Nov. 14, 2025

Jagged Edge (1985)

Jagged Edge (1985)

In this episode of the "All 80's Movies Podcast," hosts Bill Bant and Jason Masek delve into the 1985 courtroom thriller 'Jagged Edge.' They explore the film's themes of manipulation, morality, and the complexities of relationships, particularly through the performances of Glenn Close and Jeff Bridges. The discussion covers the creative forces behind the film, early memories of watching it, initial thoughts, favorite scenes, and critiques, particularly focusing on the courtroom dynamics and character interactions. The hosts highlight the film's suspenseful elements and the impact of its direction and screenplay, ultimately reflecting on its legacy within the 80s film landscape. They discuss the reliability of eyewitness testimony, the rapid development of relationships, and the film's ending. The conversation also touches on behind-the-scenes drama, box office performance, and the significance of character portrayals, particularly focusing on Michael Dorn's role. The hosts share their ratings and final thoughts on the film, emphasizing its strengths and weaknesses.

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Season 51985 MoviesThriller

"There are two sides of this mystery. Murder...And Passion." For this episode, we are discussing the court room thriller, 'Jagged Edge.' The movie stars Glenn Close, Jeff Bridges and Oscar Nominee Robert Loggia. Directed by Richard Marquand.

Jagged Edge - IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0089360/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0_tt_7_nm_1_in_0_q_jagged%2520edge
Jagged Edge - Rotten Tomatoes: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/jagged_edge
Bill's Letterboxd Ratings: https://letterboxd.com/bill_b/list/bills-all-80s-movies-podcast-ratings/
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Hello, and welcome to the All Eighties Movies podcast, the

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podcast where we talk about the block, buksh stuff, blocks,

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everything in between from one of the press decades from

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movies the nineteen eighties. I'm your host Bill Banton Long

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Meela's Journey read his nine eighties movies. Is my co

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host Jason Massek. Hello, Jason, Is he psychopathic?

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No, but he's manipulative and he didn't get where he

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is without being manipulative. Neither did I, neither did you.

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But did he do that bloodbath? I don't know. But

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if you're asking me whether I think he's capable of

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doing that, well I saw nothing that would lead me

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to that conclusion.

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That's right, Listeners, we are discussing with spoilers of plenty,

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the nineteen eighty courtroom thriller Jacket Edge. It was produced

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by Martin Ranshoff and distributed by Columbia Pictures. The movie

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stars Jeff Daniels, Glenn Close, and Peter Coyote. Director by

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Richard Markwan, this movie is rated R with the running

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time of one hour and forty eight minutes. The movie

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received a single OSCAR nomination Best Supporting Actor for Robert Loja.

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So what is this movie about what's on the box.

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If you grew up in the nineteen eighties and what's

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your local video steward to rent this movie, you would

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find this description on the back of the VHS box.

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It is what's in the box?

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Take it away? Jason, A grizzly homicide, A sensational trial,

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a forbidden affair. It's Jagged Edge, a razor sharp suspense

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thriller about crime, punishment, and passion. Jeff Bridges is the

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prime suspect and Glenn Close plays the attorney who falls

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in love with him. When a San Francisco socialite is

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viciously murdered, her publisher husband, Jack Forrester, is accused of

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omitting the crime. Teddy Barnes decides to defend the charming,

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manipulative Jack, only to disregard legal ethics by having an

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affair with him. With the help of private eye Sam Ransom,

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she takes on a ruthless da who's using the case

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as a political stepping stone. However, a startling revelation puts

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Teddy in jeopardy of becoming the next victim of the

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Jagged Edge.

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Jagged Edge, So that was What's in the box.

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Let's move on. To our eighty snapshot.

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As we highlight some of the creative forces from this movie.

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Jason, who do you Got? I Got Our? Director? Richard

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Markwand Richard Marquand was born in Lennishen, Cardiff, Wales of

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the UK. He is a director and producer. His career

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started back in the early sixties, directing TV series and

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TV movies. He won an Emmy for his outstanding work

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on the mini series The Search for the Nile from

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nineteen seventy one, and now right to his eighties snapshot.

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He directed the film I of the Needle in nineteen

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eighty one, which fans of the show may recall that

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I mentioned this because this was the movie my parents

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went to see while my sister and I went to

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see the re release of Empire Strikes Back in an

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adjacent theater, and sure enough the director of Eye of

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the Needle, that being Richard Markwe would go on then

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to direct Star Wars Episode six, Return of the Jedi

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in eighty three, and then he directs a film called

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Until September in eighty four, then This Jagged Edge in

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eighty five, then Hearts of Fire in eighty seven. A

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little trivia about Richard he was the only non American

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to direct a Star Wars film until Gareth Edwards directed

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Rogue One, a Star Wars story, in twenty sixteen. Then, sadly,

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on August thirtieth of nineteen eighty seven, Mark One had

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a stroke at his home in Penhurst. He was taken

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to the hospital, where he unfortunately passed five days later.

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His last film, Hearts of Fire, starring Bob Dylan, was

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released posthumously. A couple of quotes from Richard Marquand, I'm

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very interested in directing actors. Many directors direct cameras. And

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then here's another quote on having George Lucas as his

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second unit director on Star Wars episode six, Return of

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the Jedi. He says, it's rather like trying to direct

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King Lear with Shakespeare in the next room. Richard Marquand gone.

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Too soon, definitely. So I have screenwriter Joe Esterhouse, who

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was born in Hungary but grew up in Cleveland, Ohio.

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He got to start in Hollywood with the nineteen seventy

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eight film Fist starring Sylvester Stallone. A few years later

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he co wrote Flash Dance, which we covered in Season four,

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which turned out to be one of the biggest box

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office hits of the year. He also did an uncredited

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rewrite on Blue Thunder before writing Jagged Edge in nineteen

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eighty five. In late eighties, he kept busy with films

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like Big Shots and Hearts of Fire, both in nineteen

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eighty seven, Betrayed and Checking Out in nineteen eighty eight,

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and Music Box in nineteen eighty nine. Then in nineteen

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ninety a spec script he wrote called Love Hurts sparked

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a bidding war ended up selling for a then record

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three million dollars. That script eventually became Basic Instinct from

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nineteen eighty two, directed by Paul Verhoven. Esterhouse later wrote

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Showgirls in Jade in nineteen ninety five, votes which stirred

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up plenty of controversy. Beyond screenwriting, he also wrote six books,

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including a memoir called Hollywood Animal in two thousand and

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four and The Devil's Guide to Hollywood, which dives into

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the behind the scenes world of the film industry. So

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that is our screenwriter, Joe Esterhouse. Cool, that sticks us

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on to earliest memories, Jason, we're your earliest memories of

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Jacket Edge.

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Yeah, let's start to get into it, so this will

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be quick ah, my famous first words. Cut to an

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hour later. Well, I actually have only vague memories of

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seeing parts of this legal thriller in the later eighties

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on television. Did not see this in the theater, and

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as some listeners also may recall, I mentioned this film

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in a minisode I believe we did. It contained one

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of the scariest scenes for me as a kid, and

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that's at the very beginning of the film when we

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see the setting of this posh beach house in near

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San Francisco, and we go inside the home to see

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a woman asleep in her bedroom, and then we're introduced

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to our killer. Dressed all in black, including a ski mask.

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He enters the room, ties the woman up to her bed,

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brandishes a six inch hunting knife, taunts her with it,

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tears her clothes open, and then lowers the knife to

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her chest and begins to cut and we hear a

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terrible scream. And this is all followed by the introduction

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then of Peter Coyote, who plays Da Thomas Krasny, who

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arrives at the beach house to inspect the scene of

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this vicious crime. He's greeted by detectives and the usual

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people working the scene when he makes up his way

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up the stairs and then first sees the bloody dead

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body of Consuela. The maid goes to the bedroom where

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we see the female murder victim. There's blood everywhere. Her

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breasts have been sliced off, and the word bitch is

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written above her on the wall in her blood, and

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we learn that this is Page Forrester, owner of the

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San Francisco Times, and her husband, Jack Forrester, is the

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chief editor at that newspaper, and he was knocked out

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by the killer supposedly at the scene and now is

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at the hospital and has become the number one suspect

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in his own wife's murder. Seeing that crime occur at

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the beginning of the film, followed by the bloody murder

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scene when Peter Coyote as the DA shows up. It

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shook me, Bill, it shook me, and it stayed with

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me all through the years. It's quite horrific. Interestingly enough,

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just I guess I'm jumping to initial thoughts watching it today.

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It's so funny how it comes off differently and how

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I see it differently. It is not quite as affecting,

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but as a kid, your imagination runs away with you.

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And I just couldn't imagine enduring that as like you

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put yourself in the victim's shoes and it's just an awful,

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awful murder. And then the bloody scene. You know, if

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you're seeing this as a young person for the first time,

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you see blood everywhere, it is just like that scares

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the hell out of you. So, like I said, yeah,

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that just sticks with me. I didn't really remember anything

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else specific about the movie outside of the crime scene

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at the beginning, but then as I watched it, I

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did recall that I must have watched this whole movie,

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because as I was watching it today, I knew who

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the killer was. I'm not going to spoil it yet,

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but I must have watched this whole thing. So I

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remember the beginning, I remember the very end. I just

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didn't remember a lot in between. And maybe that says something.

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I'm not sure we'll get into it. Other than that,

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I can say. I saw, of course, a few of

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Jeff Bridge's films in the eighties. I was a fan,

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specifically of Tron and Starman. I really didn't know much

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about Glenn Close at the time, not until after this

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film came out. Because you know, a fatal Traction coming

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out in eighty seven, one of the best suspense thrillers

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of all time.

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So what say you, Bill band Jason. I think the

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opening scene is still disturbing, especially when you find out

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who the killer is, and we're gonna spoil that at

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some point, So if you have not seen this movie,

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maybe you should watch it first before we get into it,

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because I will definitely spoil it at some point. Yeah,

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we're going I think we have to definitely. For me

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earliest memories, I remember when this movie came out, I

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really wanted to see it. I didn't see in the theater,

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but it was one of those movies that was at

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the video store and it was if I don't find

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something else, I'm going to rent Jagged Edge, And every

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time I walked out of the video store with something else.

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So I talked about this once so my freshman year

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of college, so I rent it twenty five movies in

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five days, so I basically watched all those eighties movies

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I missed and Jagged Edge was one of those twenty five,

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so I finally.

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Got to see it. So I would literally rent five movies.

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I would tell my mom which movies I was renting

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and then she'd be like, Oh, I want to watch

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that one with you, So that's that would be like

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our night watch. And then I'd watched like Black Moon

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Rising or Bukaroo Bondzi during the day when no one

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else wanted to watch it. But yeah, that's when I

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finally got to see Jagged Edge. I still even think

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at that point I didn't know who the killer was

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m so it was still kind of surprise going into it.

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But it definitely took me a while to finally go

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see that movie, and it was what I just always.

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Wanted to see.

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It just never got around to it. But I'm glad

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that I finally did.

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That's great. I was going to comment on a couple

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of things you said there, but I think we're just

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going to get into it in our initial thoughts. Yeah,

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let's do it. What do you got, Well, let's start

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at the beginning. Always a good place to start. Opening credits.

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Gorgeous nighttime romantic shot of the San Francisco Bay Golden

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Gate Bridge was a couple wonderful shots. Credit to the

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cinematography in this film of the Golden Gate Bridge in

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the early portion of this movie. And then you know,

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we see the credits role, and it's just the names

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start popping up and you're like, oh, this is what

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really I didn't Okay, awesome, Starting with of course Richard

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Markland because I only know him of Return of the

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Jedi fame, so it was great to see that he

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was at the Helm. I had no idea. And then

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must mention the score right off the bat as the

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music comes in. Got to recognize that John Barry tone

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just really romantic. I'm a fan of his scores. I've

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purchased his soundtracks in the past. I've got a bunch

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of his scores. I love me some John Berry of

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course Double O seven right, James Bond. But then beyond that,

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I just I'm a fan of his. You know, very

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sweeping score in moments, a lot of strings, a lot

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of piano, a lot of romance. Very pretty. Although I

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will say this Bill Bant I found the score to

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be a bit mellow drum at times. He drops some

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heavy synth blasts in some moments, but overall enjoyed it.

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Glad he was doing the score.

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then I was fine.

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the film. On in the film too, is almost a

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callback when I believe it's either from the POV of

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the killer or we're seeing the killer going up the

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staircase and it's boom boom, and we're like, oh my god, yeah,

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we know, we know it did not have a copy

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of this one. Yeah right. So sticking with the opening credits,

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here we see Glenn Close getting top billing. Good for her.

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And you know what, always always good to see Robert

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Loggia's name pop up, just another one of those character

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actors that is always a pleasure to see. We'll talk

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about him a little bit more and we just get

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a great bunch of these Hey it's that actor. I'm

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not gonna spoil our choice for Hey it's that actor here,

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but I will mention other some other character actors in this,

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such as, first of all, the aforementioned Peter Coyote awesome

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as the main antagonist district attorney in this douchebag Cranzy

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I believe is his name, and then we get Lance

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Henrickson is one of the main detectives. Love it. Other

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recognizable faces like Al Russio, James Karen and I wanted

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to give a quick shout out right now to the

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actor Marshall Colt who plays the arrogant and aggressively cocky

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ladies man douchebag Bobby Slade. I think he's a total

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dick in this and I think he's great, and I

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love these character names in this film. We've got Bobby Slade,

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what a great name for a scumbag, and then we

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get Krasny as I mentioned Peter Coyote's character douchebag DA

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Teddy Barnes, Teddy Barnes being the defense attorney played by

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Glenn Close. Teddy Barnes great name. Sam Rant him for

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Robert Losja's character he plays the lead investigator for the defense.

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character names, So I love that. So let's actually talk

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about some of the stars here, Bill Bant, what do

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you think about Glenn Close in this as defense attorney

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Teddy Barnes. She is defending Jeff Bridges, who is playing

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the character of Jack or John if you will, Jack Forrester.

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I liked her a lot in this. I think she

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portrays a real strong resolve when her character is either

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facing some sort of hardship or shit's hitting the fan

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in the courtroom. She has a very still expression, she's

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very stoic, yet there's something in her eyes or it's

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a subtle lip movement that reveals what's going on underneath,

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and she plays that throughout the film. And I appreciated

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her subtlety in this, very different from obviously here when

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she play he's in Fatal Attraction. What'd you think of

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her performance in this?

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my favorite scenes are because of her reactions to things

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that happen in this movie. She does so much face acting.

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going on with her in those moments.

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I enjoyed her a lot in this.

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She's one of those actresses just like a Meryl Streep.

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She commands the screen when she's on it, you want

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to see what she's going to do next. She can

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be unpredictable in moments, and she's fascinating to look at

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her face. Moving on to Jeff Bridges, of course, he

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portrays Jack Forrester, the defendant, the one being accused of

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killing his wife, and he is the editor of the

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San Francisco Times, which was owned by his wife. You know,

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we talked about him on our Tron pod and I'm

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a huge fan, no surprise there. I think he's a

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great leading man, He's had a great career, and I've

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still and I've probably said this on our Tron podcast,

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but I still think he could have even been bigger.

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I love Tron, I love Starman against all odds, the

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Fabulous Baker Boys, True Grit, Hell or high Water, even

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give me Tucker the man in his Dream. I always

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just mentioned that because Lucas is attached to that. But

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I don't know. I'm just going to say this right

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or ask this to your bill right now. Do you

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think he could have been bigger, should have been bigger,

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and why do you think he wasn't? Or do you

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think he had the career that he was meant to have.

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It's funny that you say that, Jayson, because that was

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actually part of my initial thoughts. When you look at

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this movie and your top two build stars are Glen

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Close and Jeff Bridges. How many Oscar nominations they have

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right between the two of them. But when you look

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back on the eighties and the stars from that decade,

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when do I start mentioning Glen Coos and Jeff Bridges

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a little further down the you're talking Stallone Schwartzenegger, all

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the actors in the brat Pack, right. I was thinking

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of all the actors I would mention before or I

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would get to either one of them, and I was like, Wow,

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that's crazy. And if this movie was maybe made in

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ninety eight, just the star power behind those two names,

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you would think this is a must watch. I need

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to watch these two actors together.

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But in eighty five Glenn Close, the Natural and the

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Big Chill, I think that's the only thing I knew

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were in going into that at that point, and then

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of course Fatal Attraction. But Jeff Bridges, yeah, he did

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Starman Tron. But I don't think of them as eighties actors,

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even though they did so much in the eighties and

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did iconic movies in the eighties.

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It's just weird to me. It's confusing, and it is weird,

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and when you think about it first, I mean, you

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can just make the blanket statement that there was just

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so many great movies in the eighties. That's why we're

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doing this podcast, and that's why we are in the

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creative industries. Because the eighties were awesome. And when you

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talk about those names, like there's Eddie Murphy, there's Mel Gibson,

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there's Bruce Willis. You just name all of these other stars,

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and they're just far down on the list, and they

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got swallowed up somehow because obviously they had great careers

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at this point in nineteen eighty five. Yeah, they're still

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probably coming into their own, but they have very classic

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looks about them. But we watched Jeff Bridges in this,

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and I'm watching I thought about this too when later

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on I'd seen against all odds, I'm like, this dude

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is one hundred percent a stud. He's tall, he's got

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to be like six to two. He's beautiful. Jeff Bridges

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is a beautiful man, and he's one of the factors.

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Oh yeah, And I'm like, what this guy? Why is

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He's got such an interesting look too. I mean, he's

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not just a pretty face. I think in this he

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plays that sort of cold behind the eyes very well

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in moments, or a sort of distant, unaffected quality that

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you can catch in moments, and then in other moments

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he flips and turns on that warm charm and you're like, man,

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why is this guy just not. He is, but he

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isn't right one of those those names that comes to

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the top of your mind when you think of eighties movies.

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Like you said, so, I thought he was great in

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this and you mentioned them together, Jeff bridgesn't Glenn Close.

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I love them together in this film. We might get

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into the casting later on, but I think this was

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perfectly cast. I think they have wonderful chemistry in this

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and they work well together, so kudos to them. Now

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we move on to the one and only, the indelible

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Robert Loja as Teddy's lead investigator Sam Ransom definitely the

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standout for me in this film, although we were just

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ludding the performances of Glenn Close and Jeff Bridges. Lojia,

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come on, gruff old, curmudgeon ly, raspy love this guy

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always always exudes a certain amount of underlying warmth. You

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want him on your side. He always feels like this.

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This uh protect a wise old man, perfect as the

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veteran and brilliant investigator. And I also thought, looking back

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at this, now, do we actually see him really do

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any investigating in this or does he just show up

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with the evidence at Rhadam He just shows up with

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that all the time. Yeah, yeah, we don't really see

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him doing any digging. But he's a character, and I

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think he's very good in this. He provides a little

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levity in moments. I liked his character the way it

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was written a lot, in the way that he's very

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grounding and also seems to have a sixth sense about

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this particular case and he's the only one that kind

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of gets it right from the beginning. I'll just say that,

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what do you have to say about Robert Losher? How

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do you feel about him?

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It's funny because you know, you always do your prep

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work before, or at least I do before I watch

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the movie. And then when I saw Oscar nominations, like, oh,

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it's notminidro an Oscar went for it right, And then

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I saw Robert Losa and I'm like, really, I don't

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even remember being in the movie. But then when I

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was watching it, I go, oh, yeah, I definitely see

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why he got nominated. How did I forget this performance?

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So yeah, it's good because he is in a way

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playing against type. He's always known for gangster roles that

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kind of stuff, So the fact he's the gruff man

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with a heart of gold. The tough exterior, but he's

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soft on the inside. It was probably a surprise to

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a lot of people to see him like that, and

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I'm glad he got his just rewards.

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Yeah you know, he's nominated for Best Supporting Actor. I

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love to see that because he is great in this.

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I think he works really well with Glenn Close, kind

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of plays a father figure. They have great chemistry together.

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Every time he pops up in the movie, You're like, hell, yeah,

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he lights up the screen. He's got a presence. I

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love the way he looks. He's a total throwback. He

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is the throwback to the old school noir films here

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wearing that fedora sort of that rain coat. He's old school.

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He's an older guy. Yeah, you know, he's the old school.

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He brings the old school to this, which is pretty cool.

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I was jokingly saying to myself because I'm usually good

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at movie trivia, and the movie trivia was Robert Lows

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has been nominated for the Best Supporting Actor. Name the movie.

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I probably would have named twenty movies before I had

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gotten to Jack at Edge. I would have went big

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and I'm like, no, I know that's not right, but

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that's what.

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I would think.

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Yeah, yeah, but it is deserved for this movie.

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Absolutely. Let's just get into some overall thoughts here. Then, finally, Bill,

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I'm a sucker for a courtroom drama, for a legal thriller.

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Always love him, especially when either side, either to the

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prosecution or the defence, drops a bomb with the last

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minute evidence, or presents a last minute witness, or the

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lead investigator comes running into the courtroom some last minute evidence,

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the twists, the stakes, who's telling the truth, who's lying

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under oath. I love seeing lead attorneys for both sides

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presenting opening statements and closing arguments. They're actors. So much

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of it is performance and the presentation, and I myself

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to that being an actor myself, I even when I

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was young, had a moment where I thought maybe I

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would want to be a lawyer because of that very

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fact you get to perform, and it's combined with then

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my fascination with criminal law. It's cool and I like

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seeing it in movies. It can be very suspenseful, the

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tension in the air when the verdict is being read.

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It's all of it. So to start with the good stuff.

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My thoughts on this overall, I enjoyed that courtroom drama

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aspect of it. I like Peter Coyote going against Glenn Close.

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I like their animosity for each other. I like their

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history with one another. The obstacles in this and the

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relationships worked for me. The way it was set up,

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it's complicated, the suspense in the courtroom is there. Is

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it the best courtroom drama I've ever seen? No, but

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it's smart enough. I thought it was still smartly constructed,

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and if you haven't seen it before, it does keep

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you guessing. I think, like you said at the top, Bill,

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where you're like, ah, I'm not actually sure who did it?

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Like who is the killer? I don't remember? And even

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though I remembered who the killer was, surprisingly enough, it

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still was pretty good. I was like, huh, okay, I

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can see how you would be wavering the entire time.

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And like I said, chemistry between these actors all good,

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great cast. So there's some decent character development, and they

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lay that groundwork of the obstacles and their complicated relationships

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00:24:26.079 --> 00:24:28.039
to one another and passes. But my main issue with

449
00:24:28.079 --> 00:24:31.000
this Bill Bant is not the character development, but the

450
00:24:31.079 --> 00:24:35.640
relationship development. I buy the chemistry. They got it it's

451
00:24:35.720 --> 00:24:39.680
the initial development of the relationship, the main one, of course,

452
00:24:39.720 --> 00:24:44.799
being between Teddy and Jack defense attorney and the accused.

453
00:24:45.759 --> 00:24:48.279
I'll get it into it more in my complaints, but

454
00:24:48.400 --> 00:24:52.160
I feel like it needed another level. I feel that

455
00:24:52.559 --> 00:24:56.160
this film was a little bit by the numbers and

456
00:24:56.200 --> 00:24:59.720
a little bit superficial. Not entirely superficial. It just kind

457
00:24:59.759 --> 00:25:02.920
of it went along. The movie had pace, it flowed.

458
00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:05.039
It's a little less than two hours. I didn't feel

459
00:25:05.119 --> 00:25:07.799
like I was bored at any point. It's just that

460
00:25:08.400 --> 00:25:11.000
I like levels. I've said this million times. I like levels.

461
00:25:11.000 --> 00:25:12.799
It could have gone deep. I thought it could have

462
00:25:12.839 --> 00:25:18.240
been even sexier, more steamy between Close in Bridges and

463
00:25:18.839 --> 00:25:21.799
for lack of a better word, don't kill me for this,

464
00:25:21.880 --> 00:25:24.319
but I thought it needed just a little more edge,

465
00:25:24.960 --> 00:25:27.359
just a little more edge, a little more sexual tension.

466
00:25:27.680 --> 00:25:31.559
I thought the relationship between Bridges and Close should have

467
00:25:31.599 --> 00:25:34.720
been building and building like a boiling pot. I wanted

468
00:25:34.759 --> 00:25:38.279
even to see Close really feel that betrayal even more

469
00:25:38.400 --> 00:25:39.799
than she did, and she feels it a lot. But

470
00:25:39.839 --> 00:25:42.799
I wanted more, and I wanted to see Jeff Bridges

471
00:25:42.839 --> 00:25:45.079
do as thing as an actor and really really be

472
00:25:45.559 --> 00:25:51.039
even more manipulating. See that ice cold calm manipulation. In moments,

473
00:25:51.119 --> 00:25:53.640
I'll reference the scene that happens outside on the rooftop

474
00:25:53.680 --> 00:25:56.839
parking area near the courthouse or on the courthouse after

475
00:25:56.880 --> 00:25:59.079
they've just gotten their asses handed them in the court

476
00:25:59.279 --> 00:26:03.079
and Teddy feels betrayed, feels she has been lied to

477
00:26:03.279 --> 00:26:06.799
by Forrester Jeff Bridges's character, and she says she's done,

478
00:26:07.480 --> 00:26:10.240
and Forster tries to come up with these excuses as

479
00:26:10.279 --> 00:26:13.160
to why he lied to her, and he's struggling. But

480
00:26:13.240 --> 00:26:16.559
I wanted to see him some other levels with him too.

481
00:26:16.599 --> 00:26:18.559
I don't know if that's a directing thing and acting thing,

482
00:26:18.599 --> 00:26:23.960
but again levels. For me, the movie makes Teddy Barnes

483
00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:27.119
look like a very capable lawyer but an absolute idiot

484
00:26:27.160 --> 00:26:29.799
when it comes to relationships. Things just happen too quickly

485
00:26:29.839 --> 00:26:33.160
between them for me to buy into it wholeheartedly. I'll

486
00:26:33.160 --> 00:26:35.160
talk about it more later. I feel like the movie

487
00:26:35.200 --> 00:26:38.759
is capably executed by everyone, from director to actors, cinematography

488
00:26:38.799 --> 00:26:42.039
to editing. It's just a little better than okay for me.

489
00:26:42.200 --> 00:26:45.720
I liked it even though it's a neo noir crime thriller.

490
00:26:46.440 --> 00:26:49.480
I wanted a little more thriller and a little more drama.

491
00:26:49.599 --> 00:26:53.279
It didn't go quite deep enough for me personally, so

492
00:26:53.519 --> 00:26:56.440
I enjoyed it. I thought it was very good, not great.

493
00:26:56.920 --> 00:27:00.000
I have one final question for you. Do you think

494
00:27:00.000 --> 00:27:03.119
I think the movie was well? Maybe I answered this.

495
00:27:03.160 --> 00:27:05.640
Did you at any point ever think it was predictable?

496
00:27:07.319 --> 00:27:10.119
It's so hard because you rewatching this time. I knew

497
00:27:10.200 --> 00:27:11.480
who the killer was.

498
00:27:12.759 --> 00:27:16.759
Yeah, yeah, it's yeah, But being young enough when I

499
00:27:16.839 --> 00:27:20.759
watched it the first time, I probably needed to wait

500
00:27:20.759 --> 00:27:22.920
till the end to figure out who did it.

501
00:27:23.680 --> 00:27:26.960
I'm gonna go no, Okay, I don't think it was

502
00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:28.440
really predictable. Jase.

503
00:27:28.480 --> 00:27:30.440
I'm gonna have to disagree with you with the levels

504
00:27:30.480 --> 00:27:37.640
between Close and Bridges, because I think once you find

505
00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:39.759
out the ending, I'm sorry, I'm gonna spoil it.

506
00:27:40.480 --> 00:27:43.839
Yeah, yeah, it's about to so Jeff Bridges, Jack Farster.

507
00:27:43.880 --> 00:27:45.119
We do find out the end of the movie that

508
00:27:45.200 --> 00:27:47.960
he does kill his wife, right, he was the killer.

509
00:27:48.599 --> 00:27:52.920
But what I liked then is would you go back

510
00:27:53.000 --> 00:27:56.400
and think of everything he had to do to prove

511
00:27:56.480 --> 00:28:01.440
his innocence. It's like, Wow, he was twenty steps ahead,

512
00:28:01.799 --> 00:28:04.640
and I think one of those steps was he knew

513
00:28:04.680 --> 00:28:08.279
within the law firm that worked for him that they

514
00:28:08.480 --> 00:28:12.559
had Teddy Barnes as a former prosecutor who didn't want

515
00:28:12.559 --> 00:28:17.079
to prosecute anymore. M Hm, I need her. I'm going

516
00:28:17.160 --> 00:28:20.680
to manipulate her into liking me because that's what I'm

517
00:28:20.680 --> 00:28:23.640
good at. And he does it. He does exactly what

518
00:28:23.720 --> 00:28:26.920
he needs to do to get him off for this murder.

519
00:28:27.440 --> 00:28:30.200
So I think he's got to move fast. He's got

520
00:28:30.200 --> 00:28:33.400
to make sure that she's on his side, and he

521
00:28:33.519 --> 00:28:37.039
knows her past. He knows she doesn't like prosecuting anymore.

522
00:28:37.079 --> 00:28:39.640
She doesn't like taking on these times of cases. So

523
00:28:39.799 --> 00:28:42.119
what does he need to do to get her to

524
00:28:42.160 --> 00:28:45.160
do this. He's got to give himself to her, and

525
00:28:45.200 --> 00:28:48.200
that's what he does, and that's why she buys in

526
00:28:48.599 --> 00:28:50.960
and that's why she gets him off. Wow, he had

527
00:28:50.960 --> 00:28:54.359
to do his homework, no question, once he decided he

528
00:28:54.400 --> 00:28:56.440
was going to kill his wife. And that's why I

529
00:28:56.440 --> 00:28:59.440
think that opening scene is way more disturbing because he

530
00:28:59.559 --> 00:29:02.559
just doesn't I would stab her. He tortures her right,

531
00:29:02.920 --> 00:29:04.799
and the fact that he goes to do it to

532
00:29:04.880 --> 00:29:08.720
someone else to establish that this might possibly be a

533
00:29:08.880 --> 00:29:13.200
serial killer. And then he basically tells his law firm. No,

534
00:29:13.920 --> 00:29:17.079
you need to find someone within your law firm. And

535
00:29:17.119 --> 00:29:19.039
they're just like, oh, well, we happen to have a

536
00:29:19.160 --> 00:29:23.519
former attorney that might be able to do this, and

537
00:29:24.359 --> 00:29:27.240
they talk her into doing it, and then he manipulates

538
00:29:27.240 --> 00:29:29.480
her and boom, he gets off.

539
00:29:30.079 --> 00:29:33.880
I agree with all of that absolutely, one thousand percent.

540
00:29:33.960 --> 00:29:37.359
I think it's smartly written in that way. Like I said, constructed,

541
00:29:37.640 --> 00:29:39.440
there's some things that, like you said, you look back

542
00:29:39.480 --> 00:29:41.720
and you're like, wow, he really had to put in

543
00:29:41.759 --> 00:29:44.559
the time and effort to make this work. Yeah, that

544
00:29:45.079 --> 00:29:50.759
is calculating. He's so calculating. I just thought for the

545
00:29:50.839 --> 00:29:55.480
relationship between her and him, that it happened way too quickly.

546
00:29:55.519 --> 00:29:57.680
I thought she just kind of felt but he needed

547
00:29:57.720 --> 00:30:01.400
it too. But he might know too. But I just

548
00:30:01.440 --> 00:30:05.200
think she's supposed to be smarter than that, you know.

549
00:30:05.319 --> 00:30:07.640
And I would have liked to see maybe that's all

550
00:30:07.680 --> 00:30:10.960
I needed. Maybe there just isn't enough time for all

551
00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:13.720
these levels that I'm talking about, And that's a fact.

552
00:30:13.759 --> 00:30:16.599
You got a couple hours to do this, And I

553
00:30:16.680 --> 00:30:18.480
just would have liked to see a little bit more

554
00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:21.720
of a struggle with her in her own morality and

555
00:30:21.759 --> 00:30:25.759
conscious or conscience in falling for him. You know what

556
00:30:25.839 --> 00:30:30.119
I mean, it just has like super charming. Oh yeah,

557
00:30:30.200 --> 00:30:33.160
that's true. You can't do that. That he's a he's

558
00:30:33.160 --> 00:30:35.359
a step but like she's like, it's only a bitter.

559
00:30:35.680 --> 00:30:37.359
I don't know, we'll get I'll talk about it more

560
00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:40.279
in the in the complaints. But and it's as it

561
00:30:40.319 --> 00:30:44.599
also works that she separated. Oh yeah, sure, she's forced. Yeah.

562
00:30:44.680 --> 00:30:47.640
I think the movie is good, but then when you

563
00:30:47.799 --> 00:30:51.759
think about what he had to do, it makes it better.

564
00:30:52.279 --> 00:30:57.200
But then when she finds out and then how the

565
00:30:57.240 --> 00:31:00.000
movie ends, it then knocks it down a pay almost

566
00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:05.359
cancels that out. So the movie just stays good. Okay, good.

567
00:31:05.519 --> 00:31:07.039
I was Yeah, I was wondering where you were going

568
00:31:07.119 --> 00:31:09.839
to end on that. But great thoughts, Great thoughts, Bill

569
00:31:09.920 --> 00:31:11.880
ban Yeah, and just all the people that are in

570
00:31:11.960 --> 00:31:13.519
this movie. And I don't want to mention any the

571
00:31:13.599 --> 00:31:15.759
names because I don't want to accidentally step on Hay

572
00:31:15.759 --> 00:31:18.400
it's that actor. If you don't mention him, I will

573
00:31:18.400 --> 00:31:20.559
bring it up later then, just because I was totally

574
00:31:20.559 --> 00:31:23.319
surprised to see this one particular actor in the movie.

575
00:31:23.880 --> 00:31:27.079
And Peter Coyote was pretty good in this too. I

576
00:31:27.279 --> 00:31:30.960
like the fact that he actually spells out the murder

577
00:31:31.079 --> 00:31:34.160
like what had happened. Unfortunately, just can't prove it, and

578
00:31:34.200 --> 00:31:37.000
that's one of the reasons why Bridges comes off. But

579
00:31:37.599 --> 00:31:39.240
for you know, the nun nuns in the audience to

580
00:31:39.279 --> 00:31:41.359
have no idea what's going on. He tells you it

581
00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:43.720
was like, this is what he's doing. And I kind

582
00:31:43.720 --> 00:31:46.079
of find that funny after the fact. Yeah, it's a

583
00:31:46.079 --> 00:31:50.519
great scene because I think actually Teddy Barnes is quite

584
00:31:50.519 --> 00:31:55.240
manipulative of Cramzy because she knows how he has operated

585
00:31:55.240 --> 00:31:58.680
in the past and has hidden evidence or held back

586
00:31:58.680 --> 00:32:02.440
evidence and discovery, et cetera. And she is goading him

587
00:32:02.480 --> 00:32:04.759
a little bit without actually saying anything because it could

588
00:32:04.759 --> 00:32:08.720
implicate herself because she was also involved anyway. So when

589
00:32:08.759 --> 00:32:12.440
that happens, then at the end, when she's gotten the

590
00:32:13.000 --> 00:32:16.559
upper hand in this courtroom case and it seems as

591
00:32:16.559 --> 00:32:21.240
though she's going to get Forrester off when Cranzy finally

592
00:32:21.480 --> 00:32:23.640
lays out all those things, like he goes from A

593
00:32:23.720 --> 00:32:25.799
to Z and says, don't you see he did this.

594
00:32:25.839 --> 00:32:29.039
He was manipulating this the whole time. He actually went

595
00:32:29.119 --> 00:32:32.000
you know, he was planning this eighteen months ago when

596
00:32:32.039 --> 00:32:35.160
he attacked Julia Jensener is that her name? Uh, and

597
00:32:35.240 --> 00:32:37.640
made it look like this was a serial killer. He

598
00:32:37.720 --> 00:32:40.440
was the one sending you those notes from the typewriter.

599
00:32:40.799 --> 00:32:43.880
But he's doing it so desperately and out of anger

600
00:32:44.000 --> 00:32:47.359
and frustration. It makes him look weak and then takes

601
00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:51.079
away from his argument. It's really smart. Yeah, yeah, you're

602
00:32:51.119 --> 00:32:54.119
just desperate in this moment. Man. What you're saying makes sense,

603
00:32:54.200 --> 00:32:56.759
but you're kind of grasping at straws because you know

604
00:32:57.119 --> 00:32:59.920
this is a losing effort. You've lost. But he spells it.

605
00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:03.279
He's exactly right. He was exactly right. Yeah.

606
00:33:03.319 --> 00:33:05.119
He definitely makes a lot of mistakes in this, which

607
00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:06.319
gets a little frustrating.

608
00:33:06.880 --> 00:33:09.119
Mm hmm. Yeah. So yeah, there's a lot.

609
00:33:09.000 --> 00:33:12.279
Of frustrating movements throughout the movie, but I think I

610
00:33:12.319 --> 00:33:13.359
still enjoyed it.

611
00:33:13.640 --> 00:33:16.279
Yeah, you're right when you think about the fact that

612
00:33:16.640 --> 00:33:19.400
it is Jack Forster, it is Jeff Bridges' character that

613
00:33:19.480 --> 00:33:22.519
killed his wife, he is guilty, and then you look

614
00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:25.920
back upon it on everything he had to do. There

615
00:33:25.960 --> 00:33:28.440
was a couple other smart elements, one being that when

616
00:33:29.119 --> 00:33:32.359
they say in the beginning that they found only the

617
00:33:32.359 --> 00:33:36.079
only fingerprints they found in the house were Paige Forrester's

618
00:33:36.200 --> 00:33:39.960
his wife, his own prince, and the maid's prince. They

619
00:33:40.039 --> 00:33:44.200
found blood. Paige Forester's blood was everywhere, the maid's blood

620
00:33:44.240 --> 00:33:48.200
was everywhere, but they only found the wife's blood on Jack,

621
00:33:48.279 --> 00:33:51.759
on the husband. I thought that was smart. I caught

622
00:33:51.759 --> 00:33:54.559
it on a rewatch where I was like, oh wow

623
00:33:54.759 --> 00:33:58.240
when he because we know he killed the maid too, right,

624
00:33:58.960 --> 00:34:03.079
but didn't get at her blood on him, only his

625
00:34:03.119 --> 00:34:07.440
wife's blood. Because that's logical. If he were not the killer,

626
00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:10.800
he wouldn't be all over the maid. He'd be going

627
00:34:10.840 --> 00:34:14.719
directly to his wife, trying to save her or being

628
00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:17.039
grieving over her, and her blood would get on him

629
00:34:17.079 --> 00:34:18.800
only her blood. Does that make sense?

630
00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:21.639
Yeah, that poor maid, she gets lost in this.

631
00:34:21.719 --> 00:34:23.840
I have that in my complaints that he may gets

632
00:34:23.880 --> 00:34:26.559
lost in them, and I have questions about how. Yeah, okay, yeah,

633
00:34:26.599 --> 00:34:27.480
we're going to get into it.

634
00:34:27.760 --> 00:34:30.440
Let's move on to favorite scenes or moments. What are

635
00:34:30.440 --> 00:34:33.039
some of her favorite scenes of moments from Jagged Edge?

636
00:34:33.559 --> 00:34:39.679
All right, so let's talk about Loggia's introduction. I'm going

637
00:34:39.719 --> 00:34:41.320
to take a step back here, and I got to

638
00:34:41.320 --> 00:34:45.519
preface this scene actually, because what's revealed before this is

639
00:34:45.599 --> 00:34:51.599
that when Teddy Barnes worked for the DA Cranzy. She

640
00:34:51.800 --> 00:34:55.239
was the lead prosecutor on the case of Henry Stiles.

641
00:34:56.000 --> 00:34:58.280
Was he being accused of murder? Is that what it was?

642
00:34:58.519 --> 00:35:00.000
I don't think we ever find out what it is.

643
00:35:00.599 --> 00:35:04.159
Yeah, but she won the case. He was convicted, this

644
00:35:04.280 --> 00:35:08.199
Henry Stiles fellow, and ended up serving a long sentence

645
00:35:08.199 --> 00:35:10.920
in jail. However, the news has come out that Styles

646
00:35:11.000 --> 00:35:14.760
committed suicide in prison, and this affects Teddy in a

647
00:35:14.800 --> 00:35:17.519
certain way, and we can tell something shady must have

648
00:35:17.599 --> 00:35:21.840
happened in that case leading up to or after Henry

649
00:35:21.840 --> 00:35:26.719
Styles's conviction when she was working with DA Cransey. So

650
00:35:27.440 --> 00:35:31.480
Teddy ends up going to see her friend and investigator

651
00:35:31.559 --> 00:35:35.159
Sam Ransom played by Robert Loja. She approaches this rundown

652
00:35:35.199 --> 00:35:38.880
house he clearly doesn't want any visitors, and he comes

653
00:35:38.880 --> 00:35:41.039
out and he just sees her. You can tell he

654
00:35:41.079 --> 00:35:43.719
hasn't seen her for some time, but it's a warm welcome.

655
00:35:44.079 --> 00:35:47.280
He's got that raspy voice. He looks like he's half

656
00:35:47.320 --> 00:35:48.920
in the back. I don't know. He looks pretty tired,

657
00:35:49.159 --> 00:35:51.719
but he says this line, he goes, ah, look at you,

658
00:35:51.920 --> 00:35:54.239
you look like a real broad and I'm like, oh

659
00:35:54.239 --> 00:35:56.519
my god, that's such an old guy expression from the

660
00:35:56.559 --> 00:36:00.320
eighties when you call women broads. You just don't hear

661
00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:04.559
that anymore, you that. So, yeah, he's old, he's beat up.

662
00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:08.360
They go inside and he grabs her Budweiser. Sure you

663
00:36:08.360 --> 00:36:11.199
know you're gonna have a couple of beers, and she's like, yeah,

664
00:36:11.199 --> 00:36:13.559
you were the best investigator the DA's office ever had.

665
00:36:13.559 --> 00:36:16.199
And we learned Now, okay, there's the connection. Not only

666
00:36:16.239 --> 00:36:18.920
are they friends, he's an investigator, she's an attorney, but

667
00:36:18.960 --> 00:36:21.840
they all work together under DA crazy in the past,

668
00:36:21.880 --> 00:36:24.440
about four years ago prior. And the reason for this

669
00:36:24.519 --> 00:36:28.320
scene is that Teddy, after having now met with Jack Forrester,

670
00:36:28.679 --> 00:36:31.880
she was on the fence about taking the case. She's

671
00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:35.119
now seriously taking thinking about taking on this murder case,

672
00:36:35.159 --> 00:36:39.039
and she's looking to get either Sam's advice should she

673
00:36:39.119 --> 00:36:42.679
take the case or is she there to recruit Sam

674
00:36:42.719 --> 00:36:45.960
to be her investigator once again on this case now

675
00:36:46.039 --> 00:36:48.599
that she would be in the role of defense attorney

676
00:36:48.639 --> 00:36:52.559
going up against Cranzy, not working for him, but against him.

677
00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:57.800
So Sam Loggia dubious about this, thinking she'll never get

678
00:36:57.840 --> 00:37:01.480
Forrester off. But this even how further's her resolve. She

679
00:37:01.519 --> 00:37:05.400
repeatedly says she's if he's innocent, If Jack Forrester is innocent,

680
00:37:05.440 --> 00:37:09.000
I'll get him off because she's very confident in her ability.

681
00:37:09.679 --> 00:37:14.199
And Sam thinks that Teddy's doing this somehow to absolve

682
00:37:14.280 --> 00:37:17.519
her own guilt over the Henry Styles case, or somehow

683
00:37:17.559 --> 00:37:20.719
to redeem herself because of what happened with Henry Styles.

684
00:37:21.239 --> 00:37:24.360
She tells Sam they can't forget about Styles. Sam blows

685
00:37:24.440 --> 00:37:27.119
up about it, clearly feeling guilty about it too, but

686
00:37:27.639 --> 00:37:29.679
he blames Cransey for all of what happened in the

687
00:37:29.679 --> 00:37:33.039
past regarding Henry Styles. And there's this great last shot

688
00:37:33.079 --> 00:37:37.239
of Glenn Close's as Teddy Barnes when Sam's blowing up,

689
00:37:37.280 --> 00:37:39.360
and it's great because Robert Losja is awesome in the scene.

690
00:37:39.400 --> 00:37:41.880
He's freaking out. He's just really mad. He's this old guy, like,

691
00:37:42.039 --> 00:37:44.199
it's not our fault. It was Cranzy's fault, the whole

692
00:37:44.199 --> 00:37:47.079
Henry Styles thing. But the entire time we were talking

693
00:37:47.079 --> 00:37:50.559
about this earlier, Glenn Close has this very calm, assured

694
00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:55.840
look upon her face as he's losing it. She's completely calm,

695
00:37:55.880 --> 00:37:59.159
and we know in that moment Oh, she's going to

696
00:37:59.239 --> 00:38:01.679
take the case. She's gonna take the forester case. It's

697
00:38:01.719 --> 00:38:04.960
fun scene. It's a great introduction of the character. I

698
00:38:05.199 --> 00:38:09.280
like their chemistry. You can see immediately what their relationship is.

699
00:38:09.320 --> 00:38:12.320
That's Robert loj and Glen Close. I like his character

700
00:38:12.559 --> 00:38:16.239
a lot. I see this archetype or stereotype a little bit,

701
00:38:16.280 --> 00:38:20.400
but Loja just exudes that combination of gruff and warmth

702
00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:21.920
and I love it. Yeah, I agree.

703
00:38:21.960 --> 00:38:24.320
I had this as one of my favorite scenes also,

704
00:38:24.840 --> 00:38:26.880
and a Strafts off where she's pounded on the door

705
00:38:26.920 --> 00:38:30.320
and you hear him screaming like and he comes down

706
00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:34.440
and sees that it's teddy and his heart opens up

707
00:38:34.480 --> 00:38:37.440
in the hug and they go upstairs. And once they're

708
00:38:37.480 --> 00:38:39.599
in that scene, I'm like, oh, yeah, I see why

709
00:38:39.639 --> 00:38:43.480
I got nominated. And there's a funny moment because it

710
00:38:43.519 --> 00:38:46.199
seems like he's retired from investigating and he's like, I'm

711
00:38:46.239 --> 00:38:47.440
too old for that, and it's like.

712
00:38:47.440 --> 00:38:50.719
It was only four years four years ago. That just

713
00:38:50.800 --> 00:38:51.559
kind of made me laugh.

714
00:38:51.599 --> 00:38:53.480
And then when he opens his fridge and it's just

715
00:38:53.559 --> 00:38:56.199
all full of beer, I was like, oh my god,

716
00:38:56.280 --> 00:38:58.440
that's great. He's just basically just hangs out in this

717
00:38:58.519 --> 00:39:01.920
apartment and drinks beer, probably listens to ballgames or whatnot,

718
00:39:01.920 --> 00:39:06.360
and that's what he's resigned to. Now this bud's for you. Yeah,

719
00:39:06.880 --> 00:39:10.360
But the fact that he shows he still cares for

720
00:39:10.480 --> 00:39:14.079
Teddy and that he's going to be behind Teddy on

721
00:39:14.119 --> 00:39:16.559
this case and he knows that Teddy's going through a lot,

722
00:39:16.880 --> 00:39:20.360
I just really respected it. And it just through a

723
00:39:20.360 --> 00:39:24.400
whole bunch of f bombs, it still came across as

724
00:39:24.960 --> 00:39:27.239
he's a good guy. He's someone you want in your corner.

725
00:39:27.320 --> 00:39:30.119
Without a doubt that you just hit on it right

726
00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:35.440
there at the end because despite his frustration with the past,

727
00:39:35.480 --> 00:39:37.480
and it's nice to see that they have that relationship

728
00:39:37.480 --> 00:39:41.559
and commonality and they have this thing between them that

729
00:39:41.559 --> 00:39:43.960
they're trying to get over and it has to do

730
00:39:44.000 --> 00:39:46.599
with guilt. He still loves her. You can see that

731
00:39:46.639 --> 00:39:51.880
he loves her in a like a friendly fatherly protect

732
00:39:51.920 --> 00:39:57.519
her way and it's very clearly established in an interesting way,

733
00:39:57.559 --> 00:39:59.599
and it's well acted, so good stuff. He's going to

734
00:39:59.679 --> 00:40:02.760
run through as for her, right exactly, all right? So

735
00:40:02.840 --> 00:40:07.519
for me, my next two favorite scenes does involved the courtroom,

736
00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:12.440
and a lot of it is because of just reactions

737
00:40:12.480 --> 00:40:16.679
from our main two characters, Glenn Close and Jeff Bridges.

738
00:40:17.280 --> 00:40:21.280
So the first one the prosecutor puts on for a witness,

739
00:40:21.519 --> 00:40:24.800
Missus Virginia Howell, because the prosecutors are trying to establish

740
00:40:24.840 --> 00:40:28.440
what the motive is of why Forrester killed his wife,

741
00:40:28.800 --> 00:40:34.719
and Virginia Howell's basically testifying that Paige Forrester wanted a

742
00:40:34.800 --> 00:40:40.519
divorce and if she divorced Jack, Jack would end up

743
00:40:40.639 --> 00:40:44.920
with nothing. Page dies, everything goes to him, So that's

744
00:40:45.039 --> 00:40:50.000
that's the whole prosecutor's case. She testifies, and then Teddy

745
00:40:50.039 --> 00:40:53.840
goes up to cross examine and she just ends up

746
00:40:53.880 --> 00:41:00.199
destroying Virginia and basically just kills her testimony because she

747
00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:05.280
finds out all this information that Virginia is attracted to Jack.

748
00:41:05.800 --> 00:41:08.079
We've established that Jeff Bridge's a good looking guy in

749
00:41:08.119 --> 00:41:13.519
this and she's been calling him. And Teddy ends up

750
00:41:13.679 --> 00:41:18.639
with this piece of evidence where Page writes a note

751
00:41:19.039 --> 00:41:23.840
to Jack about getting away together and that his wife

752
00:41:24.000 --> 00:41:28.320
would never know, and Teddy takes the letter, it makes

753
00:41:28.519 --> 00:41:34.199
Page read it in court. Yeah, great, and it's basically established.

754
00:41:34.280 --> 00:41:37.159
Once Page found out about the note, because Jack gave

755
00:41:37.199 --> 00:41:40.840
it to her, they stopped talking, So she has no

756
00:41:40.960 --> 00:41:44.920
idea if Paige's really going to divorce Jack, or if

757
00:41:44.920 --> 00:41:47.400
she had even put the paperwork in. So I just

758
00:41:47.760 --> 00:41:51.599
thought how the prosecutor thought they had something in the bag.

759
00:41:51.679 --> 00:41:54.519
And then Teddy just turns the whole thing around and

760
00:41:54.559 --> 00:41:55.800
squashes it.

761
00:41:56.000 --> 00:41:58.719
Was cool. I'm like, all right, there's one point for

762
00:41:58.800 --> 00:42:01.960
the defendant. What's the prosecutor got next up their sleeve.

763
00:42:02.159 --> 00:42:03.400
It's a short scene, but.

764
00:42:03.320 --> 00:42:07.079
I like that a lot. Absolutely, It's great, well acted.

765
00:42:07.400 --> 00:42:09.960
This is what we love about courtroom drama. You just

766
00:42:10.239 --> 00:42:12.159
never know when it's going to swing one way or

767
00:42:12.199 --> 00:42:15.079
the other. You think this is all in the prosecution's favor.

768
00:42:15.159 --> 00:42:17.880
It's obviously one of their lead witnesses. They called her

769
00:42:17.880 --> 00:42:21.079
for a reason. She's got all this evidence saying that

770
00:42:21.559 --> 00:42:25.440
Paige Forrester was going to divorce him and these things,

771
00:42:25.480 --> 00:42:28.440
and then it just flips completely. And then once again,

772
00:42:28.719 --> 00:42:30.960
when you've seen the entire film and you look back

773
00:42:31.000 --> 00:42:36.079
on this, it seems clear that Jack knew, most likely

774
00:42:36.159 --> 00:42:38.400
Virginia Howell was going to be called as a witness,

775
00:42:38.719 --> 00:42:41.719
and he was ready with the letter that she had

776
00:42:41.760 --> 00:42:45.719
sent him, and knew obviously that Virginia was in love

777
00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:49.639
with him and would probably make up some or fabricate

778
00:42:49.760 --> 00:42:51.920
something against him, you know, in the way that she

779
00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:55.039
is a bit of a jilted lover that she. I mean,

780
00:42:55.039 --> 00:42:57.440
they were never actually lovers, but you know what I mean.

781
00:42:57.519 --> 00:43:03.280
So yeah, it's smart performances. When Glenn Close does her

782
00:43:03.599 --> 00:43:09.719
thing as the attorney presenting the evidence, there's tactics always right,

783
00:43:10.159 --> 00:43:12.280
and the way she uses her body or voice and

784
00:43:12.320 --> 00:43:14.920
approaches Virginia, then gives her that letter and has her

785
00:43:14.960 --> 00:43:17.639
read it, and then has her specifically read how she

786
00:43:17.840 --> 00:43:22.239
signed it as Ginny instead of Virginia. It's a nice

787
00:43:22.280 --> 00:43:24.719
little cap on a nice little period. Love it.

788
00:43:24.840 --> 00:43:29.039
Good stuff, man, love Ginny. So here we go with

789
00:43:29.480 --> 00:43:34.719
prosecutor's next witness. Her name is Eileen Avery, and she

790
00:43:34.880 --> 00:43:37.840
was the last minute witness that Teddy had no idea

791
00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:41.280
that Fenn has had no idea about. And here we go.

792
00:43:41.360 --> 00:43:44.719
This is where Jeff Bridges of Glenn Close. Everything's in

793
00:43:44.760 --> 00:43:49.119
their face. So they call Eileen to the stand, and

794
00:43:49.199 --> 00:43:53.280
of course Teddy turns to Jack and asks who this is,

795
00:43:53.639 --> 00:43:57.400
and you can tell right away by Jack's expression, fuck,

796
00:43:58.119 --> 00:44:01.719
I'm in trouble and all He responds with a friend

797
00:44:02.440 --> 00:44:05.119
and Cheddy's who is it. She's like just a friend.

798
00:44:05.599 --> 00:44:09.000
Aleen's on stage and the prosecutor grills her, what is

799
00:44:09.079 --> 00:44:14.280
your relationship with Jack? Forrester, and she confesses that she

800
00:44:14.639 --> 00:44:18.039
was Jack's lover two years ago, which only puts her

801
00:44:18.119 --> 00:44:20.519
twenty four at the time. And we keep doing these

802
00:44:20.559 --> 00:44:25.719
cutaways to Glenn Close Teddy Barnes, and she has her

803
00:44:25.719 --> 00:44:29.440
hand over her mouth and she's intently listening, but you

804
00:44:29.480 --> 00:44:32.119
can see in her eyes so they're literally glazed over

805
00:44:32.480 --> 00:44:35.679
that she's going almost on the verge of tears because

806
00:44:35.719 --> 00:44:38.880
at this point she's already in a relationship with Jack,

807
00:44:39.320 --> 00:44:43.679
and she's told Jack multiple times, do not lie to me,

808
00:44:44.280 --> 00:44:48.679
or I will drop this case. And because of what

809
00:44:49.400 --> 00:44:54.280
Eileen is saying on the stand, she knows she's in trouble.

810
00:44:54.760 --> 00:44:57.119
She's in trouble, and she doesn't know what to do.

811
00:44:57.599 --> 00:45:02.239
She doesn't have anything prepared for her. And I think

812
00:45:02.239 --> 00:45:04.119
they cut away to her like two or three times.

813
00:45:04.480 --> 00:45:09.480
And I just love Glenn Close's reaction to this. It's amazing,

814
00:45:09.519 --> 00:45:12.960
Like if she could turn and punch Jack in the

815
00:45:13.000 --> 00:45:15.639
face right there in the courtroom, she would, but she

816
00:45:15.719 --> 00:45:19.199
can't because I would give away his guilt. And how

817
00:45:19.239 --> 00:45:23.320
she just has to say stay super reserved. And then

818
00:45:23.559 --> 00:45:25.199
they asked us she has any questions. She's like, no

819
00:45:25.320 --> 00:45:28.920
questions and walks out, and now everything has changed. From

820
00:45:28.920 --> 00:45:32.119
that point they were ahead of the last witness. Now

821
00:45:32.119 --> 00:45:34.800
they're down. It was almost a two point swinging there

822
00:45:35.000 --> 00:45:37.480
with just establishing the fact that Jack has had an

823
00:45:37.480 --> 00:45:41.440
affair with someone else really hurts her case. And it's

824
00:45:41.639 --> 00:45:45.360
a really small scene, but Bridges gives an amazing look

825
00:45:45.679 --> 00:45:48.719
and Glenn Close gives some amazing looks. I was like, Oh,

826
00:45:48.719 --> 00:45:51.599
that's awesome. And really neither of them say anything at

827
00:45:51.599 --> 00:45:54.119
those points, and they're the highlights of that scene.

828
00:45:54.320 --> 00:45:57.519
Well described. It's great. The actress that plays I Lean

829
00:45:57.599 --> 00:46:01.960
Avery stunning. She's gorgeous. Oh my god, she's beautiful. I

830
00:46:02.000 --> 00:46:04.039
was like, yeah, she's young, but I can see how

831
00:46:04.159 --> 00:46:07.920
that would happen two pretty people getting together. Anyway, You're

832
00:46:08.000 --> 00:46:14.159
right a thousand percent. Glenn Close in this scene, silent acting.

833
00:46:14.320 --> 00:46:17.000
All the silent acting and reacting she does in this

834
00:46:17.079 --> 00:46:20.559
film is wonderful. Hand to the mouth, it's in her eyes.

835
00:46:21.119 --> 00:46:23.679
You don't know if she's gonna scream or she's gonna cry,

836
00:46:24.119 --> 00:46:28.760
but she's stoic and she's waiting because she just has

837
00:46:28.880 --> 00:46:32.679
to take it. And it's awful because, like I said,

838
00:46:32.719 --> 00:46:35.039
and you mentioned, it's the swing, they were up, now

839
00:46:35.039 --> 00:46:38.400
they're down. Now they're losing, and it only gets worse

840
00:46:38.440 --> 00:46:41.880
because here she's taken a hit. He's you know, the

841
00:46:41.920 --> 00:46:44.400
defense has taken it. Jack Forrester's taking a big hit.

842
00:46:44.679 --> 00:46:47.000
Doesn't look good for him. He's had an affair, he

843
00:46:47.079 --> 00:46:50.119
lied about it to her. She's pissed at him. That's

844
00:46:50.159 --> 00:46:54.199
not good. So it's a great, great short scene, great moment,

845
00:46:54.239 --> 00:46:57.920
and it leads right into my next favorite scene because

846
00:46:57.920 --> 00:46:59.719
we're going to continue here in the courtroom and it

847
00:46:59.760 --> 00:47:03.960
all gets worse for them. Are you ready to move on, Gecko?

848
00:47:04.599 --> 00:47:11.079
The prosecution calls Bobby Slade. Yeah, their bad day only

849
00:47:11.119 --> 00:47:14.159
gets worse, I mean the defense, because the prosecution calls

850
00:47:14.320 --> 00:47:20.119
this scumbag Bobby Slade, who shows up mentioning that he

851
00:47:20.320 --> 00:47:26.119
worked at the Hillsboro Racket Club or country club where

852
00:47:26.239 --> 00:47:29.440
Paige Forrester was a member as well as Jack, and

853
00:47:29.480 --> 00:47:33.880
Bobby Slade had an affair with Page. So now not

854
00:47:33.920 --> 00:47:36.440
only do we know that Jack was having an affair,

855
00:47:36.880 --> 00:47:41.280
but Page was having an affair with this character, Bobby Slade.

856
00:47:41.320 --> 00:47:44.679
Who's this. He's a handsome, like thick, blonde haired guy.

857
00:47:45.800 --> 00:47:48.960
Was he like a tennis instructor or tennis player anyway,

858
00:47:49.000 --> 00:47:52.639
would play with Paige and they engage in an affair.

859
00:47:53.280 --> 00:47:57.880
Now we hear that Bobby Slade and Paige Forrester, the

860
00:47:57.920 --> 00:48:01.079
deceased wife of Jack Forster. We had some pillow talk

861
00:48:01.440 --> 00:48:05.519
during this affair, and Page said some things and was

862
00:48:05.599 --> 00:48:10.440
leaning towards leaving Jack, as well as talking about how

863
00:48:10.920 --> 00:48:15.320
she knew that Jack would manipulate women uses looks and

864
00:48:15.400 --> 00:48:18.599
also one point in particular, how he would always take

865
00:48:18.639 --> 00:48:21.679
women to see the horses and ride with them. And

866
00:48:21.800 --> 00:48:27.159
now this hits Teddy Barnes even deeper because Teddy has

867
00:48:27.280 --> 00:48:32.320
engaged in an affair herself with her client, Jack Forster,

868
00:48:32.400 --> 00:48:35.400
before the trial even began, and she's involved. And so

869
00:48:35.599 --> 00:48:37.960
not only now has Jack been lying to her about

870
00:48:37.960 --> 00:48:40.840
the affairs he's had, so on a professional level this

871
00:48:41.039 --> 00:48:44.840
works against their case, but now because she personally has

872
00:48:44.920 --> 00:48:48.400
fallen for Jack, this is Teddy. And Jack used that

873
00:48:48.559 --> 00:48:51.239
tactic of taking her out to the stables and showing

874
00:48:51.239 --> 00:48:54.360
her the horses, and they've gone riding together. She's like, oh,

875
00:48:54.400 --> 00:48:57.639
he does this with all the ladies, and now you

876
00:48:57.679 --> 00:48:59.320
see it again on her face. Like you said, Bill,

877
00:48:59.400 --> 00:49:02.119
it's all in her reactions. So I like the scene

878
00:49:02.159 --> 00:49:04.960
because of that, because it doubles down on just all

879
00:49:04.960 --> 00:49:06.960
the shit that's hitting the fan for the defense team.

880
00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:10.760
And I like the scumbag Bobby Slate, like I mentioned earlier,

881
00:49:10.840 --> 00:49:12.440
I like that actor. I thought he's a he's a

882
00:49:12.480 --> 00:49:15.679
real dick, and he plays that part to a t.

883
00:49:16.360 --> 00:49:20.400
I think only William Zapka could maybe have matched that performance,

884
00:49:20.599 --> 00:49:23.000
like he's just that Oh that's true. Yeah, you know,

885
00:49:23.440 --> 00:49:25.480
just kind of like that. Oh, I can see he

886
00:49:25.639 --> 00:49:29.960
was that prick in high school. Handsome guy jock but

887
00:49:30.400 --> 00:49:33.079
kind of full of shit and just kind of a

888
00:49:33.239 --> 00:49:36.679
just and it takes advantage of women, you know kind

889
00:49:36.679 --> 00:49:39.360
of thing. He plays it. He plays that pretty well.

890
00:49:39.760 --> 00:49:43.039
So what I want to get into is the fact

891
00:49:43.039 --> 00:49:47.000
that there's a classic moment in between this when now

892
00:49:47.320 --> 00:49:49.320
because they had such a terrible day and she feels

893
00:49:49.400 --> 00:49:51.840
lied to by Jack and I said, our Teddy wants

894
00:49:51.880 --> 00:49:54.559
to recruit accuse herself as the lead attorney and she

895
00:49:54.559 --> 00:49:57.000
wants to get out of this. But who shows up

896
00:49:57.199 --> 00:50:01.239
her lead investigator, Robert Loja Sam, who presents some new

897
00:50:01.239 --> 00:50:02.800
evidence that I love it, you know. He shows up

898
00:50:02.800 --> 00:50:06.440
with the evidence against Bobby Slade that might actually turn

899
00:50:06.559 --> 00:50:09.239
things around here, the swinging of the pendulum. So she

900
00:50:09.440 --> 00:50:12.079
sticks with the case and they go back and she

901
00:50:12.360 --> 00:50:17.480
recalls Bobby Slade to the stand and reveals that not

902
00:50:17.519 --> 00:50:20.079
only had he worked at the Hillsboro Racket Club, but

903
00:50:20.079 --> 00:50:22.920
but prior to that, he worked at a club in

904
00:50:23.320 --> 00:50:28.360
Santa Cruz where he was summarily dismissed because supposedly he

905
00:50:28.440 --> 00:50:31.840
was selling sexual favors. Doesn't look good. Then he moves

906
00:50:31.880 --> 00:50:34.079
on to his new job at Hillsboro where he meets

907
00:50:34.119 --> 00:50:39.039
Paige Forester and they engage in unfair and now slowly

908
00:50:39.079 --> 00:50:41.559
but surely, Teddy's getting the upper hand on Bobby Slade

909
00:50:41.559 --> 00:50:44.079
and says, okay, so where did you have sex with Paige?

910
00:50:44.440 --> 00:50:47.280
And he says, well, we hit sex here here, there,

911
00:50:47.320 --> 00:50:50.599
and also at the Baker Beach House that's where the

912
00:50:50.719 --> 00:50:54.440
murder took place. Doesn't look good for Bobby now, and

913
00:50:54.519 --> 00:50:57.559
then Teddy goes even further and says, what kind of

914
00:50:57.639 --> 00:50:59.960
sex did you have with Paige? Was it rough sex?

915
00:51:00.760 --> 00:51:05.519
And Bobby slowly sees, uh, oh, now she's placed him

916
00:51:05.519 --> 00:51:09.280
at the Baker beach house and they were having rough sex.

917
00:51:09.320 --> 00:51:12.679
This isn't looking good, and Bobby's like, you can tell

918
00:51:12.679 --> 00:51:15.159
on his face, He's like, oh, crap, am I being

919
00:51:15.239 --> 00:51:19.119
framed for this murder or at least made to look

920
00:51:19.199 --> 00:51:23.880
as a suspect in this case. And when Teddy's gets

921
00:51:23.960 --> 00:51:25.840
really up close to him and says, you know, what

922
00:51:25.960 --> 00:51:28.199
kind of sex did you have? And was it rough?

923
00:51:28.559 --> 00:51:31.079
He turns to her and says under his breath, you

924
00:51:31.239 --> 00:51:34.960
fucking bitch. And that's the dagger, because we know as

925
00:51:35.000 --> 00:51:39.039
an audience in this case, the word bitch was written

926
00:51:39.079 --> 00:51:43.039
in Page's blood above her body at the crime scene.

927
00:51:43.079 --> 00:51:48.599
So now Teddy's got him. She insists that he repeat

928
00:51:48.880 --> 00:51:51.039
what he just said. She's like, what did you just

929
00:51:51.079 --> 00:51:53.239
call me? What did you just call me? You called

930
00:51:53.239 --> 00:51:56.159
me a bitch? And he's like yeah, And so it's

931
00:51:56.199 --> 00:51:58.360
just great. Those are the moments built. These are the

932
00:51:58.360 --> 00:52:00.960
moments in these courtroom dramas that you you're looking forward to,

933
00:52:01.000 --> 00:52:03.119
that you want where you want to see it. Go back, Oh,

934
00:52:03.159 --> 00:52:06.079
what's the evidence that Sam got against Bobby Slade to

935
00:52:06.119 --> 00:52:08.760
turn this around and make Bobby look bad? How is

936
00:52:08.800 --> 00:52:11.079
Teddy going to use that evidence and then take it

937
00:52:11.119 --> 00:52:13.599
even further to make Bobby look bad. It's great, and

938
00:52:13.639 --> 00:52:16.119
it moves on into I'm just I'm cheating on combining

939
00:52:16.159 --> 00:52:21.639
scenes too. Then she actually recalls this character, Fabreezy that's

940
00:52:21.639 --> 00:52:23.519
his last name, who was a janitor at the club

941
00:52:23.719 --> 00:52:26.519
and had discovered the hunting knife that was used in

942
00:52:26.559 --> 00:52:30.960
the murder in Jack Forrester's locker at the club, however,

943
00:52:31.079 --> 00:52:33.360
and this was like, this was the slam dunk for

944
00:52:33.400 --> 00:52:35.840
the prosecution for Breezy with the knife, had found the

945
00:52:35.880 --> 00:52:39.079
knife and etc. That was its circumstantial evidence. But this

946
00:52:39.119 --> 00:52:41.960
is what got Jack Forster arrested to begin with. And

947
00:52:42.000 --> 00:52:45.760
then we see Teddy working her magic when she recalls

948
00:52:45.840 --> 00:52:48.800
for Breezy because they found they went back even further.

949
00:52:49.119 --> 00:52:51.840
She had Sam as the investigator, go back even further

950
00:52:51.880 --> 00:52:56.159
found another member at the club who possessed a hunting

951
00:52:56.239 --> 00:52:59.639
knife and happened to keep it in his locker the

952
00:52:59.800 --> 00:53:03.840
roh right behind Jack's locker. Jack's locker was number one

953
00:53:03.880 --> 00:53:06.559
twenty two. This other gentleman at the club, his locker

954
00:53:06.639 --> 00:53:09.840
number was two twenty two. And now she takes this

955
00:53:09.920 --> 00:53:13.199
too Fabreezy on the stand and says, is it possible

956
00:53:13.760 --> 00:53:16.519
that you saw this knife in Locker two twenty two,

957
00:53:16.920 --> 00:53:18.960
and he breaks down and says, yeah, it's oh yeah,

958
00:53:18.960 --> 00:53:21.320
of course it's possible. It's possible, and then that's it

959
00:53:21.760 --> 00:53:24.559
reasonable doubt. It's gonna be in the jury's minds and

960
00:53:24.639 --> 00:53:28.000
that's the that's the shit. I like, man, it's like, wow, Okay,

961
00:53:28.800 --> 00:53:32.400
defense did their work. Teddy's a great lawyer. Watching Glenn

962
00:53:32.440 --> 00:53:35.320
Close move around the courtroom as an actress, as a performer,

963
00:53:35.360 --> 00:53:39.039
as a lawyer, wonderful. How she lays out the evidence,

964
00:53:39.639 --> 00:53:43.639
watching Jeff Bridges react the entire time behind the table

965
00:53:43.639 --> 00:53:46.480
of the defense, and then she just she chicks corners

966
00:53:46.519 --> 00:53:49.599
these witnesses and you're like, damn, that's just this flipped

967
00:53:49.639 --> 00:53:53.000
real quick, and it looks like Jack just might get

968
00:53:53.000 --> 00:53:55.880
off for this murder. So yeah, I love those I

969
00:53:56.000 --> 00:53:58.360
love those moments. Those really worked for me.

970
00:53:58.880 --> 00:54:03.679
Yeah, I think I like the prosecutor is interviewing Slade

971
00:54:04.039 --> 00:54:06.519
and giving the testimonies, like, who does this hurt more?

972
00:54:06.840 --> 00:54:09.719
Is it hurting the defense or is it hurting Teddy?

973
00:54:10.000 --> 00:54:14.960
Because he's almost telling Teddy how Jack gets women in bed,

974
00:54:15.519 --> 00:54:18.400
and she's like, oh yeah, I just went through all

975
00:54:18.440 --> 00:54:21.760
those steps with him exactly exactly.

976
00:54:22.119 --> 00:54:24.039
But the fact that very personal.

977
00:54:24.639 --> 00:54:28.360
He divulges that Page wants to leave her husband, so

978
00:54:28.599 --> 00:54:31.199
another reason for him to commit the murder.

979
00:54:31.639 --> 00:54:31.840
Right.

980
00:54:32.119 --> 00:54:34.760
I think all the witness stuff really worked a lot

981
00:54:35.039 --> 00:54:35.960
throughout this movie.

982
00:54:36.239 --> 00:54:38.199
Yeah, just fun to see the back and forth. You know,

983
00:54:38.199 --> 00:54:40.119
they had a terrible day and it looks like they're

984
00:54:40.159 --> 00:54:41.639
on the losing end of things. How are they going

985
00:54:41.719 --> 00:54:44.519
to swing it back to their favor and they do?

986
00:54:44.760 --> 00:54:52.239
Yeah? All kay, Let's move on to Swiss cheese and

987
00:54:52.400 --> 00:54:55.119
complaint department and what do we call swiss cheese?

988
00:54:55.440 --> 00:54:58.559
Because although this movie is delicious, it does have serrated

989
00:54:59.159 --> 00:54:59.880
stab holes.

990
00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:02.679
Yes, if it doesn't have those serena at stabholes, we

991
00:55:02.840 --> 00:55:05.480
just file a complaint with the complaint department. All right, Jason,

992
00:55:05.519 --> 00:55:07.159
what do you have for swiss cheezer complaints?

993
00:55:07.840 --> 00:55:09.960
You know I started off with this, it's more of

994
00:55:10.000 --> 00:55:13.639
a comment. When Teddy agrees to take the Forester case,

995
00:55:14.239 --> 00:55:17.400
she first meets with Forrester. There's a scene where she

996
00:55:17.440 --> 00:55:20.039
meets with Forrester and his lawyers James Karen and the

997
00:55:20.079 --> 00:55:22.920
scenes you know, as Andrew, one of the main guys

998
00:55:22.920 --> 00:55:27.119
in Forster's law firm. She says to Forrester, you lie

999
00:55:27.159 --> 00:55:30.400
to me or I think you're guilty, I drop the case.

1000
00:55:31.079 --> 00:55:34.599
The law firm guys do call her out. They're like, well,

1001
00:55:34.639 --> 00:55:37.239
that's unprofessional, and I was like, yeah, that is. I

1002
00:55:37.280 --> 00:55:39.679
was just surprised that she said that out loud. I'd

1003
00:55:39.760 --> 00:55:43.639
kind of admire her for that. But the attorney agree

1004
00:55:43.639 --> 00:55:47.320
with it or not, is supposed to be indifferent. It

1005
00:55:47.360 --> 00:55:49.840
doesn't matter whether she thinks he's guilty or not. She

1006
00:55:49.920 --> 00:55:52.280
has a job to do, and that's to defend him

1007
00:55:52.400 --> 00:55:54.280
and try to win the case. Yeah.

1008
00:55:54.320 --> 00:55:57.199
I agree with that too. I think part of it

1009
00:55:57.280 --> 00:56:00.119
is she almost feels like our hands are tied that

1010
00:56:00.159 --> 00:56:03.719
she has to take this case, and I think maybe

1011
00:56:03.840 --> 00:56:06.440
she says that just to see if she can get

1012
00:56:06.519 --> 00:56:09.159
some kind of reaction out of Jack.

1013
00:56:09.679 --> 00:56:12.280
Sure, and to her credit, she does say when she

1014
00:56:12.400 --> 00:56:13.920
and I have this is my I'll tie this in.

1015
00:56:14.199 --> 00:56:16.599
When she goes to meet Jack for the first time

1016
00:56:16.639 --> 00:56:19.360
at his home, she does tell him it doesn't matter

1017
00:56:19.599 --> 00:56:22.119
whether or not she thinks he's guilty, that she has

1018
00:56:22.199 --> 00:56:24.639
to win. It's just that she switches it. Then when

1019
00:56:24.679 --> 00:56:27.920
they actually have the official meeting when she takes the case.

1020
00:56:27.920 --> 00:56:30.280
It's kind of interesting, but it's funny too, because I

1021
00:56:30.280 --> 00:56:33.239
had this comment. When she goes to see Jack for

1022
00:56:33.280 --> 00:56:35.480
the first time, she pulls up in like the station wagon.

1023
00:56:35.760 --> 00:56:37.440
Sure her kids are in the back of the car.

1024
00:56:38.039 --> 00:56:40.320
She goes and conducts. She just leaves the kids in

1025
00:56:40.320 --> 00:56:42.320
the car. She goes and has this entire meeting.

1026
00:56:42.480 --> 00:56:44.760
There's a shout of them outside having catch because I

1027
00:56:44.760 --> 00:56:46.360
thought the same thing. I'm like, what the hell happened

1028
00:56:46.400 --> 00:56:50.199
to the kids? And then outside, Yeah, having a catch?

1029
00:56:50.320 --> 00:56:51.840
Right, that's good. Okay.

1030
00:56:51.920 --> 00:56:53.760
I was like, I didn't catch it the first time.

1031
00:56:53.800 --> 00:56:55.239
I think it was the second time I watched that.

1032
00:56:55.320 --> 00:56:57.039
I finally because I was like, yeah, what the hell

1033
00:56:57.039 --> 00:56:59.159
happens to the kids? So I was really looking for it.

1034
00:56:59.199 --> 00:57:00.840
And then I saw him out kids.

1035
00:57:01.400 --> 00:57:06.119
I know, meeting can't afford a babysitter. Come on, this

1036
00:57:06.159 --> 00:57:09.760
could possibly be Swiss cheese for me, because how does

1037
00:57:09.760 --> 00:57:12.719
this case even go to trial? They have next to

1038
00:57:12.920 --> 00:57:16.599
no evidence. Good point. Good point that proves Jack killed

1039
00:57:16.599 --> 00:57:19.760
his wife. No one saw a knife. Yeah, that might

1040
00:57:19.800 --> 00:57:22.360
have been the murder weapon. Maybe it's just watching too

1041
00:57:22.440 --> 00:57:25.400
much Law and Order. Yeah, I don't think we'll get

1042
00:57:25.440 --> 00:57:28.079
through pre trial. So if there's any lawyers out there

1043
00:57:28.239 --> 00:57:30.599
that are listening, let us know what it even got

1044
00:57:30.679 --> 00:57:33.239
to trial based on what they had at that point.

1045
00:57:33.480 --> 00:57:36.440
This is something I've learned by listening to too much

1046
00:57:36.599 --> 00:57:40.559
true crime drama podcasts and watching too much Dayline. Is

1047
00:57:40.559 --> 00:57:43.599
that in the past, back in the good old days,

1048
00:57:43.840 --> 00:57:50.400
during trials, eyewitness testimony was given a lot more credit.

1049
00:57:51.199 --> 00:57:56.119
Correct wait, and over the years now, eyewitness testimony has

1050
00:57:56.159 --> 00:57:59.800
been proven to be shaky at best. So I agree

1051
00:57:59.800 --> 00:58:02.280
with you because I thought the same thing. Like, you're

1052
00:58:02.320 --> 00:58:04.719
just going to go with that. The one guy who

1053
00:58:04.880 --> 00:58:08.440
says he thought he saw this knife in Forrester's locker,

1054
00:58:08.519 --> 00:58:12.039
he remembers that specifically he thought about it at that time.

1055
00:58:12.119 --> 00:58:15.119
It's like, well, it's been proven time and time again

1056
00:58:15.199 --> 00:58:18.800
when we our memories play tricks on us. And because

1057
00:58:18.840 --> 00:58:21.360
I've done it, I think I have a wonderful memory,

1058
00:58:21.400 --> 00:58:23.760
and I'll remember all kinds of things and then go

1059
00:58:23.840 --> 00:58:26.199
back and like, let's say it's my childhood home and

1060
00:58:26.199 --> 00:58:27.920
I walked through my childhood home and I'm like, oh,

1061
00:58:27.960 --> 00:58:31.199
I had these images reversed. The fireplace was on that side,

1062
00:58:31.199 --> 00:58:34.159
Like how did I Why do I remember it differently? Correct?

1063
00:58:34.559 --> 00:58:36.679
You just do your mind does that to you. You

1064
00:58:36.760 --> 00:58:38.840
go back to a certain scene where something happened and

1065
00:58:38.880 --> 00:58:43.079
everything's reversed, Like, wow, I remember it so differently. I

1066
00:58:43.280 --> 00:58:46.239
was wrong. So I think at maybe at the time,

1067
00:58:47.159 --> 00:58:51.360
that type of testimony or witness testimony would have carried

1068
00:58:51.400 --> 00:58:53.239
some weight. But yeah, you're right, it would have been

1069
00:58:53.480 --> 00:58:55.719
broken apart, Like if that's all they got to go on,

1070
00:58:56.119 --> 00:58:58.880
that's not enough. It would you're right, in the pre

1071
00:58:58.960 --> 00:59:01.880
trial stuff, it would have been they would have destroyed him.

1072
00:59:02.119 --> 00:59:04.719
Yeah, it's like, there's no way they're gonna win.

1073
00:59:04.760 --> 00:59:08.920
They got nothing. It's just not enough, m flimsy to

1074
00:59:08.960 --> 00:59:11.760
begin with that. So I'm gonna just talk about my

1075
00:59:11.960 --> 00:59:15.920
main issue here again. It was the initial development of

1076
00:59:15.960 --> 00:59:18.920
the relationship between Teddy and Jack. I didn't feel like

1077
00:59:18.960 --> 00:59:21.559
there was enough time for it to simmer to develop.

1078
00:59:21.760 --> 00:59:24.880
Bills made some good counter points to this, but it

1079
00:59:24.920 --> 00:59:28.079
happened way too quickly as obviously unprofessional on Teddy's part

1080
00:59:28.119 --> 00:59:30.119
because of the conflict of interest. We know, we do

1081
00:59:30.199 --> 00:59:33.480
know she's divorced, but it's not I didn't feel like

1082
00:59:33.599 --> 00:59:39.760
she was that vulnerable to be susceptible to Jeff Bridge's charm.

1083
00:59:39.800 --> 00:59:42.480
But he's a beautiful man and he's very try. I

1084
00:59:42.480 --> 00:59:45.280
don't know, but I just feel Glenn Close as an

1085
00:59:45.280 --> 00:59:47.639
actress has such a strength about her, and it just

1086
00:59:47.760 --> 00:59:51.119
made her seem very weak very quickly. For me. That's

1087
00:59:51.159 --> 00:59:54.280
my opinion. Had it been more of a boiling pot romance,

1088
00:59:54.559 --> 00:59:57.800
it would have worked better for me. Also, the simple

1089
00:59:57.840 --> 01:00:00.199
fact that he had just lost his wife to to

1090
01:00:00.239 --> 01:00:03.960
three months earlier and seems to be really okay with

1091
01:00:04.079 --> 01:00:07.719
engaging in this with her. Was like, Wow, that's pretty quick.

1092
01:00:08.559 --> 01:00:11.639
He just thought that too, his wife in a brutal murner.

1093
01:00:11.679 --> 01:00:14.480
So from her perspective, her character's perspective, wouldn't she think

1094
01:00:14.519 --> 01:00:16.840
that as well? Be like a little creeped out by that,

1095
01:00:16.960 --> 01:00:20.639
being like, I don't know about you. You just lost

1096
01:00:20.639 --> 01:00:22.480
your wife, now you're hitting on me. I don't know.

1097
01:00:22.960 --> 01:00:25.360
He's pretty subtle about it. Again, it is Jeff Bridges,

1098
01:00:25.480 --> 01:00:31.440
so we all grieve in our own ways. Also, towards

1099
01:00:31.440 --> 01:00:33.480
the end of the film, and this is still on

1100
01:00:33.519 --> 01:00:36.039
the point of their relationship, I felt like I missed

1101
01:00:36.079 --> 01:00:40.159
something in the relationship between because obviously there is a

1102
01:00:40.199 --> 01:00:44.039
divisive situation a moment here between the two because when

1103
01:00:44.039 --> 01:00:47.559
they have their shitty day in court, Teddy is personally

1104
01:00:47.760 --> 01:00:49.880
hurt and she wants to get off the case, and

1105
01:00:49.920 --> 01:00:53.440
she knows that Jack lied to her and manipulated her.

1106
01:00:54.079 --> 01:00:57.480
Then because the case turns and it goes well for

1107
01:00:57.639 --> 01:01:00.679
her and him, because she gets the evidence from Sam, etcetera,

1108
01:01:00.719 --> 01:01:04.760
and gets the better of these witnesses. She recalls all

1109
01:01:04.760 --> 01:01:06.639
of a sudden, then at the end, she's back in

1110
01:01:06.679 --> 01:01:10.280
his arms. I didn't see that turn between the two

1111
01:01:10.320 --> 01:01:10.639
of them.

1112
01:01:11.199 --> 01:01:14.519
That makes a little sense, because she really didn't want

1113
01:01:14.519 --> 01:01:17.480
to have anything to do with him even after he

1114
01:01:17.519 --> 01:01:18.280
got off.

1115
01:01:18.599 --> 01:01:21.199
Now you're gonna go jump into the bed with him again,

1116
01:01:21.239 --> 01:01:24.880
you trust him again after the lies and the betrayal

1117
01:01:25.400 --> 01:01:28.199
throughout the case. Those are my thoughts regarding them.

1118
01:01:28.280 --> 01:01:29.599
Yeah, I don't know how to answer that. I have

1119
01:01:29.599 --> 01:01:30.800
to be in her shoes to be honest.

1120
01:01:32.400 --> 01:01:34.880
I don't understand. Why can't you just put yourself in

1121
01:01:34.920 --> 01:01:38.079
a female prosecutor's shoes in a relationship with Jeff Bridges.

1122
01:01:38.559 --> 01:01:39.000
I don't know.

1123
01:01:40.320 --> 01:01:42.960
The Dead Maid, No, that was exactly what I had next.

1124
01:01:43.760 --> 01:01:46.239
There's so many characters in this movie that just disappear

1125
01:01:46.719 --> 01:01:48.800
like you did. The quote from the psychologist, So I'm like,

1126
01:01:48.920 --> 01:01:52.519
wouldn't they bring him right and testify at some point too?

1127
01:01:53.239 --> 01:01:54.559
It just felt like there's a lot of people that

1128
01:01:54.679 --> 01:01:56.400
just Lance hendrix Son, where'd you go?

1129
01:01:56.480 --> 01:01:59.760
Dude? Completely disappeared? I thought the same.

1130
01:01:59.599 --> 01:02:02.599
Thing, but the main thing because I'm like, Okay, he's

1131
01:02:02.599 --> 01:02:05.800
on trial for murder, and it keeps saying like he's not.

1132
01:02:05.960 --> 01:02:09.039
It's not double murder, it's just pages. I was going

1133
01:02:09.119 --> 01:02:11.400
to save that, I think for an additional question. I

1134
01:02:11.480 --> 01:02:13.880
have some I have a lot of questions. How does

1135
01:02:13.920 --> 01:02:16.760
that even work in a legal system when there was

1136
01:02:16.800 --> 01:02:21.440
a double murder Jeff Bridges is the accused, would there

1137
01:02:21.519 --> 01:02:24.280
be a concurrent sort of trial or would it then

1138
01:02:24.440 --> 01:02:28.079
the trial of Vensuela's murder occur after that? Was he

1139
01:02:28.159 --> 01:02:30.760
the main because he would be the main suspect in that.

1140
01:02:30.679 --> 01:02:32.519
Too, wouldn't he? Right? That's why I was trying to

1141
01:02:32.519 --> 01:02:35.199
figure out, like, I don't know how that works.

1142
01:02:35.400 --> 01:02:39.440
Why the end would make sense because when she finds

1143
01:02:39.480 --> 01:02:42.159
out that he's a murderer, she tells him and then

1144
01:02:42.199 --> 01:02:44.559
he goes to try to kill her. I'm like, is

1145
01:02:44.599 --> 01:02:48.800
it because he can be retried for the murder of

1146
01:02:48.880 --> 01:02:51.599
the maid? Is that the only reason why he's trying

1147
01:02:51.599 --> 01:02:54.960
to take her out? Because even if she knows he

1148
01:02:55.039 --> 01:02:57.280
did it, she can't do anything about it. He's already

1149
01:02:57.320 --> 01:02:59.880
been tried and found not guilty.

1150
01:03:00.039 --> 01:03:03.199
Yeah, double jeopardy, you can't. But then there's the separate

1151
01:03:03.199 --> 01:03:05.000
case of Consuela, the maid's murders.

1152
01:03:05.039 --> 01:03:07.119
So yeah, I don't know, right, That's why I was

1153
01:03:07.119 --> 01:03:08.840
trying to I'm like, why is there no mention of

1154
01:03:08.880 --> 01:03:12.800
the trial that there's was two murders committed? It's always

1155
01:03:12.800 --> 01:03:15.119
his focus on page I'm like, there's this poor maid

1156
01:03:15.360 --> 01:03:16.159
who had family.

1157
01:03:16.880 --> 01:03:19.480
I'm just gonna say, where's her family? Like, why aren't

1158
01:03:19.519 --> 01:03:21.320
they crying out going justice for.

1159
01:03:22.199 --> 01:03:24.280
Yeah, you would think they'd be in the court regardless.

1160
01:03:24.679 --> 01:03:27.440
Yeah, they needed that, they needed that. She really gets

1161
01:03:27.480 --> 01:03:31.880
lost in this. I did have an issue with that, Okay. Yeah.

1162
01:03:31.960 --> 01:03:35.440
Also at the very end, after Teddy and has won

1163
01:03:35.480 --> 01:03:41.800
the case and Jack has been declared innocent, she gets

1164
01:03:42.480 --> 01:03:46.199
very self righteous and makes a public statement to the

1165
01:03:46.239 --> 01:03:49.719
reporters right there, immediately after the conclusion of the case,

1166
01:03:49.840 --> 01:03:54.440
to the journalists, to the reporters there, and she admits

1167
01:03:54.559 --> 01:03:58.920
to the evidence that was withheld in the previous Henry

1168
01:03:58.960 --> 01:04:04.719
Styles case and places guilt upon herself and d A

1169
01:04:04.960 --> 01:04:08.679
Krasny right there in the corner, he's standing right opposite her,

1170
01:04:08.880 --> 01:04:13.039
calls him out in front of the press, and I

1171
01:04:13.079 --> 01:04:15.400
got a lot of questions about, like, why would you

1172
01:04:15.599 --> 01:04:19.719
do that in that public environment, because now I have

1173
01:04:19.760 --> 01:04:21.519
a question what's going to happen to your career? But

1174
01:04:21.599 --> 01:04:24.639
I understand she's trying to relieve herself of the guilt

1175
01:04:24.679 --> 01:04:26.920
or she's trying to do the right thing right, trying

1176
01:04:26.920 --> 01:04:29.920
to do the right thing, because I understand that, But

1177
01:04:29.960 --> 01:04:32.400
to do it that way I had a real problem with.

1178
01:04:32.800 --> 01:04:34.480
And then on top of it, I had no idea

1179
01:04:34.559 --> 01:04:37.559
why Krasney stood there the whole time and took it

1180
01:04:37.599 --> 01:04:39.639
and why didn't he just leave immediately as he knew

1181
01:04:39.679 --> 01:04:41.960
she was about to say all these things like just

1182
01:04:42.000 --> 01:04:44.159
get the hell out of dot, but he just stands there.

1183
01:04:44.559 --> 01:04:45.360
I was confused.

1184
01:04:45.840 --> 01:04:48.599
Yeah, that scene was very weird for me. First off,

1185
01:04:48.679 --> 01:04:51.719
I applaud the fact you keep saying Henry and not Harry,

1186
01:04:51.880 --> 01:04:55.239
because I keep want to say Harry styles oh every time.

1187
01:04:55.079 --> 01:04:58.840
You got me Oh, yeah, me too? Is it right, though?

1188
01:04:58.920 --> 01:05:01.360
Is it Henry or Harry? Hopefully it's I think it's

1189
01:05:01.400 --> 01:05:03.960
I think it's Henry because I always wanted to say

1190
01:05:03.960 --> 01:05:04.760
Harry as well.

1191
01:05:05.320 --> 01:05:09.239
Yeah, she basically just ruined her career. Cranzy's career, which

1192
01:05:09.280 --> 01:05:11.960
she wanted to do, and probably she probably ruined Sam's

1193
01:05:11.960 --> 01:05:15.519
career also, even though I should yes spurn it on

1194
01:05:15.559 --> 01:05:18.800
the bridges and then the fact, why the hell is

1195
01:05:18.840 --> 01:05:21.480
Henry's mom even there in the.

1196
01:05:21.440 --> 01:05:24.079
Courtroom, I thought the same thing was like that.

1197
01:05:24.320 --> 01:05:27.920
I found that weird too, Like, your son died, you're grieving,

1198
01:05:28.000 --> 01:05:31.199
you hate Teddy with the passion. I didn't get that.

1199
01:05:31.480 --> 01:05:32.039
It came.

1200
01:05:34.079 --> 01:05:34.599
Justified.

1201
01:05:34.920 --> 01:05:38.519
Yeah, okay, that was called cheeseball. We're good now, We're

1202
01:05:38.519 --> 01:05:42.480
good now, you and I No, I think her character

1203
01:05:42.519 --> 01:05:44.719
comes off a bit self righteous in that moment. I

1204
01:05:44.760 --> 01:05:47.280
think it's a poor decision to do that in a

1205
01:05:47.320 --> 01:05:53.280
public forum like that, and she's burning everybody, she's burning herself, cranzy.

1206
01:05:53.280 --> 01:05:56.440
There's just a better way to handle that, if she's

1207
01:05:56.519 --> 01:06:00.360
just trying to do the right thing and relieve guilt.

1208
01:06:00.599 --> 01:06:02.239
I had a problem with the way that was done.

1209
01:06:02.519 --> 01:06:03.519
Yeah, I agree.

1210
01:06:04.360 --> 01:06:07.639
Why wouldn't Jack Forrester get rid of the typewriter?

1211
01:06:08.119 --> 01:06:10.440
Oh yeah, that made no sense either.

1212
01:06:10.920 --> 01:06:14.599
He kept the typewriter, Just get rid of it, destroy it.

1213
01:06:14.639 --> 01:06:18.079
You're you're cleared, you're innocent. I mean, we know eventually

1214
01:06:18.119 --> 01:06:20.119
that he's the killer, and he's guilty, but I'm just

1215
01:06:20.119 --> 01:06:23.480
looking back going. Man, you were so smart about everything.

1216
01:06:24.599 --> 01:06:28.199
Why leave any piece of evidence leading to your guilt behind?

1217
01:06:28.679 --> 01:06:31.519
Get rid of exactly? Wasn't even a good typewriter that

1218
01:06:31.639 --> 01:06:33.719
I just had a real problem with that. You should

1219
01:06:33.719 --> 01:06:36.519
have gave it to Tom Hanks since he likes clectop writers.

1220
01:06:36.840 --> 01:06:39.719
Tom Hanks or Chris Vllnziano. Where you go?

1221
01:06:40.559 --> 01:06:43.199
Okay, trying to move on to Hey, it's that actor.

1222
01:06:44.039 --> 01:06:46.800
So in this segment we spotlight a character actor you

1223
01:06:46.840 --> 01:06:49.320
have seen in many other films, an actor making their

1224
01:06:49.360 --> 01:06:52.880
big screen debut, or an actor that makes an uncredited cameo.

1225
01:06:53.159 --> 01:06:56.000
Say it's an actor. Do we choose this week?

1226
01:06:56.280 --> 01:06:59.519
Well, Bill Bant this week for our Hay, it's that actor.

1227
01:06:59.559 --> 01:07:05.000
We have chosen Michael Dorn. He plays the character of

1228
01:07:05.480 --> 01:07:08.400
Dan his Lynn and if you blink you'll miss him

1229
01:07:08.480 --> 01:07:10.480
sort of. He does have a couple of good lines

1230
01:07:10.480 --> 01:07:13.480
which I'll mention, but he is playing this character. They

1231
01:07:13.480 --> 01:07:16.920
gave him a name, Dan his Linn, but he is

1232
01:07:17.199 --> 01:07:21.400
the polygraph technician. What would you call that role? Yeah,

1233
01:07:21.480 --> 01:07:27.039
sounds good in polygraph conductor impistrator? Didn't you so funny?

1234
01:07:27.159 --> 01:07:30.360
I'll be very transparent here when I saw his name

1235
01:07:30.400 --> 01:07:33.519
and the credits, I thought for sure he must have

1236
01:07:33.639 --> 01:07:37.880
been the other African American character, Greg Arnold, the assistant

1237
01:07:37.880 --> 01:07:41.280
to the DA, because I was watching that character throughout

1238
01:07:41.320 --> 01:07:44.920
the film going I know that voice, he looks familiar.

1239
01:07:44.960 --> 01:07:47.239
Who is that actor? But of course I was totally

1240
01:07:47.280 --> 01:07:49.960
mistaken because that character was portrayed by William Allen Young,

1241
01:07:50.079 --> 01:07:52.159
who also has been in a ton of things, including

1242
01:07:52.199 --> 01:07:54.159
District Nine, one of my favorite sci fi movies of

1243
01:07:54.239 --> 01:07:57.679
all time. So wait, Michael Dorn is the polygraph guy.

1244
01:07:57.719 --> 01:08:00.960
And I went back to that scene, and sure enough,

1245
01:08:01.840 --> 01:08:06.320
we get a mustached, mustachioed Michael Dorn in his feature

1246
01:08:06.360 --> 01:08:09.559
film debut. He's only got a few lines, but I

1247
01:08:09.639 --> 01:08:11.760
like this one. When he's talking about the polygraph that

1248
01:08:11.880 --> 01:08:14.679
Jack Forster had to take. He says, in regards to

1249
01:08:14.719 --> 01:08:18.680
the results, it's a straight solid graph. The machine loves

1250
01:08:18.720 --> 01:08:21.720
him he's telling the truth. Or he's the kind of

1251
01:08:21.760 --> 01:08:25.319
ice cube even the machine can't melt. Love it. I

1252
01:08:25.359 --> 01:08:28.119
love that line. He's the kind of ice cube that

1253
01:08:28.199 --> 01:08:32.039
even the machine can't melt. So. Michael Dorn a Texas

1254
01:08:32.119 --> 01:08:35.680
born actor, standing tall at six foot three, His career

1255
01:08:35.720 --> 01:08:37.439
dates back to the mid sixties, with an appearance on

1256
01:08:37.520 --> 01:08:41.119
Days of Our Lives in nineteen seventy six. He's uncredited

1257
01:08:41.199 --> 01:08:45.000
as Apollo Creed's bodyguard in the first Rocky film. He

1258
01:08:45.079 --> 01:08:48.600
gets his first regular TV series role as police officer

1259
01:08:48.720 --> 01:08:53.159
Jebediah Turner on sixty episodes of Chips from seventy seven

1260
01:08:53.199 --> 01:08:56.159
to eighty two and now Yes we Are into our

1261
01:08:56.199 --> 01:08:59.239
eighties Snapshot. He does a lot more episodic television. He

1262
01:08:59.319 --> 01:09:02.920
does have his debut here in Jagged Edge. He does

1263
01:09:03.000 --> 01:09:06.159
episodes of Hunter, Give Me a Break, Punky Brewster, Falcon Crest,

1264
01:09:06.159 --> 01:09:09.119
and then of course. He is best known for playing

1265
01:09:09.199 --> 01:09:14.479
Lieutenant Commander Wharf in the Star Trek franchise. He's the

1266
01:09:14.520 --> 01:09:17.119
first Klingon character to be part of a television series'

1267
01:09:17.199 --> 01:09:21.039
main cast. Dorn played the character of Wharf regularly from

1268
01:09:21.119 --> 01:09:23.279
nineteen eighty seven to two thousand and two, appearing in

1269
01:09:23.319 --> 01:09:26.279
four films and two hundred and seventy two at television episodes.

1270
01:09:26.439 --> 01:09:29.920
Dorn has had more episode appearances than any other actor

1271
01:09:29.960 --> 01:09:33.000
in the franchise's main cast. He goes on to do

1272
01:09:33.359 --> 01:09:36.159
more TV and film after Star Trek, although he does

1273
01:09:36.199 --> 01:09:38.760
a bunch of Star Trek spinoff work of course, so

1274
01:09:39.319 --> 01:09:41.640
those numbers are a little skewed. You can find different

1275
01:09:41.720 --> 01:09:43.520
numbers as far as how many episodes he was in

1276
01:09:43.600 --> 01:09:46.319
technically of Star Trek, a lot of Star Trek spinoff work.

1277
01:09:46.319 --> 01:09:49.079
As I mentioned, he does a lot of voiceover work

1278
01:09:49.680 --> 01:09:54.039
for video games and animated films and TV series because

1279
01:09:54.039 --> 01:09:56.760
he's just got that great, deep voice. Other mentionables much

1280
01:09:56.840 --> 01:10:00.359
later on. He does the Santa Claus two as sand Man.

1281
01:10:00.479 --> 01:10:02.359
That was in two thousand and two, the Santa Claus

1282
01:10:02.399 --> 01:10:04.239
three in two thousand and six. I mentioned those because

1283
01:10:04.560 --> 01:10:07.600
the Santa Claus films are big hits there. He works

1284
01:10:07.640 --> 01:10:11.239
constantly big video game titles such as Mass Effect and

1285
01:10:11.279 --> 01:10:15.000
StarCraft doing that voice over work. He did seven episodes

1286
01:10:15.039 --> 01:10:19.359
of Star Trek Picard in twenty twenty three, and yeah,

1287
01:10:19.399 --> 01:10:22.800
just recently, three episodes of the animated series Invincible from

1288
01:10:23.119 --> 01:10:26.079
that was from twenty one to twenty five, voicing the

1289
01:10:26.159 --> 01:10:30.520
character of Battlebeast. Michael Dorn a little trivia. He's an

1290
01:10:30.560 --> 01:10:33.560
accomplished pilot and the owner of several aircraft, has flown

1291
01:10:33.600 --> 01:10:35.840
with the Blue Angels and the United States Air Force

1292
01:10:35.920 --> 01:10:40.199
Precision Flight Team. Also at a science fiction convention, he

1293
01:10:40.279 --> 01:10:43.279
told the audience that he thinks of Wharf as Hamlet,

1294
01:10:44.079 --> 01:10:46.399
and over the years performing the role of Wharf, his

1295
01:10:46.560 --> 01:10:50.279
voice grew deeper a result of inflecting a base tone

1296
01:10:50.319 --> 01:10:53.920
for his character. He also developed a mild condition for

1297
01:10:54.000 --> 01:10:58.159
his years of wearing his next generation makeup, for which

1298
01:10:58.239 --> 01:11:01.720
the departments use a different type for alien effects. His

1299
01:11:01.920 --> 01:11:05.000
quote would be, when you're on a series, it's tough

1300
01:11:05.000 --> 01:11:08.279
to go on and do something else afterward. If you're smart,

1301
01:11:08.520 --> 01:11:10.479
save your money and you can wait out the bad

1302
01:11:10.520 --> 01:11:13.760
times until something else comes along. Michael Doran is our

1303
01:11:13.920 --> 01:11:15.119
hates that actor this week.

1304
01:11:15.479 --> 01:11:19.119
Yeah, Michael Doran love him as Wharf in the Startler series.

1305
01:11:19.279 --> 01:11:22.479
Multiple Star Trek series has been on outstanding. Well, it's

1306
01:11:22.520 --> 01:11:25.279
amazing because that character is a kling on. He brings

1307
01:11:25.319 --> 01:11:28.039
great humor to it, and I think that's what makes

1308
01:11:28.039 --> 01:11:31.840
the character so endearing to Star Trek fans without question.

1309
01:11:32.399 --> 01:11:35.399
I just finally got around to watching but Card and

1310
01:11:35.960 --> 01:11:40.039
the third season is amazing and he's hilarious as well.

1311
01:11:40.680 --> 01:11:43.560
All right, time move on to facts and trivia. What

1312
01:11:43.640 --> 01:11:46.199
are some facts in trivia? We are actually be able

1313
01:11:46.199 --> 01:11:48.479
to find about Jagged Edge because it was.

1314
01:11:48.640 --> 01:11:52.920
Rough, surprisingly, very little to go on here, but according

1315
01:11:52.960 --> 01:11:56.840
to Wikipedia, there's only one paragraph in the production segment,

1316
01:11:57.479 --> 01:12:03.720
and according to writer Joe Esterhas, the film originated with

1317
01:12:03.920 --> 01:12:08.680
producer Martin Ransohoff, who wanted to make a courtroom drum

1318
01:12:08.680 --> 01:12:10.880
in the vein of Anatomy of a Murder. The film

1319
01:12:10.920 --> 01:12:14.119
was originally written as a vehicle for Jane Fonda, who

1320
01:12:14.159 --> 01:12:17.840
turned down the project. This is according to Eshas that

1321
01:12:18.039 --> 01:12:21.119
producer Ransa Hooff was unimpressed with the casting of Glenn

1322
01:12:21.159 --> 01:12:24.159
Close and tried to make her reshoot a sex scene

1323
01:12:24.199 --> 01:12:26.479
so that he could watch her. I guess sounds a

1324
01:12:26.520 --> 01:12:30.159
little shady, but yeah. According to Joe Estruss and his

1325
01:12:30.159 --> 01:12:34.119
book Hollywood Animal, producer Ranshoff was against the casting of

1326
01:12:34.119 --> 01:12:36.199
Glenn Close, saying she was too ugly for the part.

1327
01:12:36.279 --> 01:12:39.199
Gloss eventually heard about this and said she didn't want

1328
01:12:39.479 --> 01:12:42.079
ransa Hoff on the set during the time she would

1329
01:12:42.079 --> 01:12:45.560
shoot her scenes, and director Richard Markuan stood by her

1330
01:12:45.600 --> 01:12:50.000
side and sent Ransa Hooff away, and infuriated, Ransoff went

1331
01:12:50.000 --> 01:12:53.079
to the studio heads trying to get Close and Markwan

1332
01:12:53.239 --> 01:12:56.079
fired from the picture, but the studio denied the action,

1333
01:12:56.199 --> 01:12:58.960
stating they were pleased with their work in the film.

1334
01:12:59.319 --> 01:13:01.760
Yeah, behind the scene drama with this one.

1335
01:13:01.840 --> 01:13:04.239
And I want to say, I recall seeing an interview

1336
01:13:04.279 --> 01:13:07.920
with Glenn Close kind of talking about that that's tough man,

1337
01:13:08.439 --> 01:13:11.840
because I think she's a beautiful woman and she's such

1338
01:13:11.840 --> 01:13:13.960
a presence and really good in this movie.

1339
01:13:14.199 --> 01:13:15.399
Yeah, I agree.

1340
01:13:15.760 --> 01:13:15.880
So.

1341
01:13:16.159 --> 01:13:21.439
Joe Estrahause originally titled the screenplay Hearts of Fire, and

1342
01:13:21.760 --> 01:13:24.640
Columbia Pictures disliked the title and decided it had to

1343
01:13:24.640 --> 01:13:27.600
be changed. They assign a secretary at the studio to

1344
01:13:27.640 --> 01:13:29.359
go through the script and effort to come up with

1345
01:13:29.439 --> 01:13:33.960
another title. The secretary found Jagged Edge in the descripture

1346
01:13:34.319 --> 01:13:37.439
of the murder weapon and decided that that would be

1347
01:13:37.479 --> 01:13:39.640
a good title for the film, and it stuck.

1348
01:13:40.199 --> 01:13:43.760
Yep. I thought this was interesting. The film Physical Evidence

1349
01:13:43.800 --> 01:13:46.439
from nineteen eighty nine with Burt Reynolds and Teresa Russell

1350
01:13:46.800 --> 01:13:50.920
was originally conceived as the sequel to Jagged Edge, which

1351
01:13:50.960 --> 01:13:53.800
was meant to have Glenn Close and Robert Lojia reprise

1352
01:13:53.880 --> 01:13:57.560
their roles. The story was about a private investigator framed

1353
01:13:57.560 --> 01:14:00.119
for murder and the female lawyer who defends him. The

1354
01:14:00.159 --> 01:14:03.279
project was developed at Columbia Pictures, but then head of

1355
01:14:03.319 --> 01:14:08.279
production Guy Mechlwaine was replaced by David Putnam, who, according

1356
01:14:08.279 --> 01:14:11.119
to producer Martin Ranshoff, said that he did not want

1357
01:14:11.119 --> 01:14:14.840
to make sequels, so Ransohoff decided to turn the script

1358
01:14:14.920 --> 01:14:18.239
into an original story. She became physical evidence.

1359
01:14:18.880 --> 01:14:20.399
Yeah, I have to go back and watch that one.

1360
01:14:20.439 --> 01:14:26.279
I vaguely remember being and urban folklore exists that suggests

1361
01:14:26.439 --> 01:14:29.239
there was an alternate ending that alters the identity of

1362
01:14:29.279 --> 01:14:32.600
the killer. An alternate ending does not exist, but the

1363
01:14:32.640 --> 01:14:36.880
original ending was indeed refilmed is When the initial release

1364
01:14:37.239 --> 01:14:39.359
was out, the audience complained that the face of the

1365
01:14:39.439 --> 01:14:42.399
killer was not clearly shown. In the original release. The

1366
01:14:42.520 --> 01:14:46.560
unmasked killer's face was shown for eighteen frames that's less

1367
01:14:46.600 --> 01:14:50.760
than a second. Another nine seconds was later spliced into

1368
01:14:50.760 --> 01:14:54.680
the corrected version, clearly resolving the mystery and showing the killer.

1369
01:14:55.239 --> 01:14:58.720
Okay, let's move on to box office. So Jagged Edge

1370
01:14:58.760 --> 01:15:01.600
was released on October fourth, nineteen eighty five, and one

1371
01:15:02.399 --> 01:15:02.960
and twenty five.

1372
01:15:02.840 --> 01:15:04.680
Theaters on an estimated budget of.

1373
01:15:04.840 --> 01:15:07.880
Ten million dollars. It would gross forty point five million

1374
01:15:07.920 --> 01:15:10.880
dollars domestically. The movie would debut number two at the

1375
01:15:10.920 --> 01:15:15.840
box office, behind the debut of Commando starring Arn Schwarzenegger.

1376
01:15:15.960 --> 01:15:19.039
Jacket Edge would actually capture the number one spot in

1377
01:15:19.079 --> 01:15:21.760
its fourth week of release. It would only stay in

1378
01:15:21.800 --> 01:15:25.079
the top ten for another six weeks after that. Jacket

1379
01:15:25.159 --> 01:15:28.680
Edge would be the twenty second highest grossing movie released

1380
01:15:28.680 --> 01:15:32.079
in nineteen eighty five, ahead of Commando, which was twenty fifth.

1381
01:15:32.960 --> 01:15:33.880
Moving on to reviews.

1382
01:15:33.880 --> 01:15:35.800
When growing up in the eighties, we would watch at

1383
01:15:35.840 --> 01:15:38.079
the movies with Geen Cisco and Roger Eber to hear

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the reviews and watch clips of upcoming movies. Their review

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of Jacket Edge was unanimous two thumbs up. Gene called

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01:15:45.720 --> 01:15:50.119
the movie both a terrific court drama and a scary thriller.

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Roger really enjoyed the performances of Jeff Bridges, Glenn Close,

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and Peter Coyote. Rotten Tomatoes vis it a Tomatometers score

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of seventy nine percent, with a Pop Coordinator's score of

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fifty nine percent and also has an IMDb rating of

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01:16:05.039 --> 01:16:08.439
six point five. So this would take us to additional

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01:16:08.479 --> 01:16:11.600
thoughts and questions. What are some additional thoughts and questions

1393
01:16:11.680 --> 01:16:13.479
you have about Jagged Edge?

1394
01:16:14.039 --> 01:16:17.239
I had a funny question for you. Yes, have you

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01:16:17.359 --> 01:16:24.119
ever known anyone a male friend, family member, whomever that

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01:16:24.680 --> 01:16:28.720
was named John or Jack, and that that name was

1397
01:16:28.880 --> 01:16:32.800
just interchangeable at times. People would call them by either

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01:16:33.439 --> 01:16:37.159
John or Jack. It's done in this film because the

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01:16:37.239 --> 01:16:40.039
lead is Jeff Bridges. His character's name is Jack Forrester,

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01:16:40.119 --> 01:16:43.720
but they call him John once or twice throughout, and

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01:16:43.760 --> 01:16:45.760
that was a common thing back in the day. The

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01:16:45.840 --> 01:16:49.159
first time I've ever heard of that those names being

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01:16:49.239 --> 01:16:54.279
interchangeable was with President Kennedy. People you know John Kennedy,

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01:16:54.399 --> 01:16:56.399
John F. Kennedy. You would hear them, you know, he

1405
01:16:56.520 --> 01:16:59.279
was like nicknamed Jacket. Sometimes people just call hi Jack Kennedy.

1406
01:16:59.319 --> 01:17:01.520
That Jack is nickname for John in a way, does

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01:17:01.520 --> 01:17:04.279
that make sense? Have you ever known anyone personally? What

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01:17:04.439 --> 01:17:06.399
do you call them? Okay? Cool?

1409
01:17:06.800 --> 01:17:08.640
Most of the time called him Jack, but I would

1410
01:17:08.680 --> 01:17:09.880
hear a cult both ways.

1411
01:17:10.079 --> 01:17:14.119
I wonder where that originated. I don't know. Whatever works.

1412
01:17:14.720 --> 01:17:17.560
So at the conclusion of the movie, when we find

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01:17:17.560 --> 01:17:22.960
out that Jack killed or John killed his wife. This

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01:17:23.039 --> 01:17:25.279
made this scene earlier in the movie not make a

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01:17:25.279 --> 01:17:28.479
lot of sense to me, is when Jack dumps his

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01:17:28.520 --> 01:17:32.840
wife's ashes into the ocean and then drops the roses.

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01:17:33.439 --> 01:17:35.279
I had comment on that as well. Who's going to

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01:17:35.319 --> 01:17:35.640
see that?

1419
01:17:36.279 --> 01:17:40.640
And you just brutally murdered your wife, So why I

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01:17:40.680 --> 01:17:43.000
go through all the pomp and circumstances to do that?

1421
01:17:43.680 --> 01:17:45.760
Like I could see if he was with family members,

1422
01:17:47.000 --> 01:17:50.079
but it's pretty much established he's alone on the boat

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01:17:50.359 --> 01:17:51.079
thousand percent.

1424
01:17:51.479 --> 01:17:55.039
I went back and saw the scene again, beautiful, beautifully

1425
01:17:55.039 --> 01:17:58.159
shot out there on the bat with that golden gate

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01:17:58.199 --> 01:18:01.359
and the fog in the background. It's donning. But I

1427
01:18:01.439 --> 01:18:04.800
also said, okay, so wait a minute. We know he's

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01:18:04.840 --> 01:18:08.680
the killer. So he's a monster. He's a psychopath and

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01:18:09.520 --> 01:18:15.359
a vicious killer. So this though, that particular scene portrays

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01:18:15.439 --> 01:18:19.239
him as a someone that actually cared about his wife,

1431
01:18:19.439 --> 01:18:24.000
and that doesn't track because he's by himself. So I

1432
01:18:24.039 --> 01:18:27.359
was like, wow, this scene is clearly just for the audience.

1433
01:18:27.680 --> 01:18:29.720
Right, don't just trying to manipulate us.

1434
01:18:30.000 --> 01:18:33.640
It's manipulating the audience, and that is all making us

1435
01:18:33.920 --> 01:18:36.960
feel like, oh he no way, he wouldn't have murdered

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01:18:36.960 --> 01:18:40.399
his wife. Look how he's being so sensitive and careful

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01:18:40.399 --> 01:18:43.439
about dropping her ashes into the bay and then throwing

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01:18:43.479 --> 01:18:45.399
the roses onto the water on top of that, It

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01:18:45.479 --> 01:18:49.279
was like, okay, there's he's he really cared for her

1440
01:18:49.319 --> 01:18:52.600
and misses her and is grieving now. But now then,

1441
01:18:52.640 --> 01:18:54.319
when you look back after the end, you're like, that

1442
01:18:54.359 --> 01:18:57.359
doesn't No, that doesn't make sense. He would would have

1443
01:18:57.359 --> 01:19:02.680
done that, and I liked that. I didn't like that.

1444
01:19:03.359 --> 01:19:03.840
I didn't.

1445
01:19:04.680 --> 01:19:09.039
I didn't. I doesn't track it doesn't know. Speaking of

1446
01:19:09.079 --> 01:19:12.119
like questions you have regarding this particular case and the

1447
01:19:12.159 --> 01:19:17.359
events that happened within the murder and things unfolded clues

1448
01:19:18.039 --> 01:19:21.800
the notes specifically, let's imagine an alternate version where Teddy

1449
01:19:22.000 --> 01:19:28.000
doesn't find the typewriter. Do they ever try to track

1450
01:19:28.079 --> 01:19:32.119
down the covert informant who sent those notes? Would they care?

1451
01:19:32.399 --> 01:19:35.079
I don't think they kind of like, then you just

1452
01:19:35.159 --> 01:19:38.760
leave it alone, like somebody, some rando out there just

1453
01:19:38.840 --> 01:19:42.960
sent these notes in that somehow knew about the woman

1454
01:19:43.000 --> 01:19:45.479
that had been previously attacked by this killer, and things

1455
01:19:45.520 --> 01:19:48.680
like that. This movie got my wheels turning about the

1456
01:19:48.760 --> 01:19:51.279
legality of some of this and what would be then

1457
01:19:51.399 --> 01:19:56.359
pursued afterwards the case just overshut closed. What do we

1458
01:19:56.399 --> 01:19:59.199
do about Consuela's murder? All that stuff? I don't know.

1459
01:19:59.600 --> 01:20:02.520
Yeah, I would always want to know, but I don't

1460
01:20:02.560 --> 01:20:07.319
know how much I would pursue it because you got

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01:20:07.319 --> 01:20:09.760
the result you want it, so you're happy about that.

1462
01:20:09.840 --> 01:20:11.319
But I think it would always be back in the

1463
01:20:11.359 --> 01:20:13.560
back of my mind, like who how did I get

1464
01:20:13.560 --> 01:20:15.399
this stuff? But how would I track it down?

1465
01:20:15.560 --> 01:20:19.119
Yeah, that there is this person out there that knew

1466
01:20:19.760 --> 01:20:23.680
that Jack Forrester was innocent, And it doesn't mean that

1467
01:20:23.760 --> 01:20:27.680
particular informant was involved in the murder in any way.

1468
01:20:27.960 --> 01:20:33.880
They just happened to be a silent fan of Jack's trying.

1469
01:20:33.640 --> 01:20:36.840
To help him anyway, all right, But I do like

1470
01:20:36.880 --> 01:20:40.359
that scene when they find out about the other attempt

1471
01:20:40.399 --> 01:20:45.239
at murder and Crancy's all pissed and basically admits that

1472
01:20:45.319 --> 01:20:47.880
he pulled the case so no one could find out

1473
01:20:47.920 --> 01:20:50.159
about it. And I'm just like, you can't do that.

1474
01:20:50.199 --> 01:20:50.880
You sign up a bitch.

1475
01:20:51.319 --> 01:20:54.399
Mm hmm. That was cool. That just leads into my

1476
01:20:54.479 --> 01:20:57.279
think because when all the information is when Teddy reveals

1477
01:20:57.880 --> 01:21:01.720
the corruption to the reporters at the end of the

1478
01:21:01.760 --> 01:21:06.359
previous Harry's almost Henry styles case, like she does burn

1479
01:21:06.399 --> 01:21:07.960
it down. Like what do you think happens after this?

1480
01:21:08.279 --> 01:21:10.439
Like they all lose their jobs, right.

1481
01:21:10.800 --> 01:21:12.800
Correct, Well, yeah, they all lose their license.

1482
01:21:13.560 --> 01:21:16.880
Yeah, they have to Disbard. Yeah, okay.

1483
01:21:16.920 --> 01:21:22.479
So during the At the Movies review, Roger Ebert suggests

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it that the audience should never have seen the killer's

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01:21:26.000 --> 01:21:28.319
face and then leave it up to the audience to

1486
01:21:28.399 --> 01:21:31.479
decide who the killer was. Would that have worked for you?

1487
01:21:31.920 --> 01:21:35.119
I don't think so. We gotta know that sounds like

1488
01:21:35.159 --> 01:21:37.680
that would be the end, like the foreign film version

1489
01:21:37.720 --> 01:21:41.359
of this, like it just like a real artistic choice

1490
01:21:41.439 --> 01:21:44.600
at the end, like we're gonna leave it ambiguous or

1491
01:21:44.680 --> 01:21:47.039
you just have to come up with your own interpretation.

1492
01:21:47.560 --> 01:21:51.000
I'm not a fan of that personally. If you don't

1493
01:21:51.000 --> 01:21:53.000
see the killer's face and you just see the reaction

1494
01:21:53.079 --> 01:21:56.279
of Loja and Glenn close looking at the killer, that

1495
01:21:56.399 --> 01:21:59.680
might give it away, then that's interesting. I would like

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01:21:59.680 --> 01:22:02.039
to see it. I would watch it and then maybe

1497
01:22:02.119 --> 01:22:06.319
make a determination, have a stronger opinion. But no, I vote.

1498
01:22:06.319 --> 01:22:07.760
I guess I want to see the killer's face.

1499
01:22:08.239 --> 01:22:12.920
When they did the review, it was the eighteen frame version, right,

1500
01:22:12.960 --> 01:22:14.840
I did read it. You really couldn't tell, And there

1501
01:22:14.840 --> 01:22:17.520
were so many people that were writing in like, well,

1502
01:22:17.560 --> 01:22:19.640
who did do it? They couldn't tell because it was

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01:22:19.680 --> 01:22:22.640
so fast, and I think they spoiled it. On a

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01:22:22.720 --> 01:22:24.840
future episode. I didn't watch it to see it, but

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01:22:24.920 --> 01:22:27.119
I just read that they did that. But I did

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01:22:27.199 --> 01:22:29.439
think it was funny that Roger brought that up from

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01:22:29.479 --> 01:22:30.000
the get go.

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01:22:30.479 --> 01:22:33.239
I need to know too, the whole film is leading

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01:22:33.319 --> 01:22:36.159
up to that point. That's the culmination. I mean, it's

1510
01:22:36.159 --> 01:22:38.279
like presumed innocence. It's the same thing. Can you imagine

1511
01:22:38.399 --> 01:22:41.920
not ever knowing what really right? The real killer is

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01:22:43.359 --> 01:22:47.279
I'd want my money back. Well, all right, Bill Bant, Okay,

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01:22:47.399 --> 01:22:50.159
got to ask. Then let's go over it. Best courtroom

1514
01:22:50.239 --> 01:22:54.159
drama slash legal thrillers from the eighties. Just give me

1515
01:22:54.199 --> 01:22:57.119
your opinion, don't there's a lot? Okay, Yeah, I'm sticking

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01:22:57.119 --> 01:23:03.319
to the eighties. The accused Kelly McGillis m Jody Foster,

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01:23:03.760 --> 01:23:10.399
Thank You. Suspect was Share Legal Eagles rip guy Robert Redford,

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01:23:10.760 --> 01:23:15.119
The Verdict mister Paul Newman from the Hip the Star

1519
01:23:15.319 --> 01:23:19.239
Chamber with Michael Douglas. Breaker Morant hadn't heard of this one.

1520
01:23:19.239 --> 01:23:21.439
It's an Australian film, but it's on all the lists.

1521
01:23:21.840 --> 01:23:24.840
Whose life is it? Anyway? I have a personal connection

1522
01:23:24.960 --> 01:23:27.439
to that, which is also a play at the University

1523
01:23:27.479 --> 01:23:32.159
of Miami. I was actually barred from the Ring Theater

1524
01:23:32.199 --> 01:23:35.279
as a result of my participation or lack thereof. How

1525
01:23:35.279 --> 01:23:38.479
about a Soldier's Story, Oh yeah, we were just talking

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01:23:38.479 --> 01:23:40.800
about that one, of course, Bill Bant. You know, we

1527
01:23:40.840 --> 01:23:44.319
posted that A Cry in the Dark Meryl Streep the

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01:23:44.399 --> 01:23:49.159
ding go to My True Believer with James Woods, and

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01:23:49.199 --> 01:23:52.399
then even though it doesn't count, it just misses the cut.

1530
01:23:52.560 --> 01:23:56.239
There is Presumed Innocent, which is in nineteen ninety and

1531
01:23:56.319 --> 01:23:59.640
so same kind of fed off of the eighties courtroom

1532
01:24:00.399 --> 01:24:01.399
films in their style.

1533
01:24:01.720 --> 01:24:05.159
I think I'm gonna have to go with the Verdict.

1534
01:24:06.079 --> 01:24:06.560
Mm hmmm.

1535
01:24:06.880 --> 01:24:10.840
I think the big surprise. I just watched it recently

1536
01:24:11.000 --> 01:24:13.239
because I saw it was on streaming. I don't know

1537
01:24:13.239 --> 01:24:16.560
if it still is from the hip with Judd Nelson. Yeah,

1538
01:24:16.760 --> 01:24:18.960
Like the first half of it is almost a comedy,

1539
01:24:19.079 --> 01:24:22.079
and the second half gets super serious and like, holy crap,

1540
01:24:22.119 --> 01:24:24.720
this is the same movie. That One's kind of interesting.

1541
01:24:25.079 --> 01:24:26.479
I have not seen Breaker Morant.

1542
01:24:26.920 --> 01:24:28.560
I haven't seen a lot of these. I'm ashamed to

1543
01:24:28.600 --> 01:24:31.319
admit I've never seen the Verdict. That's probably no surprise

1544
01:24:31.359 --> 01:24:34.199
to anyone, but that is a that's a big one.

1545
01:24:35.079 --> 01:24:37.239
I think a lot of people would probably choose just

1546
01:24:37.279 --> 01:24:39.800
from what I've heard and I've heard podcasts about etc.

1547
01:24:40.319 --> 01:24:43.880
Legal legals. I remember seeing and thinking it was just okay, right.

1548
01:24:43.880 --> 01:24:46.239
Yeah, because I think that was like Ivan Reightman's first

1549
01:24:46.399 --> 01:24:49.640
movie that didn't knock it out of the park. But

1550
01:24:49.640 --> 01:24:52.159
I always love the Rod Stewart song from it, which

1551
01:24:52.359 --> 01:24:55.319
Rod Stewart doesn't even like, Love Touch awesome.

1552
01:24:55.600 --> 01:24:57.760
Did Jody Foster win? She won for the Accused? Does

1553
01:24:57.800 --> 01:24:58.680
she win Best Actress?

1554
01:24:59.279 --> 01:25:02.760
Trying to definitely nominate it? Yeah, maybe she won for that?

1555
01:25:02.800 --> 01:25:05.359
And then on the Silence of the Lambs that's the one.

1556
01:25:05.239 --> 01:25:09.720
Too, Yes she did, she won for the accust Okay,

1557
01:25:09.720 --> 01:25:12.479
well that's all I got for additional thoughts and questions.

1558
01:25:12.760 --> 01:25:15.640
All right, let's move on to our rating. So, on

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01:25:15.760 --> 01:25:19.199
a scale of one to five, hunting knives, would you

1560
01:25:19.279 --> 01:25:20.840
give Jagged Edge?

1561
01:25:21.359 --> 01:25:23.399
I'm gonna get a strong three point five, a three

1562
01:25:23.439 --> 01:25:26.239
and a half hunting knives. Chop one of those knives

1563
01:25:26.239 --> 01:25:29.399
in half, put it against three other knives three and

1564
01:25:29.439 --> 01:25:33.680
a half. So yeah, I enjoyed this. I remembered liking

1565
01:25:33.680 --> 01:25:37.640
it so watching it again. Just love the cast, love

1566
01:25:37.680 --> 01:25:40.720
the chemistry between the actors. I think there's some real

1567
01:25:40.920 --> 01:25:45.199
smart framework here. The framing of this, how it's laid out,

1568
01:25:45.399 --> 01:25:49.359
the courtroom, the flipping of the witnesses, and the you

1569
01:25:49.399 --> 01:25:52.840
know that pendulum swing. Who's who's going to be caught

1570
01:25:52.880 --> 01:25:54.720
up in this and who is the real killer, the

1571
01:25:54.760 --> 01:25:57.399
who done it of it all and just watching you know,

1572
01:25:57.520 --> 01:25:59.680
it is a film that we've just mentioned a couple times.

1573
01:25:59.680 --> 01:26:03.199
It's fun to then think about afterwards and play it back,

1574
01:26:03.439 --> 01:26:05.760
you know, play the tape back. You go, oh, okay,

1575
01:26:05.800 --> 01:26:07.680
if he is the killer, then he must have done

1576
01:26:07.680 --> 01:26:11.119
this that and the other thing. Wow, that's manipulation and calculation,

1577
01:26:11.199 --> 01:26:13.640
and that's kind of interesting to put it all together

1578
01:26:13.720 --> 01:26:16.920
that way. Robert Loja stand out for me. Always fun

1579
01:26:16.960 --> 01:26:20.239
to see him at deserving of the Academy Award nomination.

1580
01:26:21.000 --> 01:26:25.560
And yeah, as far as legal thrillers, I enjoyed it.

1581
01:26:25.680 --> 01:26:27.760
I didn't think it was great. I think you know,

1582
01:26:27.800 --> 01:26:30.359
we didn't owe and complain. We didn't talk about the ending,

1583
01:26:30.680 --> 01:26:32.479
did we did we not? We didn't get into the

1584
01:26:32.600 --> 01:26:39.720
complaints about the ending. No, I did. Okay, all right, sorry, yeah, yeah,

1585
01:26:39.760 --> 01:26:43.760
So it's it is flawed in moments. I would appreciated

1586
01:26:43.800 --> 01:26:47.439
more relationship development at the beginning to buy into the

1587
01:26:47.479 --> 01:26:51.359
fact that this smart professional woman and Teddy Barnes would

1588
01:26:51.399 --> 01:26:54.800
fall so quickly for Jack Forrester. But credit to Jeff

1589
01:26:54.840 --> 01:26:58.439
Bridges and his charm and his characters charm, I should

1590
01:26:58.439 --> 01:27:01.000
say so. Yeah, I think three and a half is

1591
01:27:01.399 --> 01:27:04.079
right where it belongs in the rating system here for me.

1592
01:27:04.239 --> 01:27:06.880
So now I don't have anything else to say. It

1593
01:27:06.920 --> 01:27:10.520
was fun, it was good, not great. I put it.

1594
01:27:10.760 --> 01:27:14.359
This is how I phrased it. It's a level above serviceable.

1595
01:27:14.800 --> 01:27:17.720
At first I was not fair to it, saying in

1596
01:27:17.760 --> 01:27:21.399
my notes, this is a serviceable legal thriller, but it's

1597
01:27:21.439 --> 01:27:23.800
a step above that. It's a little better than that.

1598
01:27:23.800 --> 01:27:25.920
That's where I fall on this. Gotcha.

1599
01:27:27.119 --> 01:27:30.760
Yeah, I give it a strong three. I really enjoyed

1600
01:27:30.800 --> 01:27:34.359
the performances in this, but the ending I did not

1601
01:27:34.439 --> 01:27:37.479
care for it at all. And I don't know, there's

1602
01:27:37.520 --> 01:27:38.880
just a lot of holes in the story. I'm like,

1603
01:27:38.920 --> 01:27:42.199
would this ever really go to trial? I don't think

1604
01:27:42.199 --> 01:27:45.520
it ever would have, So you gotta it's just some

1605
01:27:45.560 --> 01:27:49.199
story elements I don't like that. I just don't think works.

1606
01:27:49.840 --> 01:27:54.159
So everything rests on the performances of Glenn Close and

1607
01:27:54.199 --> 01:27:57.680
Jet Bridges, and I do think they certainly take you

1608
01:27:57.720 --> 01:27:59.720
through the movie and then do it well. And Robert

1609
01:27:59.760 --> 01:28:04.560
Lowe show with his appearances throughout work another movie. Just

1610
01:28:04.640 --> 01:28:08.359
fun to see a lot of actors that we haven't

1611
01:28:08.359 --> 01:28:12.039
seen in a while. Oh yeah, Dar's father from The

1612
01:28:12.039 --> 01:28:15.520
Beast Master appears in this, which was hilarious because I'm like,

1613
01:28:15.920 --> 01:28:17.960
you know, we were talking about The Beast Master and

1614
01:28:18.000 --> 01:28:20.000
I was like, I don't remember seeing this guy anything else,

1615
01:28:20.039 --> 01:28:23.479
and then bang, there he is in Jagged Edge.

1616
01:28:23.520 --> 01:28:26.520
So who did he play where? So he was the.

1617
01:28:26.399 --> 01:28:30.319
Guy in the very beginning when they're all talking in

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01:28:30.840 --> 01:28:34.880
Crancy's office. I think he's the one that says that

1619
01:28:34.960 --> 01:28:38.359
the weapon was Jagged Edge and then how could he

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01:28:38.479 --> 01:28:40.680
do something like that to his wife?

1621
01:28:40.760 --> 01:28:44.960
Oh yeah, yeah, that's right in the beginning. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, God,

1622
01:28:45.079 --> 01:28:47.239
that's cool. Okay, I can see that now, that's cool.

1623
01:28:47.279 --> 01:28:50.119
Yeah, that was kind of funny. I would recommend it.

1624
01:28:50.600 --> 01:28:53.159
Watch it just for Glenn Close and Jeff Bridge's loan

1625
01:28:53.239 --> 01:28:57.279
and even Robert Loja. But yeah, just just realize you're

1626
01:28:57.319 --> 01:29:00.640
not gonna like the ending, and there's some we story

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01:29:00.680 --> 01:29:01.439
elements throughout.

1628
01:29:01.880 --> 01:29:04.640
Yeah, I agree, I mean the ending of the part. Yeah,

1629
01:29:04.680 --> 01:29:06.760
I just say a lot of holes with that ending.

1630
01:29:07.359 --> 01:29:08.520
Yeah.

1631
01:29:09.079 --> 01:29:12.000
Okay, so that just about does it for this week's episode.

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01:29:15.239 --> 01:29:17.880
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01:29:17.880 --> 01:29:20.720
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01:29:20.840 --> 01:29:23.159
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01:29:23.479 --> 01:29:27.079
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01:29:27.079 --> 01:29:29.680
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01:29:29.800 --> 01:29:33.159
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01:29:33.359 --> 01:29:38.199
decade ever in nineteen eighties. Till then, stay cool, stay retro.

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01:29:38.680 --> 01:29:40.760
Have an excellent day everyone.

1641
01:29:40.920 --> 01:29:43.520
You still think I'm guilty? How can you defend me?

1642
01:29:43.520 --> 01:29:44.479
If you think I'm guilty?

1643
01:29:45.000 --> 01:29:46.079
It happens all the time.

1644
01:29:47.399 --> 01:29:50.439
That's the way our legal system works. Thanks for staying

1645
01:29:50.520 --> 01:29:52.319
up with us. Goodnight world.

1646
01:30:00.119 --> 01:30:11.079
Yeah. Jagged Eds was released on October Little let

1647
01:30:13.159 --> 01:30:13.560
Mm hmm