then we see Issi Morales as
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Paco Moreno, who's supposed to be the main antagonist. But
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we see his family situation, and we see how much
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he cares about his younger brother, about his mother. We
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see his family, although he's clearly a drug dealer and
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he's going down the wrong path, but we are immediately
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somehow empathetic to his situation or investing in because of
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we can see inside that family situation, and it's not
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an easy thing that he's dealing with. And that's the
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other thing is like, we see these kids, it's really hardcore.
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We see them in the high school life, which is
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the segue to my next actor I want to talk about,
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which is Alan Ruck. It's really weird seeing him so
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young in this. I really will always know him as
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Cameron from Farisuler's day Off, of course, but to see
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him and then in the high school situation, they're just babies,
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but then out on the streets they're committing adult crimes
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and it's pretty rough. But I didn't know if you
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had anything to say about seeing Alan Ruck, because he's
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got a good part in this and he's really good.
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We'll talk about it soon here, but any thoughts on
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Alan Ruck.
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I don't know what to say. Besides I'm like, holy shit,
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it's Cameron, that's all they came to mind. And what
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his fate ends up being that was a surprise to me.
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What wasn't a surprise. I knew what happened to him,
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but still seeing it happen was a surprise. Wow, good
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guy Cameron from Paris Bueler Here he is kind of
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part of a gang also it blew my mind.
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Yeah, yeah, he's great. I'm just gonna give a couple
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more shout outs. One being the standout for me in
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this film was Rennie Santoni playing counselor Ramon Herrera. I
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recognized him right away. Spoiler alert. I'm going to talk
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about him later. Anyway, I thought he was really solid.
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He kind of was the anchor in this. I don't know,
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he was the grounding factor in this. I just really
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enjoyed how he dealt with make O'Brien's, you know, the
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Sean Penn's character, and then Paco after that, but everybody
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in the juvenile detension facility. I just wanted to give
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him a shout out. And then moving right on to Ali.
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Sheety here she is in this. I think she was
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under used in this. I have a little bit of
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complaint about that. I'm not sure. I wished she had
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a bigger part in this. In a way, I understand
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why she's in the film and the purpose she has,
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but in a way would have liked to seen her
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have a little more to do. I don't know if
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you had any feelings about that.
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I kind of thought the same thing as you, was like, oh,
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I'd like to see her more in this because you
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really don't see her in the third act, but it's
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how do you put her in? Then we have scenes
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where she's going to visit and like, eh, I don't
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need to see that.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had a theory, man like if
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we shouldn't be doing this, but we can't help, but
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do this is rewrite the movie in the way we
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would like to see it. There's a different version of
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this where mixed journey. You know he's going through hell,
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but it's to get back to her. Like there's a
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love story at the center of this, but you can't
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really focus on it because obviously he's in in Juvie
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the whole time. But I would have liked to have
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seen him go back to that. I actually had a
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question for you. Here's a question. It's one of my
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additional questions. I'm gonna step on it right now. So
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towards the end, we know there's going to be this
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climax between Mick and Paco. That's Sean Penn and Isai Morales.
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We see Sean Penn in his bomb and he has
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the photo of j C. That's Ali Sheety's character, his
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girlfriend and he lights it on fire, he burns it.
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What do you think that meant at the.
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End, I thought it was he thinks he's going to die. Yeah,
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and he's pretty much saying his goodbye to her.
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Okay, I agree. It was his way of saying goodbye.
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He thought it was over, he had to let go.
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It was a way of letting go. But that was
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really really upsetting real quick. Just talking about the background
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of this movie, which is the juvenile correction facility system itself.
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I mean, there's so many aspects of it. Walking the
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gauntlet when they first arrive is absolutely brutal. They're getting
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spit on. You learn about the point system. Does the
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point system even work? We learned terms like barn boss,
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critical offenders. All these so called supervisors in the system
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are absolutely useless outside of her era. In my opinion,
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it's pretty stark. But I thought it was a very
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very realistic view on that and take on that. I
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thought it was well depicted.
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I agree with that also. And just going back to
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Ali Sheety's character, mm hmm. I think the thing that
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was here she is with O'Brien, he's in jail. Well,
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she has that conversation with her dad and the dad
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basically says that he kills someone. Yeah, and she's like, no,
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it was an accident. That the fact that she still
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misses him and pines for him, I'm like, oh, yeah,
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that just explains a lot about today. It's like he's
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a bad character, but she still loves him, and it
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just shows love cancels a lot.
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Yeah, it's high school love. Also, you nailed it. I
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mean again, back to the title bad boys. You said
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it earlier. That's the point is that these are bad kids,
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their bad seeds and whether they you know, they got
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dealt a bad deck of cards. Sure, but they've committed
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some really serious crimes. And that's interesting because we'll talk
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about a little bit more later because I was looking
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to see how Sean Penn was going to actually process that,
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if he would process that, because again, Herrera, the counselor,
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asks him, hey, how do you feel about what you've done?
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Why you're here, and if you ever want to talk
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about it, I'm here, talk to me, and he initially
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is like, I don't feel anything, But at the very
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very very end, we see him break down. It almost
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chokes me up. Right now, It's like, ah, that's it,
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that's the point he finally felt something.
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Yeah, it's tough because with these characters, the system doesn't
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help them on the outside and for the most part,
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doesn't help him on the inside. There they've just been
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dealt a bad hand in life. Yep, it's tough and
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it's tough to watch it, but it's interesting to watch
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it too, and that's just what kept me engaged.
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Yeah, they're in the system, and this is an inside
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look at that whole, that whole process, and it's it's rough, man.
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So my last thought here is that I just appreciated
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the realism. It's wrong, it's rough, it's well acted, it's
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well directed. But I don't know if i'd ever need
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to see this movie again to be it's pretty brutal.
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Yeah it is, but I did enjoyed it. I didn't
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mind putting them back on to watch it again. Good
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all right, Okay, let's move on to favorite scenes or
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moments where some of our favorite scenes or moments from
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Bad Boys and our first two are exactly the same. Yep,
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you want start with the first one, Yeah, let's let's
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talk about it. It's the street shootout, it's the uh,
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basically the drug deal gone wrong. Majorly wrong. So it's intense,
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it's well directed. It's the build up because we know
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what's going to happen here. We know that Mick and
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his friend I think it's Carl, that's Ah played by
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Alan Ruck.
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They're going to interrupt this drug deal. They're going to
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snatch the drugs. That's the plan. And it just goes right.
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I mean it's a shootout, literally, a shootout in the
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middle of the street, shotguns blasting people, going through glass windows.
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I just I can't believe. I just remember, this isn't
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that how you you'd like to go if Bill bent
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That's what you said after first death right. So it's heartbreaking.
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And one of the moments too, is what I like
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about the sequence is it's so frenetic. It's so hectic.
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When Mick is driving away, when racing away in the car,
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leaving his best friend Carl behind dead, he's crashing into cars.
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I love that, absolutely love that. It's totally insane. He's
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just a kid who's committed, you know. Now, Then when
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he actually runs into to Paco Moreno's younger brother, absolutely brutal.
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It's well edited and it's awful. It's hard to even
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say that any of these scenes in this movie is
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my favor team because they're all brutal, but it's just
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well filmed, and you're like, what's gonna happen to this
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kid now? Because he literally hits that young kid after
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going off to the side of the road and then
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driving into it basically an explosion, and it's just it's awful,
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but it's action packed and it's totally chaotic, and you're like,
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I don't know what's going to happen to any of
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these people after this.
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Yeah. I like the chaos in the scene where we
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have O'Brien and Carl and they just think, Okay, we're
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gonna surprise Paco and his boys take to drugs and
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we're home free. And then of course the other gang
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is supposed to meet Paco's group for this deal. See
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what the other half of the deal. Yeah, and they
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interfere and just craziness, craziness stuff. Unfortunately we see on
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the news all the time, and here it is on
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film watching it happen and just seeing Alan Ruck get
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shot twice, Carl and die that was holy crap. And
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when they did the shot of Poco's brothers standing there
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right away, I was like, Oh no, you knew what
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was going to happen. He was gonna somehow get caught
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in the crossfire and he gets run over brutally and
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we're on our way.
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Yeah, this is Chicago, and I love there's a line
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when the African American gang part of this is approaching
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in their car right before they see Mick crossing the
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road with his gun. They're like, oh my god, he's
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got a gun. They there's a line where they actually
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say this is a rough neighborhood. You're like, damn if
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they're saying this is a rough neighborhood, this is a
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really fucking rough neighborhood, and you get it. I mean,
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this is what's happened. These are teenage kids walking through
474
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the streets with a suitcase of drugs and shotguns are
475
00:27:03.559 --> 00:27:06.880
getting pulled out and all that. It's really violent, and
476
00:27:07.200 --> 00:27:09.640
this is the whole inciting incident, right, I mean, this
477
00:27:09.720 --> 00:27:12.240
is what kicks off all the things to come in
478
00:27:12.279 --> 00:27:13.920
this movie. So it's brutal.
479
00:27:14.319 --> 00:27:17.000
Yeah. So for the next scene that Jason and I
480
00:27:17.039 --> 00:27:20.039
both agree on who's one of our favorites, it's when
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Viking and Tweety get their asses kicked by O'Brien. So
482
00:27:25.480 --> 00:27:29.000
when O'Brien goes to the prison, basically the head honcho's there.
483
00:27:29.119 --> 00:27:34.799
The barn bosses are Tweety and Viking, and they pretty
484
00:27:34.880 --> 00:27:38.000
much rule the prison juvenile.
485
00:27:37.599 --> 00:27:41.279
I love that Horowitz actually calls them smacks. I had
486
00:27:41.279 --> 00:27:45.799
the close captioning on I call some smacks, but they yeah,
487
00:27:45.880 --> 00:27:47.799
you are correct, they are the barn bosses, but they
488
00:27:47.799 --> 00:27:51.720
have different It's just the the verbiage is just it's
489
00:27:51.839 --> 00:27:52.839
very interesting.
490
00:27:53.240 --> 00:27:55.319
They give you the jobs you're supposed to do there.
491
00:27:55.640 --> 00:27:59.400
They harassed, intimidate, and do everything to all these other
492
00:27:59.440 --> 00:28:04.480
people in the juvenile center. And both of them just
493
00:28:04.519 --> 00:28:07.319
have it out for O'Brien because they think O'Brien has
494
00:28:07.359 --> 00:28:12.400
squealed because Tweety has killed someone in the juvenile center. Right,
495
00:28:12.880 --> 00:28:17.079
So O'Brien realizes he better do something before something is
496
00:28:17.119 --> 00:28:21.680
done to him, So he gets a pillowcase, fills it
497
00:28:21.759 --> 00:28:26.599
with soda cans, and Tweety and Viking come into his
498
00:28:26.839 --> 00:28:30.640
cell to talk. Basically they're going to kick his ass,
499
00:28:30.960 --> 00:28:35.920
and O'Brien strikes first and beats the shit out of
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00:28:36.000 --> 00:28:41.000
Tweety and Viking with the pillowcase full of cans. Just
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00:28:41.039 --> 00:28:45.319
bloody mess and doing so, Brian's now the head honcho
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00:28:45.720 --> 00:28:48.680
of the juvenile Census off, so now he's in a
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00:28:48.759 --> 00:28:52.079
new barn boss because of this. It's brutal, like he
504
00:28:52.359 --> 00:28:55.079
smacks Viking right the just busts his nose right away,
505
00:28:55.240 --> 00:28:58.559
puts him down. There goes after tweety and just swinging
506
00:28:58.559 --> 00:29:02.200
the shit out of that pillowcase. And he eventually gets
507
00:29:02.400 --> 00:29:06.279
dragged away and the pillowcase is all bloodied. It's a mess.
508
00:29:06.599 --> 00:29:08.680
But you had to do it or else it was
509
00:29:09.039 --> 00:29:11.200
him first if he doesn't do anything.
510
00:29:11.680 --> 00:29:15.400
So this is the trial, and he passes the trial
511
00:29:16.000 --> 00:29:20.440
with flying colors in the most awful way. What's the51200:29:20.680 --> 00:29:24.799
Stanley Kubrick film. I have to ask you this question, though, Jacket. Yeah,51300:29:24.880 --> 00:29:28.279
so that's the comparison, right, what's more brutal the pillowcase51400:29:28.359 --> 00:29:32.880
filled with the bars of soap beating up Vincentinafrio or51500:29:33.640 --> 00:29:36.680
this sequence. Because I was taken aback by this. I51600:29:36.720 --> 00:29:38.720
was shocked by it, and I knew it was coming51700:29:38.720 --> 00:29:42.880
because I knew some of the events that were occurring51800:29:42.880 --> 00:29:46.200
in this film before seeing it. But even when it happened,51900:29:46.839 --> 00:29:50.160
when he hits Clancy Brown in the face and Clancy52000:29:50.200 --> 00:29:53.519
Brown screams and you just see the blood splatter all52100:29:53.559 --> 00:29:57.559
over his nose. He's just busted up immediately. It's like52200:29:57.880 --> 00:30:01.240
these are soda cans in a pillowcase. He is literally52300:30:01.319 --> 00:30:05.160
beating the living shit out of these guys. What I52400:30:05.200 --> 00:30:09.240
love about it is that he doesn't hesitate, which makes52500:30:09.400 --> 00:30:14.880
complete sense. When Viking enters his cell, he knows exactly52600:30:14.920 --> 00:30:17.960
what's going to happen. There's no discussion because literally Viking52700:30:18.039 --> 00:30:20.400
puts his finger on his shoulder and says, hey, scumbag,52800:30:20.640 --> 00:30:24.599
and Mick is like it's on, and he just swings52900:30:25.200 --> 00:30:28.079
right around and kicks the crap out of him. I53000:30:28.160 --> 00:30:31.039
don't know how they weren't killed, and.53100:30:31.640 --> 00:30:33.359
It's right, yeah, this killer be killed.53200:30:33.960 --> 00:30:39.559
Yeah, we have no choice. Very effective, very impactful, Definitely53300:30:39.920 --> 00:30:41.079
one of the standout scenes.53400:30:41.559 --> 00:30:44.000
Yep, we're onto you.53500:30:44.759 --> 00:30:48.519
Yeah, okay, so this is the breakout. I mean, any53600:30:48.559 --> 00:30:52.160
movie that has anything to do with a jail, a prison,53700:30:52.359 --> 00:30:54.519
we love a good jail break right. I mean, it's53800:30:54.880 --> 00:30:56.839
even if it's some bad dudes. This is kind of53900:30:56.960 --> 00:30:59.559
something I was thinking about. You're always rooting for the54000:30:59.599 --> 00:31:02.519
prisoner to escape. You just want to see him get out.54100:31:02.599 --> 00:31:05.799
How are they going to get out right, and it's54200:31:05.799 --> 00:31:10.279
cool to see Horowitz using the corrosive material to burn54300:31:10.319 --> 00:31:13.480
through the fence and they make a run for it54400:31:13.519 --> 00:31:16.000
and they make it, and it's just it's exciting. It's exciting.54500:31:16.039 --> 00:31:18.079
But the thing about the scene that I like the54600:31:18.119 --> 00:31:22.519
most is that it's absolutely heartbreaking because Mick has found54700:31:22.519 --> 00:31:26.880
out that his girlfriend played by Ali Sheety named jayce Is,54800:31:27.599 --> 00:31:32.039
has endured serious trauma at the hands of Paco Moreno.54900:31:32.200 --> 00:31:36.519
He raped her to get revenge for his younger brother's death.55000:31:37.119 --> 00:31:40.119
Mick knows about it, and he needs to see her.55100:31:40.240 --> 00:31:43.039
He has to see her. What I love about this again,55200:31:43.319 --> 00:31:47.400
we said this earlier face acting. He doesn't speak one line.55300:31:48.119 --> 00:31:51.920
When he gets to Jace's house. He goes in this55400:31:52.079 --> 00:31:57.240
look when he sees her. Her face is completely bruised55500:31:57.640 --> 00:32:02.880
from the brutal attack by Paco, and he is crying.55600:32:03.559 --> 00:32:06.960
He's just teary eyed. And it makes me cry to55700:32:07.039 --> 00:32:09.720
watch that. I watched it again and I actually cried55800:32:10.599 --> 00:32:13.400
while watching it because Sean Penn is a brilliant actor.55900:32:14.079 --> 00:32:17.759
At age twenty two, he's living it and to see56000:32:17.799 --> 00:32:20.680
that she had to go through that as a result56100:32:20.759 --> 00:32:24.640
of something that he had done. By accident, but still56200:32:24.720 --> 00:32:28.279
something he had done. Hugs her, kisses her, and then56300:32:28.359 --> 00:32:35.559
has to go back right back to Juvie. It's absolutely brutal, heartbreaking, bittersweet,56400:32:35.960 --> 00:32:41.400
wonderfully performed, and barely any lines, barely any speaking at all.56500:32:41.960 --> 00:32:44.200
He just needed to see her, That's it.56600:32:44.400 --> 00:32:46.400
So romantic. It's really romantic.56700:32:46.960 --> 00:32:48.759
And I think he broke out doing he was going56800:32:48.839 --> 00:32:54.440
to get caught, but he was willing to take that risk. Yeah,56900:32:54.480 --> 00:32:58.400
and yeah, he's free for all of maybe five hours.57000:32:58.759 --> 00:33:02.039
Yeah, And I feel bad for Horwitz in this situation57100:33:02.079 --> 00:33:05.599
because he actually gets caught in the barber way. Oh yeah,57200:33:05.880 --> 00:33:07.359
gets the shit beat out of him by one of57300:33:07.359 --> 00:33:10.319
the supervisors, and it's just like God, this movie's brutal. Man.57400:33:10.960 --> 00:33:16.160
Yeah, Wagner, what yep. My final favorite scene or moment57500:33:16.799 --> 00:33:20.920
is when the radio blows up in Viking's face, because57600:33:20.920 --> 00:33:24.240
I knew this was going to happen mm hmm, and57700:33:24.440 --> 00:33:27.000
it was Horrorwitz just getting revenge. And we see this57800:33:27.000 --> 00:33:30.000
throughout the movie. Anyone that fucked with Horowitz, he's somehow57900:33:30.640 --> 00:33:34.599
was able to retaliate, and he's very good with electronics,58000:33:35.279 --> 00:33:37.839
and he somehow wires an explosive in a radio and58100:33:37.880 --> 00:33:43.839
leaves the radio in Viking's cell and you're Viking picks58200:33:43.839 --> 00:33:46.279
it up and it's the eighties. Used to put the58300:33:46.279 --> 00:33:49.400
boom box to your ear and he's listening to radio58400:33:49.599 --> 00:33:52.519
and just the tension, because the whole time, I'm like, Okay,58500:33:52.599 --> 00:33:55.279
this thing's gonna explode. When's it gonna explode? What are58600:33:55.279 --> 00:33:58.440
we going to see? When's it gonna explode? So he's58700:33:58.440 --> 00:34:00.960
playing it, nothing's happening. He goes out to talk to58800:34:01.000 --> 00:34:04.519
some of the other inmates like, Hey, where'd this radio58900:34:04.599 --> 00:34:06.799
come from? Uh, it's mine now, blah blah blah, and59000:34:06.799 --> 00:34:08.239
then he goes back in the cell and he's listening59100:34:08.239 --> 00:34:10.239
to some more and then it does like a little59200:34:10.360 --> 00:34:13.519
pop and he just looks at it, and the whole59300:34:13.519 --> 00:34:15.519
time like, oh my god, just put it down. Put59400:34:15.559 --> 00:34:18.039
it down. Even though he's an asshole, you know, you59500:34:18.079 --> 00:34:19.599
don't like it. Throughout this movie, I don't want to59600:34:19.639 --> 00:34:22.920
see anything horrible happened to him. And then the radio59700:34:22.960 --> 00:34:26.880
finally blows and then he's a bloody mess and that's59800:34:26.920 --> 00:34:28.559
the end of Viking. For the rest of the movie.59900:34:28.800 --> 00:34:31.840
He doesn't die, but he gets made pretty well. But60000:34:31.960 --> 00:34:34.599
just the tension was driving me nuts thousand percent.60100:34:35.039 --> 00:34:40.320
The pacing is brilliant. It's so deliberate, and it's like,60200:34:40.800 --> 00:34:43.559
when is it gonna happen? When is okay, Nope, oh60300:34:43.599 --> 00:34:46.679
it's not gonna happen. Oh wait, it does happen, and60400:34:46.760 --> 00:34:50.880
it's awful. I love the fact that they give Horrowitz60500:34:50.920 --> 00:34:54.119
that skill set. Then he's able to fix the radios.60600:34:54.719 --> 00:34:56.920
That's kind of one of his things. Like he's a60700:34:56.960 --> 00:35:01.360
technical genius and he uses what is it, like fertilizer60800:35:01.719 --> 00:35:06.440
or something to yeah, to rig that's it's kind of unique.60900:35:06.440 --> 00:35:10.000
But that's again, this is what these kids do like61000:35:10.079 --> 00:35:13.880
and that's very typical in prison situations, right where they61100:35:13.920 --> 00:35:17.199
have to use what they have, they get creative in61200:35:17.320 --> 00:35:21.239
order to basically mess each other up to survive or61300:35:21.320 --> 00:35:24.039
to protect themselves, right, and this is one where he's61400:35:24.119 --> 00:35:29.719
just getting ultimate vengeance upon Viking, and you make it's61500:35:29.800 --> 00:35:32.039
interesting when you talk about Viking and you talk about61600:35:32.079 --> 00:35:35.719
Clancy Brown, because as much as an asshole as he is,61700:35:36.199 --> 00:35:38.480
there's something about him where you just feel like he's61800:35:38.519 --> 00:35:43.000
just a big, really insecure dude and you don't want61900:35:43.039 --> 00:35:46.840
to see him get maimed in that way. But I mean,62000:35:46.840 --> 00:35:49.679
that's his come uppance. It's not as if he didn't62100:35:49.679 --> 00:35:52.159
deserve it, but you're like ah at at the same time,62200:35:52.960 --> 00:35:55.679
it's tough. So yeah, it's a great call man, great scene.62300:35:55.760 --> 00:35:58.360
Yeah, we shouldn't be feeling sorry for his characters, but62400:35:58.360 --> 00:36:06.159
but you do still do weird weird Okay, So move62500:36:06.159 --> 00:36:08.880
on to Swiss Cheese and complaints apartment and what do62600:36:09.000 --> 00:36:10.119
we call it Swiss cheese?62700:36:10.719 --> 00:36:14.639
Because although this movie is delicious, it does have shive holes.62800:36:15.000 --> 00:36:17.280
Yeah, so it doesn't have any of those shive holes.62900:36:17.360 --> 00:36:20.280
We just file a complaint with the complaint department. So63000:36:20.679 --> 00:36:22.920
do you have any cheese or complaints?63100:36:23.159 --> 00:36:26.239
I've got a few questions and or complaints.63200:36:26.719 --> 00:36:28.960
This has got to be Swiss cheese. I don't think63300:36:29.000 --> 00:36:33.719
there's any way they would put O'Brien and Paco in63400:36:33.760 --> 00:36:36.719
the same Yeah. I don't care what the circumstances were.63500:36:36.719 --> 00:36:38.880
If they had nowhere else to put them, they would63600:36:38.880 --> 00:36:41.159
not put those two together. Know in their history they63700:36:41.199 --> 00:36:45.400
we don't have a movie, but they absolutely explain around it.63800:36:45.440 --> 00:36:48.920
But no way, no way, No.63900:36:48.920 --> 00:36:51.079
You're setting it all up for failure. I mean, that's64000:36:51.159 --> 00:36:54.480
just there's no way that would ever happen. Yeah, you64100:36:54.480 --> 00:36:58.880
would do everything to avoid that. M hm, so totally agree.64200:36:59.320 --> 00:37:04.679
Let's just talk about everything is surrounding Paco versus Mick. Initially,64300:37:05.360 --> 00:37:09.119
Herrera the counselor, he's too smart to have not seen64400:37:09.159 --> 00:37:14.800
it coming from Paco fans pendicitus, and it's like, it's64500:37:14.800 --> 00:37:18.199
the night before he's being transferred. It's too convenient, there's64600:37:18.280 --> 00:37:22.199
no way that. I was like, ah, Herrera's too smart64700:37:22.239 --> 00:37:24.840
to play it into that, right.64800:37:25.440 --> 00:37:29.079
I think just overall, the guys who work there are terrible.64900:37:30.840 --> 00:37:33.559
They're just collecting a check. I was surprised they even65000:37:33.599 --> 00:37:36.880
have him go to school. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they have65100:37:36.960 --> 00:37:40.079
that whole system. And part of me was like, do65200:37:40.119 --> 00:37:42.159
you get points for doing these things? Are you supposed65300:37:42.159 --> 00:37:44.679
to get points? Taking away? Because he's talking when they65400:37:44.760 --> 00:37:46.760
check in, it's like, oh, yeah, no smoking. And then65500:37:46.800 --> 00:37:48.719
you turn over and there's like ten kids are right65600:37:48.760 --> 00:37:51.719
in front of me smoking, right, and the fact they65700:37:51.719 --> 00:37:55.639
do the walk and everyone's spitting on them. You're allowing this?65800:37:56.280 --> 00:37:58.159
Why are you allowing this? Don't tell me this is65900:37:58.159 --> 00:37:59.719
an initiation. These are kids.66000:38:00.360 --> 00:38:03.480
It's gross, it's awful, and it's negligent on the part66100:38:03.480 --> 00:38:06.840
of the supervisor. Yeah. I was taken aback by that. Yeah,66200:38:06.880 --> 00:38:10.119
it was just like we see this in movies, like66300:38:10.239 --> 00:38:13.039
you know, anything that takes place in a jail or66400:38:13.079 --> 00:38:16.480
a prison where the supervisors are either being paid off66500:38:16.599 --> 00:38:19.039
or they're in on it and they're you know, complete,66600:38:19.199 --> 00:38:22.320
you know, complicit or whatever. But in this case, it's66700:38:22.400 --> 00:38:25.400
just like, these are kids. What are you doing? Guys?66800:38:25.760 --> 00:38:26.679
Why are you even there?66900:38:27.280 --> 00:38:27.480
Then?67000:38:28.280 --> 00:38:30.480
Why is the points system even in place? That was67100:38:30.519 --> 00:38:33.960
a question I had. Here's another question complaint I had67200:38:34.039 --> 00:38:39.800
is that we see Mick with the SODACN scene brutally67300:38:39.960 --> 00:38:44.639
take out Viking and Tweety, but then when he's totally67400:38:44.719 --> 00:38:47.639
prepared for Paco to enter his cell at the end67500:38:48.079 --> 00:38:52.079
he's hiding great comes out of the dark and doesn't67600:38:52.239 --> 00:38:55.039
take him out first and foremost like doesn't literally just67700:38:55.559 --> 00:38:58.599
knock him out or kill him in that in that moment.67800:38:59.280 --> 00:39:01.239
I had a problem with that is like, you really67900:39:01.280 --> 00:39:05.599
are taking Paco by surprise, here's your mortal enemy, and68000:39:05.639 --> 00:39:08.679
you have an opportunity to just snap his neck and68100:39:08.719 --> 00:39:12.639
he doesn't, and then this whole fight sequence ensues.68200:39:12.800 --> 00:39:17.159
Right yeah, And speaking of the fight sequence, because yeah, yeah,68300:39:17.159 --> 00:39:20.599
well Brian does get stabbed in the leg. Fight ends68400:39:20.599 --> 00:39:23.239
he goes back to a cell that could need some68500:39:23.280 --> 00:39:25.519
serious medical attention. Where are you?68600:39:25.960 --> 00:39:28.639
That's I haven't read the credits roll. We see all68700:39:28.679 --> 00:39:32.280
the juvenile detenees return to their cells and its lights out.68800:39:32.599 --> 00:39:35.519
How about some medical attention for Mick? That's what I68900:39:35.559 --> 00:39:38.280
wrote down. Couldn't agree with you more. Man, It's like69000:39:38.639 --> 00:39:40.239
he gets stabbed multiple times.69100:39:40.719 --> 00:39:44.000
Not superficial, Nope, they could be life threatening.69200:39:44.519 --> 00:39:49.079
Oh absolutely, yeah, absolutely, So there's a little bit with69300:39:49.119 --> 00:39:53.000
the violence in this there's some It seems like, speaking69400:39:53.000 --> 00:39:54.800
of the soda can scene, that was my last thing69500:39:54.840 --> 00:39:58.960
to say, is that he smashes Viking in the face69600:40:00.079 --> 00:40:04.679
those soda cans, Like we're talking about broken bones, broken nose,69700:40:04.760 --> 00:40:08.400
broken things, and it just seems like, I know there69800:40:08.400 --> 00:40:12.039
has been some time passage, but Viking has like a69900:40:12.039 --> 00:40:14.639
couple of scars on his face. It just seems like70000:40:15.079 --> 00:40:18.280
he and Tweedy would be really really messed up for70100:40:18.320 --> 00:40:18.880
a while.70200:40:18.760 --> 00:40:19.760
That worse shape than they are.70300:40:19.920 --> 00:40:21.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah.70400:40:21.079 --> 00:40:25.400
Speaking of accidents, when Mick drives the car, hits Paco's70500:40:25.400 --> 00:40:29.079
brother and then crashes the fiery fall of flame, how70600:40:29.079 --> 00:40:30.000
do you survive.70700:40:29.719 --> 00:40:33.599
That that's a full on explosion because.70800:40:33.320 --> 00:40:37.400
You hear someone yell basically, don't go to the car. Right,70900:40:38.039 --> 00:40:40.119
it was like, how did O'Brien get out?71000:40:40.280 --> 00:40:41.480
I don't know, I don't know.71100:40:41.800 --> 00:40:43.519
Not only should he have all those cuts and bruise71200:40:43.559 --> 00:40:46.360
over his face, he should have second or third degree burns.71300:40:46.760 --> 00:40:49.760
Oh yeah, a thousand. I did appreciate that he did71400:40:49.800 --> 00:40:52.320
have those scars on his face. Oh yeah, Like he71500:40:52.360 --> 00:40:55.320
does look messed up at least, but you're gonna put71600:40:55.360 --> 00:40:59.440
him in a fiery explosion. He should be like.71700:41:00.360 --> 00:41:06.000
Yeahs until he gets sentenced because of all damage to him.71800:41:06.280 --> 00:41:07.519
Right, it's pretty extreme.71900:41:09.519 --> 00:41:11.599
And then my last thing, how does Wagner still have72000:41:11.639 --> 00:41:14.440
a job after he beats the shit out Horowitz brutal?72100:41:15.039 --> 00:41:18.239
I hate that part and I hate Wagner when that happens,72200:41:18.719 --> 00:41:20.400
because I did watch this a couple times, of course,72300:41:20.440 --> 00:41:22.159
and I saw that coming again the second time, and72400:41:22.159 --> 00:41:26.800
it was like, because Daniel seems like a pretty stand72500:41:26.880 --> 00:41:30.639
up kind of guy as far as supervisors, like these72600:41:30.639 --> 00:41:34.960
supervisors that are mostly negligent, right, he seems to be72700:41:35.239 --> 00:41:38.039
He and Herrera both I guess, are pretty stand up dudes,72800:41:38.079 --> 00:41:43.159
I guess, But and he witnesses this, Wagner should be72900:41:44.119 --> 00:41:47.400
like Noah, he should be fired immediately.73000:41:47.480 --> 00:41:51.760
Yeah, Horowitz didn't provoke him enough to take that beating.73100:41:52.000 --> 00:41:54.159
No, he's a teenage kid. Yeah, you just know, Yeah,73200:41:54.599 --> 00:41:59.119
you don't do it. We're getting emotional here.73300:41:59.119 --> 00:42:02.239
I know. All right, let's move on. Then let's move73400:42:02.280 --> 00:42:04.039
on to Hey, it's that an actor?73500:42:04.639 --> 00:42:05.039
All right?73600:42:05.559 --> 00:42:07.960
So in this segment with spotlighted character actor you have73700:42:08.039 --> 00:42:10.800
seen in many other films, an actor making their big73800:42:10.840 --> 00:42:14.199
screen debut, or an actor that makes an on credited cameo.73900:42:14.760 --> 00:42:17.000
It's Hey, is that actor who we choose this week?74000:42:17.639 --> 00:42:20.159
This week we've chosen for our Hey, it's that actor74100:42:20.719 --> 00:42:24.760
someone I've talked about already. That's Rennie send TONI as74200:42:24.960 --> 00:42:29.360
Ramon Herrera, the supervisor Counselor. He's a character actor from74300:42:29.559 --> 00:42:34.000
New York City. Started as a comedy writer. Carl Reiner74400:42:34.159 --> 00:42:38.440
discovered him and cast him in his semi autobiographical film74500:42:39.119 --> 00:42:43.519
Enter Laughing in nineteen sixty seven. And I'm just gonna74600:42:44.119 --> 00:42:46.800
rattle this off. This is all from IMDb. He would74700:42:46.800 --> 00:42:51.000
go on to offer potent, reliable secondary turns in films,74800:42:51.039 --> 00:42:53.400
playing good guys, bad guy, serious guys, and amusing guys,74900:42:53.440 --> 00:42:57.400
alongside such top names as Clint Eastwood and Dirty Harry75000:42:57.880 --> 00:43:01.000
nineteen seventy one. He starred with Steve Martin and Dead75100:43:01.039 --> 00:43:04.800
Men Don't Wear Platt in eighty two, that was directed75200:43:04.800 --> 00:43:06.800
by Carl Reiner. And then of course he's with Sean75300:43:06.800 --> 00:43:09.960
Penn in this, then Richard Pryor and Brewster's Millions in75400:43:10.000 --> 00:43:13.119
eighty five. This is what I know him from, actually75500:43:13.199 --> 00:43:17.480
is he starred alongside Sylvester Stallone and Cobra in eighty six.75600:43:17.840 --> 00:43:20.039
I remember him being his partner in that, and then75700:43:20.079 --> 00:43:23.440
Gene Hackman in The Package in eighty nine. He was75800:43:23.480 --> 00:43:26.199
alongside Howard Stern in Private Parts in ninety seven, and75900:43:26.239 --> 00:43:28.880
more recently Sandra Bullock in Twenty eight Days in Two76000:43:28.960 --> 00:43:32.199
Year two thousand and Coolio and Gang Wars in two76100:43:32.199 --> 00:43:35.159
thousand and four. In contrast, he also broke into the76200:43:35.280 --> 00:43:40.280
voiceover business and provided expert characterizations wherever needed. He offered76300:43:40.280 --> 00:43:44.559
his vocal skills in Eddie Murphy's Doctor Doolittle and Doctor76400:43:44.599 --> 00:43:48.440
Dolittle too. So Tony did pass away in twenty twenty76500:43:48.679 --> 00:43:52.400
from throat and lung cancer. Again, he was the standout76600:43:52.480 --> 00:43:55.760
for me. I thought he was, outside of Sean Penn,76700:43:55.760 --> 00:43:58.320
probably the best actor in this movie. I mean Eastsi's76800:43:58.360 --> 00:44:03.079
great too, but there was something really uh empathetic about76900:44:03.159 --> 00:44:07.880
him where he genuinely, in moments wanted to help or77000:44:08.000 --> 00:44:10.960
be there as a And I think that it's alluded77100:44:11.000 --> 00:44:13.039
to it in the movie too, is that he was77200:44:13.079 --> 00:44:15.360
a former gang member. Maybe I just read that in77300:44:15.400 --> 00:44:18.440
the research. No, he says that he does say that. Okay, yeah,77400:44:18.480 --> 00:44:20.199
but I really liked him in this.77500:44:20.599 --> 00:44:22.519
Yeah, I did like and he seemed the only one77600:44:22.679 --> 00:44:24.800
that still cared. So I'm like, oh, he must be77700:44:24.920 --> 00:44:28.760
new because compared to the other prole Jesus Christ. But77800:44:30.000 --> 00:44:31.360
it was driving out the wall. I couldn't think of77900:44:31.400 --> 00:44:33.360
anything he was in and Sous said dirty Hary. I78000:44:33.400 --> 00:44:35.400
was like, oh, Jesus, come on, man, I should have78100:44:35.400 --> 00:44:36.280
known that from the get go.78200:44:36.960 --> 00:44:39.840
Yeah for me, that's funny. Yeah, totally. I think about78300:44:39.880 --> 00:44:43.280
that too, And then yeah, Cobra for me. But I78400:44:43.320 --> 00:44:46.679
think he may have been the only like character that78500:44:46.760 --> 00:44:48.400
had some redeeming qualities.78600:44:48.639 --> 00:44:51.760
I guess I agree, all right. Time to move on78700:44:51.800 --> 00:44:54.599
to facts and trivia. Where are some facts in trivia78800:44:54.639 --> 00:44:56.000
we have about Bad Boys?78900:44:57.280 --> 00:45:01.800
Rick Rosenthal, director says Matt Dylan wanted to play the79000:45:01.880 --> 00:45:04.639
lead role of Mick O'Brien, but the director was reluctant.79100:45:05.320 --> 00:45:09.280
He cast Sean Penn on the basis of a reading quote.79200:45:09.360 --> 00:45:11.719
Although I'm crazy about Matt Dylan as an actor, I79300:45:11.760 --> 00:45:15.079
thought he'd already done the role in My Bodyguard, which79400:45:15.119 --> 00:45:17.480
is exactly what I thought when I read this quote.79500:45:17.559 --> 00:45:20.400
I was also afraid that the audience might be conscious79600:45:20.440 --> 00:45:24.039
of a new movie star, where with Penn, they'd only79700:45:24.079 --> 00:45:27.320
be conscious of the character Mick. The director said, Penn79800:45:27.400 --> 00:45:30.400
is a very good actor obsessively, so he went into79900:45:30.480 --> 00:45:33.639
character for the whole shoot and stayed there, had a80000:45:33.679 --> 00:45:38.199
real wolf's head tattooed on his arm, checked into hotels80100:45:38.199 --> 00:45:39.760
as Mick and the whole thing.80200:45:40.559 --> 00:45:41.679
I can see Matt Dylan in.80300:45:41.599 --> 00:45:46.280
This totally, but I also understand what he's saying is that, oh, yeah, exactly,80400:45:46.920 --> 00:45:49.079
he's already a movie star. Like you see Matt Dillon80500:45:49.159 --> 00:45:52.199
and it's like, oh, he was great in My Bodyguard80600:45:52.199 --> 00:45:54.199
as the bully, and he'd be perfect in this movie.80700:45:54.199 --> 00:45:58.920
But then you're like, oh, you're seeing the movie star80800:45:58.960 --> 00:46:01.320
instead of a character. Yeah.80900:46:01.880 --> 00:46:06.039
So, while filming the escape scene, Seanpenn broke an ankle,81000:46:06.119 --> 00:46:10.039
which halted shooting for three months. And I was thinking81100:46:10.079 --> 00:46:11.440
that too. When they were running. I'm like, all right,81200:46:11.480 --> 00:46:13.960
who's going to fall? You always have to have the fall.81300:46:14.239 --> 00:46:17.960
I was not expecting Horowitz to get wrapped up in81400:46:18.079 --> 00:46:22.760
barb wire. So yeah, that terrain was rough for sure.81500:46:22.880 --> 00:46:25.880
Let's just keep talking about Sean Penn, the youth thug81600:46:26.159 --> 00:46:29.400
Mic O'Brien. Sean Penn wanted to have his perfect teeth81700:46:29.840 --> 00:46:34.239
filed down and capped with ugly tops and have maybe81800:46:34.280 --> 00:46:39.280
a few cracked ones, but Penn's mother, a dentist's daughter, intervened,81900:46:39.440 --> 00:46:44.119
ruling that ruining perfectly good teeth is definitely going too far.82000:46:44.920 --> 00:46:47.920
Sean Penn method already at twenty two.82100:46:48.719 --> 00:46:52.360
Yeah, it's like two, come on, one or two other movies, right,82200:46:52.440 --> 00:46:56.599
what's going on here? Oh? This was driving me nuts, Jason.82300:46:56.719 --> 00:47:02.760
So I'm watching the movie and we're introduced to Warden Bendix,82400:47:03.159 --> 00:47:07.000
who's played by Tony Marcus, And the whole time I'm82500:47:07.000 --> 00:47:08.639
watching the sky, I'm like, I've seen this guy in82600:47:08.719 --> 00:47:13.119
something else and he's had a mustache. And then I'm like, oh,82700:47:13.679 --> 00:47:17.360
he's the judge from the Untouchables. So I look up82800:47:17.480 --> 00:47:20.639
his credits. There's no credit for him being in the Untouchables.82900:47:21.199 --> 00:47:22.719
Okay, Like that's weird.83000:47:22.760 --> 00:47:26.280
I'm like, he looks exactly like him. So I go83100:47:26.360 --> 00:47:29.400
onto the IMDb page for The Intouchables to figure out83200:47:29.400 --> 00:47:33.239
who played the judge, and it's Tony Marcus and I'm like,83300:47:33.880 --> 00:47:35.039
what's going on here?83400:47:35.480 --> 00:47:36.400
Yeah, well, guess what.83500:47:36.960 --> 00:47:41.519
It's Tony maccus Senior who plays the judge in The Untouchables.83600:47:41.920 --> 00:47:46.840
And it's Tony Marcus Junior, who plays Warren Bendix in83700:47:47.440 --> 00:47:52.079
Bad Boys. Talk about how close the two of them83800:47:52.119 --> 00:47:54.800
look together, and the and the movies are four years apart,83900:47:54.880 --> 00:47:57.239
so he looks like he would be old enough to84000:47:57.280 --> 00:48:03.000
play the judge in the entires. That blew my mind.84100:48:03.440 --> 00:48:06.280
Yeah, but good on you to catch that resemblance.84200:48:06.360 --> 00:48:10.000
Man, Oh, because every time I look in Mike, I'm like,84300:48:10.000 --> 00:48:11.960
I've seen him as something, but he had a mustache84400:48:11.960 --> 00:48:13.840
in it and I couldn't remember what it was. And84500:48:13.880 --> 00:48:16.239
then it wasn't until the third viewing that I finally84600:48:16.239 --> 00:48:18.719
caught it. And then I was like, oh, that's him,84700:48:18.760 --> 00:48:21.039
and I looked at up and I'm like, it's not him,84800:48:21.199 --> 00:48:21.800
What the fuck?84900:48:22.559 --> 00:48:26.079
Love that? Absolutely love that I was watching this Bill Bannon.85000:48:26.079 --> 00:48:29.159
As I said earlier, this movie was. I was like,85100:48:29.239 --> 00:48:33.679
this is freaking depressing, and it's so depressing that later85200:48:33.760 --> 00:48:36.239
in I guess this is towards the third act of85300:48:36.239 --> 00:48:40.880
the film, when you have Viking and Paco taunting both85400:48:41.000 --> 00:48:45.119
Mick and Horowitz while they're watching the television. I was like,85500:48:45.239 --> 00:48:47.519
oh my god, even this black and white movie they're85600:48:47.559 --> 00:48:51.639
watching is depressing. What is with this movie? Well, the85700:48:51.639 --> 00:48:55.039
movie that the boys are seen watching is called Kiss85800:48:55.079 --> 00:48:58.960
of Death from nineteen forty seven. The scene shown where85900:48:59.280 --> 00:49:05.559
Tommy Udo played by Richard Widmark shoves missus Rizzo played86000:49:05.559 --> 00:49:09.880
by Mildred Dunnock down a flight of stairs in her wheelchair.86100:49:10.880 --> 00:49:14.400
At that time, the scene was considered a very shocking.86200:49:15.480 --> 00:49:21.760
I thought the same. I was like, yeah, it's awful.86300:49:22.239 --> 00:49:25.480
Yeah, all right, Jason. So the last movie, which is86400:49:25.480 --> 00:49:28.639
Buck ru Bonzi, Yeah, and I talked about how there86500:49:28.679 --> 00:49:31.000
was a cameo by Jamie Lee Curtis which I got86600:49:31.000 --> 00:49:32.599
to see in the version I did. You did not86700:49:33.440 --> 00:49:35.639
Here we go again. I guess the next movie we86800:49:35.679 --> 00:49:38.760
need to do is Blue Steel because Jamie Lee Curtis,86900:49:39.639 --> 00:49:43.119
who was directed by Rick Rodenthal in Halloween two, can87000:49:43.159 --> 00:49:45.280
be seen as a street walker in the beginning of87100:49:45.320 --> 00:49:48.480
the movie passing by Paco's friends. So the scene when87200:49:48.480 --> 00:49:50.320
Paco's looking out the window and has two friends come87300:49:50.320 --> 00:49:53.679
across the street and there's a lady of the night there.87400:49:54.199 --> 00:49:55.840
That's Jamie Lee Curtis.87500:49:56.119 --> 00:49:59.440
What is with her cameos?87600:49:59.480 --> 00:50:04.400
It's crazy, I really was in the early eighties.87700:50:04.360 --> 00:50:07.880
It makes sense. I mean, she's amazing, she's yeah, she's gorgeous,87800:50:07.920 --> 00:50:10.880
she's talented, she's a wonderful actress, all these things. But87900:50:10.960 --> 00:50:14.199
she clearly made friends and she was willing to do88000:50:14.480 --> 00:50:21.480
these cameos, which is really really freaking cool. Anything else, No, Well, this,88100:50:21.599 --> 00:50:25.639
as mentioned, was the debut feature film of actress Clancy Brown,88200:50:26.159 --> 00:50:33.440
Alan Ruck and Ali. Sheety not to mention Jason Gedrick,88300:50:34.000 --> 00:50:37.760
who's uncredited. I didn't go back to find him, but88400:50:37.880 --> 00:50:41.639
I just love that he's because that was again like88500:50:41.719 --> 00:50:44.280
kind of his thing a little bit, because we talked88600:50:44.280 --> 00:50:48.039
about risky business right where he has the one exactly.88700:50:48.719 --> 00:50:51.599
I was like, oh my god, freaking Jason Gedrick, awesome,88800:50:52.039 --> 00:50:55.280
super handsome guy, obviously iron Eagle and all that. I mean,88900:50:55.320 --> 00:50:58.880
he has his movies in the eighties, but he was89000:50:58.920 --> 00:51:03.840
doing the cameos, the or the uncredited roles here early on.89100:51:04.280 --> 00:51:06.840
I think the first time you see him is this89200:51:07.559 --> 00:51:10.519
bidding and you see him put his head in the89300:51:10.559 --> 00:51:14.519
frame and pops it out real quick, and there is89400:51:14.599 --> 00:51:17.360
and there's two other times where you've seen him in89500:51:17.360 --> 00:51:20.079
the film and I recognize Godgaway. I was like, oh89600:51:20.079 --> 00:51:23.519
my god, he just the silent cameos this guy. Yeah,89700:51:23.920 --> 00:51:25.519
all right, we got to get around to Iron Eagle89800:51:25.559 --> 00:51:29.559
at some point, definitely. Okay, so my last one. So,89900:51:29.599 --> 00:51:32.679
when Horowitz goes berserk in the warden's office, the warden90000:51:32.719 --> 00:51:36.440
calls on his intercom Churchill, Churchill, get in here. Two90100:51:36.440 --> 00:51:41.159
prison officials enter shortly thereafter subdue Horowitz. The one who90200:51:41.199 --> 00:51:44.079
Horowitz hits with the golf club and then slams his90300:51:44.239 --> 00:51:48.760
elbow is played by Ted Churchhill, the steady camp operator90400:51:48.840 --> 00:51:51.159
on the movie. And when I read this, I'm like, oh,90500:51:51.159 --> 00:51:54.760
this has got to be bs. This is just too coincidental.90600:51:55.440 --> 00:51:59.239
So I looked up Ted Churchill and yes, he is90700:51:59.280 --> 00:52:02.599
a steady camp operator and that is him. And I90800:52:02.599 --> 00:52:06.239
found a YouTube video that he shot while working on90900:52:06.360 --> 00:52:08.599
Man with a one Red Shoe, and it's called Day91000:52:08.639 --> 00:52:11.480
in the Life of a steady cam Operator and it's91100:52:11.480 --> 00:52:13.760
pretty funny. He's going around to the cast and crew91200:52:13.800 --> 00:52:16.239
talking about like how important it is to be a91300:52:16.280 --> 00:52:18.639
steady cam operator and what they bring to the film,91400:52:18.719 --> 00:52:21.480
and everyone just puts them down through while we only91500:52:21.559 --> 00:52:23.199
hired you because we're just too lazy to do a91600:52:23.280 --> 00:52:27.639
Dolly track today. Okay. So, or there's a scene I91700:52:27.639 --> 00:52:29.920
think there's like a football scene. There's all these fans91800:52:30.039 --> 00:52:33.199
in the stands extras, and he's talking about like, yeah,91900:52:33.360 --> 00:52:35.119
you know, it's amazing that all these people came to92000:52:35.119 --> 00:52:37.840
see me work the steady cam. It's actually pretty funny.92100:52:37.880 --> 00:52:40.400
It's like a twenty minute video just talking about what92200:52:40.440 --> 00:52:42.599
it's like to be a steadycam operator. But you have92300:52:42.719 --> 00:52:46.199
Ted Chet herself, steadycam operator, cameo in this movie, and92400:52:46.280 --> 00:52:48.599
it's not a credit. I looked up his credits and92500:52:48.679 --> 00:52:50.760
it doesn't have and it shows that he's been an92600:52:50.800 --> 00:52:53.920
actor in to other movies, but it's not credited for this.92700:52:54.760 --> 00:52:58.239
Love It, Love It. Yeah, these behind the scenes guys,92800:52:58.239 --> 00:53:00.440
these are the guys that work hard for the money92900:53:00.440 --> 00:53:03.920
and they make it, make the magic steady cam operators,93000:53:03.960 --> 00:53:06.119
you know. I mean, God, we've been lucky enough to93100:53:06.159 --> 00:53:08.360
work with some of our own short films that we've93200:53:08.360 --> 00:53:10.719
worked on. But I remember back in the day at93300:53:10.760 --> 00:53:13.760
the University of Miami where it was the Nash cam.93400:53:13.800 --> 00:53:15.800
Greg Nash, I just want to give him a shout out.93500:53:16.159 --> 00:53:17.760
I don't know if you were aware of this. When93600:53:17.760 --> 00:53:22.480
we shot Vitamin C at the Orange Bowl and I93700:53:22.519 --> 00:53:26.719
was playing the character of hard Ass and Nash developed93800:53:26.719 --> 00:53:30.000
his own steady cam system, which was basically a weighted93900:53:30.039 --> 00:53:34.840
system with literally a rock on like a plank, a94000:53:34.880 --> 00:53:38.400
wood plank to balance out the camera on the other side,94100:53:38.440 --> 00:53:41.920
so it would so he could move along the stands94200:53:41.960 --> 00:53:44.039
because it's in the stadium and he's got to do94300:53:44.079 --> 00:53:48.559
a tracking shot, but he's it's handheld, and it was94400:53:48.639 --> 00:53:52.079
just the coolest thing ever. I remember that. Wow, Yeah,94500:53:52.800 --> 00:53:55.519
the Nash cam. So yeah, credit to any all those94600:53:55.519 --> 00:53:58.840
guys behind the scenes, but steadycam operator Churchill. That's awesome.94700:53:59.320 --> 00:54:02.480
So moving on to box office, Bad Boys hit theaters94800:54:02.519 --> 00:54:05.719
on March twenty fifth and nineteen eighty three, debuting on94900:54:05.840 --> 00:54:09.000
four hundred and sixty eight screens across the US. Produced95000:54:09.000 --> 00:54:12.280
on an estimated five million dollar budget, the film earned95100:54:12.599 --> 00:54:15.519
just over nine point two million dollars at the box95200:54:15.559 --> 00:54:18.400
office during its theatrical run. The movie opened in the95300:54:18.480 --> 00:54:20.880
number eight spot at the box office in a crowded95400:54:20.880 --> 00:54:25.800
weekend that also introduced five other new releases, Spring Break,95500:54:26.280 --> 00:54:31.039
The Outsiders, The Black Stallion Returns, Max Dugan Returns, and95600:54:31.199 --> 00:54:34.400
Eddie Macon's Run. Bad Boys remained in the top ten95700:54:34.760 --> 00:54:38.440
for two additional weeks and ultimately finished as the seventy95800:54:38.480 --> 00:54:42.480
fifth highest grossing film of the year in the United States.95900:54:43.199 --> 00:54:46.039
That takes us two reviews. When growing up in the eighties,96000:54:46.079 --> 00:54:49.079
we would watch Steak Previews with Gene Siskel and Roger96100:54:49.119 --> 00:54:53.119
Ebert to hear their reviews and watch clips of upcoming movies. Unfortunately,96200:54:53.199 --> 00:54:56.039
they did not cover this movie on their show, but96300:54:56.159 --> 00:54:59.119
Roger did give it three out of four stars. Roger96400:54:59.320 --> 00:55:03.159
praised the movie movie for its gritty realism, authentic depiction96500:55:03.280 --> 00:55:06.960
of street gangs and juvenile prison life, and the standout96600:55:07.000 --> 00:55:11.519
performances from Sean Penn in Eastside Morales. He felt the96700:55:11.559 --> 00:55:14.800
film's first half was powerful and believable, but thought it96800:55:14.880 --> 00:55:17.400
lost some of its impact by slipping into a more96900:55:17.519 --> 00:55:22.760
predictable prison movie ending. Even so, Eber considered it a97000:55:22.760 --> 00:55:27.039
strong effort and an early showcase for several talented filmmakers97100:55:27.079 --> 00:55:30.800
and actors. Rotten Tomatoes because it a Tomatometer score of97200:55:30.840 --> 00:55:34.079
eighty nine percent with a Popcorn Meter score of eighty97300:55:34.079 --> 00:55:37.679
one percent. It also has an IMDb rating of seven97400:55:37.719 --> 00:55:42.079
point two. So this takes us to additional thoughts and questions.97500:55:42.639 --> 00:55:45.199
What are some additional thoughts and questions I had about97600:55:45.760 --> 00:55:48.840
Bad Boys? So here's the two that stuck with me97700:55:48.880 --> 00:55:50.960
for this film. The first one, So we have a97800:55:51.000 --> 00:55:55.239
scene when Mick decides that he's going to break out97900:55:55.239 --> 00:55:58.239
of prison and Barry's going to help him, and Barry98000:55:58.280 --> 00:56:04.440
finds this corrosive material that he uses to paint the fence,98100:56:04.599 --> 00:56:06.480
and the cross of material is going to eat away98200:56:06.480 --> 00:56:08.760
the fence. The way he does this is they do98300:56:08.920 --> 00:56:11.960
runs around the yard and he stops and fakes that98400:56:12.000 --> 00:56:14.280
he has a stomach cramp, pulls a brush out of98500:56:14.320 --> 00:56:18.320
his pants, and then uses it to paint the fence. Well,98600:56:18.599 --> 00:56:21.280
he's got to put that brush somewhere and he kind98700:56:21.280 --> 00:56:24.280
of stuck in his pants. But you can't do that98800:56:24.400 --> 00:56:27.639
because he had the corrosive material now on it. So98900:56:27.920 --> 00:56:30.800
where did he hide his brush to bring it back99000:56:30.840 --> 00:56:34.039
to the prison. I mean, if that thing could eat99100:56:34.119 --> 00:56:36.440
through metal, what's it going to do if it's on99200:56:36.760 --> 00:56:40.800
your flesh. So I don't want to know, but you99300:56:40.920 --> 00:56:44.000
definitely had that question throughout the rest of the movie.99400:56:44.519 --> 00:56:48.480
And my second question is, so at the very end99500:56:48.559 --> 00:56:52.000
of the movie, Mick and Paco have a fight, and99600:56:52.039 --> 00:56:54.639
it's building up to this fight. Once Paco gets into99700:56:54.719 --> 00:56:57.480
jail and we get to the end, Mick has the99800:56:57.519 --> 00:57:02.079
upper hand. He could kill at this point, and he doesn't,99900:57:02.719 --> 00:57:06.400
and he drops a knife, walks off, starts crying, and100000:57:06.519 --> 00:57:11.079
heads back into his cell. So, as an audience member,100100:57:11.679 --> 00:57:15.239
here's my question. If Mick kills Paco in that moment,100200:57:15.599 --> 00:57:19.840
does the movie change for you? Because he is fighting100300:57:19.880 --> 00:57:23.079
in self defense and it's killed or be killed. So100400:57:23.159 --> 00:57:27.559
what happens if he stabs Poco, drops a knife, walks off, crying,100500:57:27.880 --> 00:57:30.199
and walks into his cell, meaning I'm gonna be stuck100600:57:30.199 --> 00:57:32.519
here forever. Does that change the ending of how you100700:57:32.519 --> 00:57:36.199
feel about this movie? Or even what if Paco wins100800:57:36.239 --> 00:57:39.800
the fight and kills Mick. Does that change the ending100900:57:39.960 --> 00:57:42.480
for you? Or does it not change at all? I101000:57:42.639 --> 00:57:47.599
think even if he does kill Paco and walks off101100:57:48.039 --> 00:57:52.039
crying like he does, if he didn't, knowing how where101200:57:52.079 --> 00:57:54.719
his life's gonna go? I think it still serves the101300:57:54.719 --> 00:57:57.960
movie because he was actually trying to do the right thing.101400:57:58.679 --> 00:58:01.320
Circumstances put him in a position that he could not101500:58:01.719 --> 00:58:04.719
feel like he could not get out of, and he's101600:58:04.800 --> 00:58:06.840
just going to be, I hate to quote another movie,101700:58:06.960 --> 00:58:09.119
a bad boy for life. His life is just set101800:58:09.199 --> 00:58:12.960
up that way unfortunately. So I like he does have101900:58:13.000 --> 00:58:16.719
the restraint and doesn't kill Paco. I think if he102000:58:16.800 --> 00:58:19.199
still does it, I still enjoyed the movie as much102100:58:19.239 --> 00:58:22.880
as I did regardless, So think about it. Let me102200:58:22.920 --> 00:58:26.440
know what you think. If the ending slightly changes, does102300:58:26.519 --> 00:58:29.880
it change your perception of the film. So with that102400:58:30.440 --> 00:58:33.159
we will move on to my rating. So on a102500:58:33.199 --> 00:58:37.320
scale of one to five cartons of cigarettes, what do102600:58:37.440 --> 00:58:39.800
I give Bad Boys? And I'm going to give it102700:58:40.559 --> 00:58:45.480
four cartons? This movie was certainly a surprise. First off,102800:58:45.519 --> 00:58:47.639
I just want to thank all the fans that suggested102900:58:47.760 --> 00:58:51.039
that Jason and I do this movie. And I think103000:58:51.079 --> 00:58:53.199
that's one of the great things about doing this podcast103100:58:53.719 --> 00:58:57.519
is not only revisiting movies that we loved, but going103200:58:57.599 --> 00:59:01.159
back and catching movies that we did miss from this decade.103300:59:01.519 --> 00:59:03.199
And I don't know if I ever want to watch103400:59:03.239 --> 00:59:07.320
this movie if it wasn't for the audience, our listeners103500:59:07.760 --> 00:59:12.599
who reached out and asked us multiple times to cover103600:59:12.639 --> 00:59:17.400
this movie. Shout out to Andy Gordon, who I went103700:59:17.440 --> 00:59:19.519
to college with. He was one of the first people103800:59:19.599 --> 00:59:21.000
that said, oh, you got to cover this movie. It103900:59:21.039 --> 00:59:24.079
was one of my favorites. So thank you for doing that.104000:59:24.199 --> 00:59:27.760
Thank you audience. Love the suggestions. We do keep a104100:59:27.800 --> 00:59:31.159
list of everything that you send to us, and we104200:59:31.280 --> 00:59:35.159
do try to put it into our schedule. But for104300:59:35.239 --> 00:59:37.800
the movie itself, what I said from the get go,104400:59:38.599 --> 00:59:41.960
this is a movie about people I do not want104500:59:42.000 --> 00:59:44.599
to hang around people I did not hang around with104600:59:44.639 --> 00:59:47.239
the kid and I was invested in and I think104700:59:47.280 --> 00:59:51.039
I was invested in them because of their strong performances104800:59:51.039 --> 00:59:55.639
in this This is a side of life that I104900:59:55.760 --> 01:00:00.880
was never a part of. Side of life I'm glad105001:00:00.920 --> 01:00:04.800
I was never a part of, and they may be105101:00:04.960 --> 01:00:08.960
interested to see what they went through. Just high marks105201:00:08.960 --> 01:00:13.960
for Sean Penn and Issi Morales and Ali Sheety and105301:00:14.000 --> 01:00:18.840
Clancy Brown. It's really brought me into this world of105401:00:19.360 --> 01:00:23.599
jail and just how dangerous it is on the inside105501:00:23.760 --> 01:00:27.480
it is on the outside, and it really left the105601:00:27.559 --> 01:00:31.039
lasting impression on me. Sometimes you go to movies just105701:00:31.079 --> 01:00:34.760
to be entertained and to enjoy them, and this one105801:00:35.480 --> 01:00:40.079
just really impacted me, and I really enjoyed it. If105901:00:40.079 --> 01:00:42.199
you haven't seen this movie like I had it going106001:00:42.239 --> 01:00:45.320
into this, please check it out and be honest, I106101:00:45.320 --> 01:00:48.599
didn't watch a lot of Sean Penn movies growing up106201:00:48.639 --> 01:00:51.199
in the eighties, but now because of this, and of106301:00:51.199 --> 01:00:53.920
course you know we discussed Fast Times a Ridgebound High,106401:00:54.119 --> 01:00:56.960
I'm really looking forward to covering some more of US106501:00:57.039 --> 01:01:00.719
movies from this decade. So with that, that's a wrap106601:01:00.760 --> 01:01:04.000
on this week's episode. Thanks for spending some time with us.106701:01:04.320 --> 01:01:07.280
We always appreciate you listening. If you had fun hanging106801:01:07.320 --> 01:01:09.639
out in the eighties, make sure to follow the show106901:01:09.679 --> 01:01:12.679
in your favorite streaming platform, leave us a rating and107001:01:12.920 --> 01:01:16.599
maybe even a review. For more episodes, updates, and all107101:01:16.639 --> 01:01:21.440
things retro, head over to All Eightiesmovies podcast dot com.107201:01:21.679 --> 01:01:25.280
We'll be back next time with another unforgettable movie from107301:01:25.320 --> 01:01:29.320
the greatest decade in film history, the nineteen eighties. Until then,107401:01:29.760 --> 01:01:30.679
have an excellent day.107501:01:31.480 --> 01:01:34.280
Thanks for staying up with us. Goodnight world.107601:01:35.719 --> 01:01:58.719
If you want to your juice107701:02:02.239 --> 01:02:05.400
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