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Hello, and welcome to the All Eighties Movies podcast.
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The podcast where we talk about the blockbusters, the flops,
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and everything in between. From one of the freshest Decades
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from Movies the nineteen eighties. I'm your host Bill Bant and along
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of me on this journey revisiting eighties movies is my
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co host Jason Masek.
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Hello, Jason! "Courage of the Heart is very rare. The
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stone has a power when it's there."
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That's right, listeners, we are discussing with Spoils of plenty.
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The nineteen eighty two animated movie The Secret of Nim.
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It was produced by United Artists and Don Bluth Productions
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and distributed by mgm UA Communications. The movie stars the
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voice talents of Elizabeth Hartman, Peter Strauss, and Don Delaize.
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Written directed by Don Bluth, this movie is rated G
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with a running time of one hour and twenty two minutes.
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It was based on the children's novel Missus Frisbee and
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the Rats of Nim by Robert C. O'Brien. So what
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is this movie about? What's on the box? If you
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grew up in the nineteen eighties and went to your
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local video store to rent this movie, you would find
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this description on the back of the VHS box. It
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is what's on the box, take Away, Jason.
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The Secret of Nim marks a spectacular return to the
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classic Disney style of animation. The story revolves around a
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certain Missus Brisbee, a widow mouse with four little mice
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who live underground in a field. Every year at springtime,
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the family are forced to leave their home when the
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field is plowed. This year, however, one of the little
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mice is too sick to be moved, and Missus Brisbee
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must find a way to save the family from the
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imminent plow forces. She sets off to enlist help and
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is joined by a crackpot crow with a heart of gold,
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a pompous true and a great wise owl. They alone
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are powerless until they meet a race of intelligent super
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rats who are party to the sinister Secret of Nim.
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The Secret of Nim is a rare film in which
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the cartoon characters really capture the imagination, particularly Jeremy the Crow,
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an inspired invention The Secret of Nim.
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Secret of Nim Jason our first animated movie.
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Here we go. I know, I thought the same thing.
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I was like, we haven't gone into this foray yet,
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but yeah, looking forward to it. Man, all right, so
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that was what's on the box?
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And Jason, do you remember the first time you saw
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the Secret of Nim Nope, this is gonna be quick. I, however,
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do know that I saw it.
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I can feel it in my gut. Bill Bant. I
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was only eight when this was released, and the plot
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of this movie escaped me completely. I know I saw it,
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though I haven't seen it since I was a child,
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and I only recall it being an acclaimed animated film.
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That's all I got. What about you? Do you remember seeing.
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This pretty sure? I saw it on HBO. Definitely not
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in theater. Definitely do not rent this. This was a
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cable watch and I don't think I watched it very
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many times. So this was a long time coming to
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revisit this. And I know it took a long time
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to come up with animated movies because let's be honest,
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animated movies in the eighties were not the greatest per se.
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I mean, everyone probably has one or two they really
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do like, but I think overall, compared to where we
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are now with animation, the eighties were kind of.
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A dip, no question.
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So let's talk about the movie. What are our impressions
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secreted in.
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Yeah, I'm looking forward to this Bill because this was
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fun just watching a solid animated film, Don Bluth's animated
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feature film directorial debut, head of Don Bluth Productions. I
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looked at his filmography. Man, this guy. You know once
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he broke away from Disney, which we may talk about
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in fun Facts and Trivia. He directed an American tale,
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The Land Before Time, All Dogs Go to Heaven. These
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are big animated films from the eighties, some of the
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better films like it, and I agree with you Bill
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Bant that there wasn't a lot to pick from, but
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his films are good. And then after the eighties you
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have Thumbelina Anastasia. One of my cult favorites is titan Ae.
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I've watched that several times and I forgot that Don
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Bluth had done that one. And then listen to this
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Bill Bent. I was looking at his filmography on Wikipedia
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and at the very bottom it says Dragon's Lair. The
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movie is to be announced.
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They've been talking about it for a long time. I
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think there was a one of those fundraiser campaigns to
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get it started Kickstarter a year or two back. I
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don't know where it went. So I don't know if
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that's happened or not. I would love for that to happen.
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How cool would that be? All right?
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Oh, I'd certainly be the theater to watch that one.
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Yeah, for sure, for sure. So this being his directorial debut,
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and if I'm not mistaken in the research, he feels
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that this is his favorite film still to this day.
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I get why. Talking about the tone of this, I
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like this style of animation, this darkness, this mystery. I'm sucker,
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as you well know, for good lore. I like the
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cool mysterious locations discovered along the Heroine's journey and this film,
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we obviously have all the archetypes present in this. We
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have the heroine or hero, the Chosen One and Missus Brisbee.
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We've got the hero's journey. We have our sidekick slash
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Jester and Jeremy the Crow voiced by the Great Dom Delawies.
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We have the wise Old Man with mister Ages, the
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Wizard slash Sorcerer, Nicodemus, the Shadow Figure or in Genner.
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There's an amulet key or with powers. There's the Promised Land,
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which is supposedly either the Lee of the Stone or
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Thorn valley for the rats. It's got all of those elements,
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which I'm very attracted to, so I definitely enjoyed the tone,
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the look, and the feel of this overall. I mentioned
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some of the cool names there of some of the characters.
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Nicodemus first of all Greek origin, meaning victory of the
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people kind known as a spiritual, biblical, or intellectual leader
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or truth seeker. Great name, Nicodemus, really cool name. I agree,
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that is a good name. Dragon the cat. Would you
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ever name your cat? Dragon? That's pretty sinister? That was interesting.
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Jenner was kind of a cool name for our bad
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guy or antagonist in this film. Mister Ages for the
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wise old mouse who is like part time primary care
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physician and part time mechanic I guess or alchemist. That
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was cool. Missus Brisbee is great. We'll talk about her
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name later, our heroin protagonist. Well, you know what I
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noted too, is we never learn her first name. No,
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we do not. No, I'm stepping on my trivia right now.
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Because missus Brisbee doesn't have a given name. Fans have
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nicknamed her Elizabeth in loving memory of her voice actress
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Elizabeth Hartman, who passed after this. And yeah, until that
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character had no on screen first name. She was only
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revered as Missus Jonathan Brisbee. Also the name just Nim
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in the title Folks by the way, all caps because
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it's an acronym for National Institute of Mental Health. And
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these are things I had completely forgotten about. Of course,
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same here, and I'm like, wow, this is weird but cool.
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What does the National Institute of Mental Health have anything
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to do with this movie? So I enjoyed the mystery
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of that and the names. There's some creativity and it's
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fun that there's some really simple names in here too,
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like obviously Jeremy the Crow, and then you have the
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kids like Martin and Tim and Cynthia. So anyway, great
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great characters, great voice actors in this. I do love
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the animation in this because I will always have an
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attachment to this style. It is a bit of a
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throwback to, like it says in the What's on the
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Box synopsis, throwback to that classic Disney style. Bluth specifically
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wanted to bring that style back for this. You mentioned
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some of the voice actors were justked about. Elizabeth Hartman
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as Missus Brisbee, Derek Jacobe as Nicodemus, Arthur Mallett as
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mister Ages. We talked about Tom Delawiz. I mean, he's wonderful,
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a lot of fun, and that's just to name a few.
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But Shannon Doherty does a voice in this I couldn't
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believe that I had no as Teresa, the middle child
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of missus Brisbee's. And then guess who else? Will Wheaton
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will shocked at that too, his feature debut as well
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as Doherty's, and he does the voice of Martin, the
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eldest son of Missus Brisbee. All these characters being the
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mice starring in this film, So yeah, pretty cool. Got
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to give a shout out to the film composer, the
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one and only, Jerry Goldsmith. Do you love the music
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in this bill? Yes? I did.
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And there's a little hint of Poltergeist in there.
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Wow, nice nice call. I don't know if I picked
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up on that.
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Yeah, there's a I'm trying to think, what's scene that
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really stood out? I'm like, oh, yeah, that sounds very poultery.
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It might have been when they went in the rats Layer. Sure,
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I think I heard a little bit of it. Now
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that you say that, I can kind of hear it.
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But yeah, Jerry Goldsmith, you know growing up being a
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fan of film composers and orchestral soundtracks. Of course I
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always called them the three J's right, the big three.
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Jerry Goldsmith, James Horner, and John Williams seemed to be
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the ones I was always listening to, so always been
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a Goldsmith fan. Of course, James Newton Howard would get
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on that list for me later on, with Danny Elfmanhn Zimmer,
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Michael Caman, et cetera, et cetera. Those were my eighties
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film composers. Jerry Goldsmith was definitely up there on the
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list for me. So I loved the soundtrack, and this
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happened to be his animated feature debut, the first animated
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feature he'd ever done. So yeah, I enjoyed this film,
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Bill Band. It's definitely of a time. This is just
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kind of weird and wild.
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So I'm twenty five minutes into the film and I'm
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totally engaged and I find it fun, but I admit
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that there's a part of me questioning where's this going.
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were almost a half an hour in and I wasn't
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sure what direction it was going in. I was wondering
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about the pacing of the story. I don't know if
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you had any feeling about that. I'm going to about
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to get into a little more of my issues with that,
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but didn't know if you were feeling that at all.
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I think mine was more of who is this movie
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made for?
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And I think of the opening scene when we have
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Nicodemus and he's talking the cold open, right, and he's
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writing into the journal the story of cool Jonathan Brisbee.
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It is a cool scene, but I'm thinking, if I'm
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eight years old and I'm watching this, I'm not really
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paying attention to what Nicodemus is talking about. So this
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whole cold open has gone over my head. So I
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have no idea what is going on. And luckily because
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every time I watch movies for this podcast, I always
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make sure I do close captioning so I see what's happening.
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kind of half listening, but then when I was watching
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what was being said, I'm like, oh, I really need
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to pay attention to this, right. And there's a lot
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of dark moments in this m h A lot of
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scary stuff for young children, no question, so older children,
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I think they might turned off because it's like a
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movie about mice. I don't want to watch a movie
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about mice. Pretty significant mouse in the cartoon world already,
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so why do I need to watch something else for mice?
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And then you have to make them engaging enough for
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adults because they want to pay attention to what's going on.
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They're the ones that are bringing their kids to watch
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this movie. It almost feels like it's more for them.
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It has that those kids we went to film school
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with you had a like secret to him to be
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cool in the film world.
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Sure, right, That's what it felt like. This movie was
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four interesting.
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I did enjoy the movie, though, I mean I watched
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this a ton the last couple couple of days. I
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listened to it more than I watched it, which is
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surbrise's because it's animation. But my overall thing was like,
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who was this movie really made for? Because Adam Maners
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left Disney to start another studio and this is their
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first effort, right, so you got to hit it out
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of the park or else you're in trouble. And I'm
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surprised too. I've never seen this book. Missus Frisbee and
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the Rats of nim never heard of it. Yeah, I
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never heard of it either, And I think even with kids,
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you would think I would still see it at the bookstore.
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Maybe I've seen adaptations of the Secret of Nim, but
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never anything that said Missus Frisbee and the Rats of Nim.
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I've never come across it or even heard of it,
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which was a surprise.
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So this is ballsy to do this, But I did
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enjoy it. It's just how were you getting the people
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to get in the theater to watch this movie? Even
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if you look at Disney films, there's all those dark moments.
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There are dark moments, and a lot of Disney's you know, right,
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someone's always losing a parent or something. But this one
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has a lot more dark moments than you would typically
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think for a children's film. When you're looking at the characters.
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This movie seems like it's supposed to be for six
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to ten year olds because it's supposed to be cute
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little mice, but it's really not. So would ten to
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fourteen year olds be interested in this?
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I don't know. You make all great points. That's some
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great commentary built because and I agree wholeheartedly, the rescuers
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had come out in seventy seven I Believe, which was, Yeah,
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that's one of my favorites. Yeah, that's a classic. And
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so this is a real risk doing another Mice movie, right,
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and this is an issue for those when they were
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trying to make the movie and get it sold, you know,
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So that makes sense. I totally agree with you with
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the cold Open. I had to watch the cold Open
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three or four times to make sure I knew what
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Nicodemus was saying, because I did not have the clothes
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catching on. And you're right. It's like, well, maybe this
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movie's made for me because I love that lore stuff.
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But you're absolutely right. You would think the core target
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demographic would be those kids, the little you know, the
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young kids from six to ten, eight to ten, what
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have you. And the movie in that cold open starts
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with basically a death. Nicodemus is talking about the death
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of jonasthan Grisbye. That's a really dark way to start,
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and it has some cool animation with him using like
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that fountain pen, that magical pen writing in his journal
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book and you're trying to read the writing that's on there,
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and it's a little ahead of the dialogue or behind
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the dialogue. I couldn't tell, but it's not the easiest
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to follow, so I did have to go back and
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make sure. Oh okay, so it's been four years since
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they left NIM and Jonathan Grisby passed away at the
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hands of dragging the cat, you know, and it's like, okay,
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cool opening, but not necessarily easy to follow. So that's
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a great point. This was a yeah, you're right, a
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big risk to go in this direction for your first
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feature out of the box after departing Disney.
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Not the easiest sell here, But yeah, I think this
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story to me seem pretty basic because it's that and
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you've talked about the heroes journey and stuff like that,
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and what a parent will do for their child. That
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really resonated with me. Missus Brisbe steps out of a
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band so many times, having to do things to make
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sure she's going to be able to save her son Timmy.
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You know, to go see the great owl when you're
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the primary food group for that owl, right, that's gutsy.
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That's gutsy. And then the plow starting and then trying
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to jump in and shout it off, that's gutsy. Going
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to see the rats kind of your enemy, that's gutsy,
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So I did like that house. She always had to
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step out of her element because she's doing this for
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her child.
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One thousand percent. And I appreciate your perspective as a
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parent because I am not a parent. I do not
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have kids, so I don't look through those glasses when
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I see it. I mean, I knew that's what she
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was doing, but that it's not necessarily what impacts me
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the most. It did work, and it shows how much
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heart she has and thus is able to use the
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amulet at the end. And speaking of the amulet, you
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had a question about the amulet before we got online
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to record this episode. And my issue or issues with
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this movie, I should say, this film left me with
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a lot of questions that mostly revolve around the magical
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and fantastical aspects. I'm with you on this. So I
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just wrote these questions and you can answer, you can
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cut me off whatever, or we talk about it at
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the end. But I just wrote these and I'll just
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spit them out. And so Nicodemus had some kind of
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supernatural powers as a result of the lab testing at
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NIM because it didn't seem as though the other rats
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had either magical or supernatural powers. He's a wizard type.
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And then did he use his power to make the
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amulet powerful? Because the amulet itself has supernatural qualities? Was
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he doing that in the very beginning when he puts
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the amulet in the box, did he put the power
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into the I'm not sure that if that amulet as
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sparkly is is that what Jeremy called it? Yes, the
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road that's great is just has an innate power in itself.
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It was there's just like, what's going on here? What
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is the amulet? And why is it that Kademus has
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these powers? So is this a sword and sorcery movie
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or these just animals that are highly intelligent for a reason,
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which we do find out later in the film. And
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then I was asking myself, why are the rats in
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the rose bush harnessing the electricity? What are they using
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it for exactly? And why did they need it? Was
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it for general living purposes? And then I realized in
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reading more and then think about it, it made sense because
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they have more human qualities and thus require that power
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to do their work inside of the rose bush, et cetera.
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To keep the lights on basically, And Nicodemus has a
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quote when he's talking to Missus Brisbee says, he says,
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my child, we can no longer live as rats. We
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know too much. So they're obviously elevated and more evolved.
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But yeah, I was like, at the end, I'm going
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you have Jenner and his sidekick Sullivan. They've got swords
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and they're going to start to implement their evil plan.
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Where'd the swords come from? Where are they carrying swords?
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So again, I love the lore in this, but I
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just have some questions, specifically with those fantastical elements. Missus
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Brisbee literally uses the Amulet at the end to lift
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her cement block home from the mud, like Yoda uses
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the force to lift the x Wing from the swamp.
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Where did this magic come from? Why is this magic
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here existing in this world? It felt separate a little bit.
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I liked it, I just needed to have a little
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bit more of the why, like why it was there.
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I suppose I'm one hundred percent agreement, and I thought
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that somehow Nico demons had put Jonathan's spirit into the
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amulet and that's how it was able to activate and
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save the kids.
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But totally idea, Yeah, I thought that's kind of what
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he was doing too, But it doesn't get answered.
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No, it doesn't get answered. Why does he have magical
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powers if you got the same shots that all the
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other rats and mice did. Why are they just more intelligent?
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But none of them show any signs of having any
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kind of power?
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Right, So I have more questions that I'll bring up later.
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But my other issue I think with this because I
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mentioned the pacing in the way the story unfolds, I
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felt like Jenner, our antagonist, is introduced a bit too late.
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It's about forty minutes or so into the film, almost
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halfway through, and his motivation is very simple. I just
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felt like we needed to be introduced to the rats
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in the rose Bush earlier. That's the part of the
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film that started to really intrigue me, because that's the core.
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That's when we learn about Nim. We learned about these
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rats that are now, like I said, more evolved and
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highly intelligent, and they have been stealing the power of
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the electricity and feel shame for that. They've been stealing
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electricity and power from the Fitzgibbons home, the farmer's house,
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and now their whole plan, which is mentioned by Nicodemus
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in the very very beginning is to move to another
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location so that they don't have to steal anymore and
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somehow attain or obtain their own power by their own means,
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meaning electricity. So it's very strange, but it just I
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felt like the rats and gender should it that whole
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idea concept plotline through lunch should have been introduced earlier.
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Yeah, I think that does make sense. We're saying. I'm
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trying to figure out how you've put it in.
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Mm hmm. Yeah.
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You really don't meet one of our batties until yeah,
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halfway through the movie.
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Well, it's funny you just said one of our batties, because, honestly, Bill,
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I thought this was going to be headed toward a
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showdown between the rats and or mice and dragging the cat.
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I thought that was going to be a big thing
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at the end, and it just didn't happen.
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Of course, Oh that's true. Yeah, dragging the cat kind
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of disappears.
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I mean literally, missus Brisbee succeeds in her mission in
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drugging the cat, and then that's it. We don't see
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him anymore. I like draggoning the cat, I kind of
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I just maybe that is just a taste thing For me,
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I just liked him. I was like, when is the
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big the big battle with Dragon the cat, because that's
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the whole with the movie starts with you learn about
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Jonathan Brisbee's death and you think, I'm assuming he was
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killed by the cat or we don't. We'd actually don't
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know how he died specifically, I don't think.
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Do we no, But it is to go to drug
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the cat, so I would guess it was Dragon that
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did it, mm hmm. But it's not one hundred percent clear, right.
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So when that is how the movie kind of starts
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and you're just like, ooh, there's this big bad cat,
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which is great, you got mice, you got cats that
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that totally makes sense their rivals enemies and how is
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that going to come to a head at the end.
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So those are my issues. That was it. Otherwise it's
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an entertaining film. It looks fantastic. The colors are great,
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so many rich colors. I like the characters. I thought
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the voice actors were a lot of I mean, Dom
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Delowiz is fun. So it was an It's hard to
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say I was even revisiting it feels like I was
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visiting it for the first time and I thought this
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was kind of a weird wild ride that I wasn't expecting.
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Pleasant surprise for me overall.
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Yeah, are you wanna get in the favorite scenes or moments?
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Yeah, let's do it, all right?
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So what are our sum of our favorite scenes and moments
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from the Secret of Nim for all eighty two minutes
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of it? Well, I mean we did talk beforehand. I
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think we all had the same certainly. The first one
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was meeting Jeremy played by Dom Delawiz.
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Jeremy the Crow.
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Just hearing his voice, I forgot how much I used
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to love Dom Delowiz.
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As a kid.
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Yep, yep, absolutely when we get into accounaball run. I
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was Captain Chaos once for Halloween. That's how much I
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loved Dom Delowiz in that character, and just hearing him
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just brought back so many memories. He was just a fun,
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lovable guy. He just always just seemed to be happy
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when he was on screen, and that's what I just
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kind of missed, And he has that with this character too.
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He's just a fun dufas crow, always getting into mischief.
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So just have him introduced just a lot of fun.
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One thousand percent couldn't agree with you more. I knew
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he was in the movie, but then he just shows up.
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He just starts talking and it's like, oh my god,
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that's Don Delawise. He's hilarious. I love this. This is
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going to be fun. He's goofy, he's clumsy, he's all
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those things. It's perfect. I mean, he's cast so perfectly
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as Jeremy the Crow and this so lots of fun.
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That goes right into you know, his introduction goes right
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into my first favorite scene, which is the escape from
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Dragon the Cat. And this is just a really fun
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action sequence and watching it just for the animation, because
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we get Dragon chasing both Jeremy missus Brisbee through the trees.
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There's all these snapping branches. Dragon looks amazing, so intimidating
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with his one yellow eye and one blue eye, and
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he's got the big claws and he's just big and
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fat and strong and just jumping all over surprisingly agile.
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So they're jumping through the trees and then into the water.
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The animation is so colorful and it looks great. It's
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really well directed action. There's some really cool action in it.
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I appreciated all of that. There's one moment where Jeremy,
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because when we're introduced to Jeremy the crow, he's tangled
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up in the string. He actually uses that string, dangles it,
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and Missus Brisbee jumps onto it and then swings onto
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the tree. A great moment and the action sequence, and
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then afterward with Jeremy kind of being self congratulatory and
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at the same time mistakenly somehow manages to save the
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medicine for Missus Brisbee's sick son. A lot of fun.
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It's good action. I watched it a couple times. I
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was like, this just looks really it's just really cut
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well and looks really cool, and dragon's really intimidating. I
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liked it a lot.
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And this is what I love about old animation too,
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is like the scene when Missus Brigsby's climbing up the
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tree and you can see some of the branches are
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off color because you know there's the ones that are
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going to be animated.
480
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Oh sure, I missed that stuff. Mm hmm.
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You be like a rock and like, oh, okay, the
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character's going to kick that rock just because it's a
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different color than the background.
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Temp.
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I don't, I can't. I can't remember what they call that.
486
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The back the backdrop and then they you know, you
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put the cells on top of it to animate, but
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there's something off color you know, that's going to move
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or something. So I did enjoy seeing all that, especially
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through the action sies when they're scrambling through or swimming
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in the water, like, oh okay, you can see the
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stuff that's going to move or get touched in that point.
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So it was a lot of fun. That's funny you
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catch that.
495
00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:39.720
Yeah, for sure, they have those background I don't know
496
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if Matt paintings or what it would be like kind
497
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of correct, but yeah, they have that whole Yeah, it's
498
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so many layers. It's just layers upon layers of stuff,
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but you can kind of see that. So it is
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fun to pinpoint for sure. So what do we have next?
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So I'm just going right into another cool animation action sequence.
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And it's the morning of the move. It's the plow
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is coming early because the frost has lifted. It's moving day,
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and the Brisbee's got to get out of the house.
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But they can't move because young Timothy is sick with pneumonia.
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So that's a problem. This is just a little bit
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of a kind of an Indiana Jones sequence, good action.
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You got the plow coming through the field headed right
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towards the Brisbee house, which is the cinder block that's
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underneath the ground. But you have this great character an
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anti shrew, a shrew who is like basically the ant51200:26:29.160 --> 00:26:31.119
to this family who has warned them they got to51300:26:31.119 --> 00:26:33.599
get out of their house. And so she's there with51400:26:33.680 --> 00:26:36.759
the family and Missus Brisbee when the plow approaches, it's51500:26:36.799 --> 00:26:41.039
just this cool action where Missus Brisbee just kicks into action,51600:26:41.359 --> 00:26:43.640
jumps onto the plow and is like trying to figure51700:26:43.640 --> 00:26:45.920
out a way to stop it. She figures that's the51800:26:45.960 --> 00:26:49.400
only way to do this. Missus Brisbee then flies in51900:26:49.440 --> 00:26:52.279
to save the day, cuts the fuel line, and of52000:26:52.279 --> 00:26:55.599
course the plow stops right before running over the Brisbee home.52100:26:56.200 --> 00:26:58.799
They're jumping through the gears. The animation is just really52200:26:58.799 --> 00:27:00.839
cool and it's just funest and then you have the52300:27:00.839 --> 00:27:03.880
great Jerry Goldsmith score in the back. That's it fun.52400:27:04.240 --> 00:27:06.319
Yeah, I found it to be a pretty fun scene.52500:27:06.359 --> 00:27:10.799
And then you see the tube like, oh, okay, any52600:27:10.799 --> 00:27:13.200
street is gonna pull this tube off. Stop somehow stop52700:27:13.240 --> 00:27:16.640
the tractor. There we go boom. Another favorite scene was52800:27:16.680 --> 00:27:20.720
the meeting the rats, so missus Brisbee has to meet52900:27:20.759 --> 00:27:22.920
with the rats in order for them to come up53000:27:22.960 --> 00:27:25.039
with a plan to move her house before the plow53100:27:25.359 --> 00:27:29.759
does eventually rip through their home. And just going back53200:27:29.759 --> 00:27:33.400
to dragons Layer, just because so much of that animation53300:27:33.559 --> 00:27:36.920
reminded me of so many of the scenes from Dragon's Layer,53400:27:37.039 --> 00:27:41.359
the game which I loved playing in the early eighties53500:27:41.400 --> 00:27:44.319
at United States of America. I remember playing it the53600:27:44.319 --> 00:27:47.359
first time. It was on the boardwalk in Wildwood. My53700:27:47.440 --> 00:27:50.599
mom put in the fifty cents and died, Died, died,53800:27:50.799 --> 00:27:53.920
But it was hooked to that game forever. You just53900:27:53.960 --> 00:27:57.279
see that looks in that scene and just the world54000:27:57.359 --> 00:28:01.480
that the rats created. I always love animated stuff when54100:28:01.960 --> 00:28:05.640
we get to go into a world like rats or54200:28:05.720 --> 00:28:09.359
little people, and how they use common objects in a54300:28:09.359 --> 00:28:11.920
different way from what we use them for. And you54400:28:11.960 --> 00:28:14.480
see a lot of that. Christmas legs for us is54500:28:14.519 --> 00:28:17.519
our main lighting for them. So just that kind of54600:28:17.559 --> 00:28:20.799
stuff is a lot of fun to watch. Could agree more.54700:28:20.799 --> 00:28:22.640
I had this as well. I just I wrote down54800:28:22.680 --> 00:28:25.839
the descent into the Rat's layer deep inside the rose bush.54900:28:26.160 --> 00:28:31.000
Such a cool location, cool idea. It's ominous, everything appears electrified,55000:28:31.279 --> 00:28:34.880
great colors once again, love all the electric effects. Then55100:28:34.920 --> 00:28:37.240
there's one moment Missus Brisbee goes into like an open55200:28:37.359 --> 00:28:40.559
like a clearing, and this beautiful like green valley within55300:28:40.680 --> 00:28:43.799
the bush, and then you have Brutus, this giant rat55400:28:43.839 --> 00:28:45.480
guard with an electrified spear.55500:28:45.599 --> 00:28:48.640
Love that moment. It's just so cavernous, and there's a55600:28:48.640 --> 00:28:51.359
great line because you talk about the size difference in55700:28:51.359 --> 00:28:53.519
the pright and they remind you how tiny they are55800:28:53.559 --> 00:28:57.519
because at one point missus Brisbee is following mister Ages55900:28:58.119 --> 00:29:02.440
through this cavernous area to get to Nicodemus, and she says,56000:29:02.640 --> 00:29:06.920
is it always so dark? And mister Ages goes, We're56100:29:06.960 --> 00:29:11.720
down three feet like it's that's like a big deal56200:29:11.759 --> 00:29:15.839
for them, Yeah, waist deep, whoa right? Three feet. But56300:29:15.960 --> 00:29:18.799
my favorite part is when they meet Justin the captain56400:29:18.839 --> 00:29:21.839
of the Guard and they all get aboard the lantern56500:29:22.160 --> 00:29:25.160
and close the door, which then seals them inside the56600:29:25.240 --> 00:29:29.400
lantern and it's lowered downward underneath the water and goes56700:29:29.440 --> 00:29:32.079
below the water all the way to the bottom and56800:29:32.119 --> 00:29:34.599
the water and then just drains out of the cavern.56900:29:34.720 --> 00:29:36.480
They get out of the lantern and make their way57000:29:36.519 --> 00:29:38.680
into the grain storage area, and then the council room.57100:29:38.839 --> 00:29:42.640
It's just a really cool thing with the lantern being57200:29:42.680 --> 00:29:45.839
lowered and they're inside it. So again that size ratio57300:29:45.960 --> 00:29:46.839
thing was pretty cool.57400:29:47.519 --> 00:29:51.839
The whole mechanics on getting to the I guess main ballroom,57500:29:51.960 --> 00:29:55.039
as you would say, a lantern are used as an elevator.57600:29:55.480 --> 00:29:58.680
Another scene that really reminded me of Dragon's Layer when57700:29:58.720 --> 00:30:01.640
she was walking through the first initial part and the57800:30:01.680 --> 00:30:03.559
thorn bushes come out of nowhere and they kind of57900:30:03.599 --> 00:30:06.319
intertwine and almost like you can't turn around and get out,58000:30:06.319 --> 00:30:08.240
you got to go forward, and I was like, oh God,58100:30:08.319 --> 00:30:10.599
that's so Dragonslayer also so cool.58200:30:11.240 --> 00:30:13.079
I love the idea that the rats of the sequence,58300:30:13.079 --> 00:30:15.240
when they go into like the council room and you58400:30:15.279 --> 00:30:18.720
have Genner talking to the all the council men or58500:30:18.839 --> 00:30:22.599
council rats, that there's a line in there where they58600:30:22.720 --> 00:30:25.279
feel that all the other animals in the field are58700:30:25.400 --> 00:30:29.079
lower creatures, which is just a cool concept. The fact58800:30:29.119 --> 00:30:33.720
that they're rats, and we as humans obviously think of58900:30:33.799 --> 00:30:38.319
rats as kind of guttural, yes, dirty diseased animals, not59000:30:38.400 --> 00:30:39.759
all of them, of course. I don't want to offend59100:30:39.839 --> 00:30:41.759
all the rats out there, but I'm just saying that59200:30:41.880 --> 00:30:45.359
they are the ones calling the other animals lower creatures59300:30:45.440 --> 00:30:47.519
is very cool. Love that when you keep bringing up59400:30:47.559 --> 00:30:50.640
Dragon's Layer because I've never lost money quicker, I should59500:30:50.640 --> 00:30:55.000
have just literally thrown my roll of quarters into the trash.59600:30:55.119 --> 00:30:57.119
It was so fun. Don't get me wrong, off dragons59700:30:57.160 --> 00:30:59.319
Layer is the best, but man, I sucked at it,59800:30:59.440 --> 00:31:01.960
and it was always fifty cents instead of twenty five cents.59900:31:01.839 --> 00:31:03.559
Right, Yeah, it was first video game. I remember being60000:31:03.559 --> 00:31:06.960
fifty cents. Damn two quarters and I played for all60100:31:07.240 --> 00:31:08.039
thirty seconds.60200:31:08.440 --> 00:31:11.240
Sex Mom and dad are like, you're already done in60300:31:11.279 --> 00:31:14.400
the arcade? Yeah, lost all my quarters in two minutes.60400:31:15.119 --> 00:31:17.640
And then a final favorite scenier moment for us I60500:31:17.640 --> 00:31:19.920
think we agree on this one is the final duel60600:31:20.039 --> 00:31:21.799
between Justin and Jenner.60700:31:22.400 --> 00:31:23.880
Yep, great stuff.60800:31:24.160 --> 00:31:27.799
So the Rats do agree to help the Brisbees move60900:31:27.839 --> 00:31:31.640
their home because of the debt for Jonathan Brisbee, because61000:31:31.680 --> 00:31:34.519
we do find out it's Jonathan Brisbee that got them61100:31:34.559 --> 00:31:36.960
out of nim or did the last stage to get61200:31:37.000 --> 00:31:39.920
them out, so they're beholden to him. But the first61300:31:39.960 --> 00:31:42.279
a little bit argument about it, and then Jenner sees61400:31:42.319 --> 00:31:44.880
it as an opportunity to get rid of NiCoT Damas61500:31:44.880 --> 00:31:46.559
because he wants to be in charge of the rats,61600:31:46.559 --> 00:31:51.400
and unfortunately they are successful and Nicodemus dies and that's61700:31:51.440 --> 00:31:54.559
when Justin realizes that Jenner set this whole thing up61800:31:54.680 --> 00:31:56.480
and they have the final duel.61900:31:57.400 --> 00:31:59.240
I enjoyed it. It was a lot of fun. Always like62000:31:59.279 --> 00:32:01.920
a good swordfi. You were talking about this earlier Bill,62100:32:02.160 --> 00:32:06.160
this is violent. There's death in here. I was like, wait, oh, damn,62200:32:06.440 --> 00:32:09.720
Nicodemus is actually dead. I didn't think they would succeed62300:32:09.799 --> 00:32:12.680
with the plan they did. They killed him. I forgot62400:32:12.680 --> 00:32:15.359
about that too. These rats are slicing each other up,62500:32:15.400 --> 00:32:18.359
We're seeing blood flowing. I always like a good sword fight,62600:32:18.559 --> 00:32:21.920
solid choreography. Love the fact that it's Jenner's kind of62700:32:21.960 --> 00:32:24.640
evil sidekick that comes to the good side and as62800:32:24.680 --> 00:32:27.759
he's dying, saves the day by throwing his knife into62900:32:27.839 --> 00:32:32.000
Jenner's back and then he falls to his death. So63000:32:32.240 --> 00:32:34.799
little trivia on this. I love this. The staging of63100:32:34.799 --> 00:32:37.960
the climactic sword fight between Justin Jenner was largely taken63200:32:38.000 --> 00:32:42.240
from the Tony Curtis Kirk Douglas duel in the Vikings63300:32:42.839 --> 00:32:46.319
film from nineteen fifty eight, and some choreography, including the63400:32:46.400 --> 00:32:48.920
villain getting stabbed in the stomach, was literally copied by63500:32:48.920 --> 00:32:52.160
the animators. Other moments were inspired by fight scenes in63600:32:52.319 --> 00:32:57.079
the Adventures of robin Hood nineteen thirty eight. A little63700:32:57.160 --> 00:33:00.759
robin Hood in there? Yeah for sure? Was that Errol Flynn? Yes?63800:33:00.799 --> 00:33:01.119
That one?63900:33:01.240 --> 00:33:07.799
Yeah, Okay, Time to move on to Swiss Cheese and64000:33:07.880 --> 00:33:10.440
Complaints Apartment. And why don't we call the Swiss.64100:33:10.200 --> 00:33:13.920
Cheese because although this movie is delicious, it does have64200:33:14.039 --> 00:33:18.680
farmhouse mouseholes, yes, and it doesn't have those farmhouse mouseholes.64300:33:18.680 --> 00:33:20.920
We just file a complaint with the Complaints Apartment. So64400:33:20.920 --> 00:33:23.680
what do we have for Swiss cheese complaints in this Well,64500:33:23.960 --> 00:33:26.279
in the beginning, this is just super nitpicky. I was like,64600:33:26.359 --> 00:33:30.720
apparently anti Shrew isn't too concerned about our poor sick Timothy.64700:33:30.839 --> 00:33:34.680
She visits the Brisbee home and there's some interaction between64800:33:34.720 --> 00:33:37.400
her and the eldest son, Martin, who doesn't care for64900:33:37.440 --> 00:33:40.839
her too much. But Shrue is very Shrewish, and she's65000:33:41.000 --> 00:33:42.519
just warning them that they're going to have to get out,65100:33:42.519 --> 00:33:44.880
they got to move, but she gets tangled up with65200:33:44.920 --> 00:33:47.039
the kids and then just takes off, and they're trying65300:33:47.039 --> 00:33:49.799
to tell her that Tim is sick, but she doesn't65400:33:49.799 --> 00:33:53.759
seem to be affected by It's like there's a kid65500:33:53.759 --> 00:33:56.000
with the pneumonia and they're like if they call her65600:33:56.039 --> 00:33:57.799
anti shrew. I think that was the problem I had.65700:33:57.839 --> 00:34:00.200
I was just like, if she's anti shru, shouldn't she65800:34:00.359 --> 00:34:03.359
be a little more concerned about the sick boy.65900:34:03.559 --> 00:34:05.720
I don't know, you would think so, or she'd even66000:34:05.799 --> 00:34:07.240
knew that he was sick to begin with.66100:34:07.480 --> 00:34:07.920
Mm hmm.66200:34:08.119 --> 00:34:09.960
And that whole warning system, they didn't have been a66300:34:10.000 --> 00:34:13.000
lot of time. That was basically the next day the pole.66400:34:12.840 --> 00:34:15.559
Started, right, Yeah, that was quick.66500:34:15.639 --> 00:34:18.719
Who could pack up their place and overnight and get66600:34:18.719 --> 00:34:19.360
that stuff out?66700:34:19.639 --> 00:34:21.320
I thought about that too. That's interesting. That was in66800:34:21.360 --> 00:34:22.760
the back of my mind. When you see all the66900:34:22.800 --> 00:34:26.800
other creatures running away, you have I failed to mention67000:34:26.840 --> 00:34:28.920
that during that action sequence, it's great to see all67100:34:28.920 --> 00:34:32.760
the rabbits, the bunnies, the squirrels, the birds flying out67200:34:32.800 --> 00:34:34.840
of the fields, like, oh, they're just abandoning their homes.67300:34:34.840 --> 00:34:37.079
They got to leave it all behind, no time to move.67400:34:37.360 --> 00:34:39.599
So, speaking of animals, I couldn't figure this out either.67500:34:40.119 --> 00:34:43.719
Why could some talk and some couldn't, Like we understand67600:34:43.760 --> 00:34:48.719
why the rats of nim could speak, that's explained, But67700:34:49.400 --> 00:34:52.679
why does Missus Prisby speak. I can understand maybe why67800:34:52.719 --> 00:34:56.760
the kids speak because they're from Jonathan, but Anti Shrew67900:34:56.920 --> 00:34:59.679
why can't she speak? But then rabbits can't. The great68000:34:59.679 --> 00:35:03.159
alcol Jeremy can. All the other animals in the field,68100:35:03.199 --> 00:35:04.639
they don't seem to have that ability.68200:35:04.760 --> 00:35:07.519
No, they're just like squeaking and squawking. How did all68300:35:07.519 --> 00:35:09.880
that work? You bring up a great point. I'm glad68400:35:09.920 --> 00:35:12.719
you said that, because it's the problem again, the magic68500:35:12.840 --> 00:35:15.760
in this movie. I don't understand. It's one thing to68600:35:15.760 --> 00:35:19.880
have a conceit where you're watching a kid's animated film68700:35:19.920 --> 00:35:22.880
where the animals talk, of course, right, yeah, Like you68800:35:23.000 --> 00:35:25.159
just go and that's kind of what you expect. But68900:35:25.199 --> 00:35:26.920
then when some can and some can't, and then you69000:35:27.000 --> 00:35:29.039
learn that there are rats that were injected with some69100:35:29.039 --> 00:35:33.760
special concoction that made them of higher intelligence, then you're like, oh,69200:35:33.800 --> 00:35:37.679
that would be cool if that's why they can talk.69300:35:37.920 --> 00:35:42.679
They can actually speak English because they were given this69400:35:42.760 --> 00:35:45.920
special injection. And then they would have to explain why69500:35:45.960 --> 00:35:49.159
missus Brisbee also can speak, but maybe she didn't not69600:35:49.239 --> 00:35:50.719
you know, you could come up with some other things,69700:35:51.199 --> 00:35:52.880
but I thought that's what they were going to go with.69800:35:52.920 --> 00:35:56.159
They were going in that direction as to why they69900:35:56.199 --> 00:35:59.840
could talk when I saw that some of them couldn't.70000:36:00.679 --> 00:36:01.800
Yeah, dragging can talk.70100:36:02.800 --> 00:36:04.119
Yeah yeah.70200:36:04.639 --> 00:36:07.559
Honestly, it didn't bother me. But when the movie's over70300:36:07.599 --> 00:36:09.599
and then you think about it, why was it that way?70400:36:09.960 --> 00:36:11.880
It should have just been the mice in the rats70500:36:12.480 --> 00:36:13.639
and that kind of should have been it.70600:36:14.039 --> 00:36:17.760
Right, Speaking of things happening quickly, at the end, when70700:36:18.519 --> 00:36:22.480
the rats, led by Nicodemus and Justin, decide to help70800:36:22.559 --> 00:36:26.639
missus Brisbee move her home, they moved super quickly. They70900:36:26.800 --> 00:36:30.199
designed and built an entire pulley system in order to71000:36:30.280 --> 00:36:33.760
move the Brisbee cinder block home. It seems like ours,71100:36:34.000 --> 00:36:37.440
it's just really quick. I'm like, wow, they have an71200:36:37.679 --> 00:36:39.320
entire pulley system.71300:36:39.880 --> 00:36:42.920
Well, it seemed weird because I think it almost seemed71400:36:42.960 --> 00:36:44.599
like they were moving it from one side of that71500:36:44.679 --> 00:36:47.760
rock to the other side, right, which made me think,71600:36:48.000 --> 00:36:50.119
why are you even on that first side to begin with?71700:36:50.159 --> 00:36:52.880
If you know the pliole comes every year, mm hmm.71800:36:53.800 --> 00:36:56.519
If everybody knows the pile comes, it's like living in71900:36:56.519 --> 00:36:58.360
California and like, oh, you know, what, I'm gonna build72000:36:58.400 --> 00:37:03.960
my house right on the fault line and take my chances.72100:37:03.679 --> 00:37:06.559
Right, or you know in California there's mudslides, so you72200:37:06.719 --> 00:37:09.440
just put your house right. Yeah, I'm going to put72300:37:09.440 --> 00:37:11.719
my house at the foot of the mountain on the cliff, yeah.72400:37:11.800 --> 00:37:13.480
Or yeah, I'm gonna put my house right by the72500:37:13.559 --> 00:37:18.039
river that always overflows. Move somewhere where you don't have72600:37:18.119 --> 00:37:20.199
to worry about the great move every year.72700:37:20.639 --> 00:37:23.559
Kind of a major inconvenience. So yeah, I'm glad you72800:37:23.599 --> 00:37:25.719
brought that up too, because it seemed like that was72900:37:25.760 --> 00:37:28.320
a big deal. The Great Owl says to miss Brisbee,73000:37:28.800 --> 00:37:32.480
go back, talk to Nicodemus and the rats, and move73100:37:32.599 --> 00:37:35.159
to the lee of the stone. And I'm like, well,73200:37:35.159 --> 00:37:37.000
that sounds cool. What the hell does that mean? So73300:37:37.039 --> 00:37:40.039
I had to look it up, and lee means a73400:37:40.079 --> 00:37:44.400
protected downwind area. It acts as a metaphor for safety73500:37:44.440 --> 00:37:47.559
and shelter, so it refers to the sheltered space behind73600:37:47.559 --> 00:37:51.320
a large anchored stone, the lee of the stone. And73700:37:51.400 --> 00:37:53.239
so it's like, I thought the lee of the stone73800:37:53.320 --> 00:37:55.480
was some other magical place like where she was going73900:37:55.559 --> 00:37:58.000
to move, and you're right, then, it's just no, it's74000:37:58.039 --> 00:38:01.320
the other side of the stone where there's right. It's74100:38:01.360 --> 00:38:03.840
nothing special. It's just the lee of the stone on74200:38:03.920 --> 00:38:05.679
the other side, the sheltered side.74300:38:05.440 --> 00:38:08.079
Which made me think too, they live in a cinder block.74400:38:08.079 --> 00:38:11.119
I don't even think it's that big for mice to74500:38:11.159 --> 00:38:11.639
begin with.74600:38:11.920 --> 00:38:14.400
That's actually a good point. Yeah.74700:38:14.440 --> 00:38:17.360
But if I'm the farmer and I'm gonna plow my field,74800:38:17.679 --> 00:38:19.599
this is the first thing they do is walk the74900:38:19.639 --> 00:38:22.320
field to see if there's stuff like cinder blocks in75000:38:22.360 --> 00:38:24.559
there to dig it out. So when I drive my75100:38:24.679 --> 00:38:27.000
plow over it, I'm not wrecking my plow.75200:38:27.599 --> 00:38:30.599
Man, you just hit another thing. I was thinking about75300:38:30.599 --> 00:38:33.119
putting this and make the big fears that the plow75400:38:33.239 --> 00:38:35.880
is going to destroy their home, and I'm going you75500:38:35.920 --> 00:38:38.239
live in a cinder block, it's going to destroy the75600:38:38.320 --> 00:38:39.440
plow if anything.75700:38:40.119 --> 00:38:43.719
Yeah, it's just going to turn it. Yeah, I'm gonna75800:38:43.719 --> 00:38:44.639
get to my big complaint.75900:38:44.920 --> 00:38:45.639
Yeah. I know.76000:38:45.760 --> 00:38:48.039
In Leath a Weapon, I talked about how much I76100:38:48.079 --> 00:38:51.320
did not like that final closing song. Oh my god,76200:38:51.679 --> 00:38:53.880
this one blows it away. This is gonna be one76300:38:53.920 --> 00:38:56.880
of the worst final credit songs ever. And even the76400:38:56.920 --> 00:38:59.400
other song in this movie is not good either. It76500:38:59.440 --> 00:39:02.440
almost remined finds me of Willie Welcome to Chocolate Factory.76600:39:02.559 --> 00:39:05.519
Uh huh the cheer Up Charlie song. I always skip76700:39:05.559 --> 00:39:07.440
that scene in the movie, and I was like, oh76800:39:07.440 --> 00:39:10.119
my god, this is like it's cousin song. When she's76900:39:10.159 --> 00:39:13.480
feeding Timmy the medicine and there's that song playing, I'm like,77000:39:13.519 --> 00:39:16.000
this song is awful. It's in it's and then I77100:39:16.039 --> 00:39:17.920
was like, I can't get any worse than this, But nope,77200:39:18.000 --> 00:39:21.159
when the closing credits come on, that song is twenty77300:39:21.239 --> 00:39:24.960
times worse. That's definitely now the worst closing credits songs77400:39:25.000 --> 00:39:27.360
I've heard from an eighties movie.77500:39:28.400 --> 00:39:31.280
You nailed it. It's off putting, to say the least.77600:39:31.719 --> 00:39:34.920
I know it's supposed to be fairy tale esque and77700:39:35.000 --> 00:39:37.679
to have that vibe and feeling it just makes me77800:39:37.719 --> 00:39:41.679
think of Princess Bride, which is great because that's Mark Knopfler.77900:39:41.960 --> 00:39:45.039
And then it also makes me think of another movie78000:39:45.079 --> 00:39:48.320
like this where it's fantastical and mystical or is a78100:39:48.400 --> 00:39:52.079
legend with Tom Cruise and Tim Curry, and that movie78200:39:52.599 --> 00:39:55.199
has some weird lyrical music too, but I think it's78300:39:55.239 --> 00:39:58.119
John Anderson from Yes does some one of the songs78400:39:58.119 --> 00:40:01.000
in that and it's actually okay, but it's does this fit?78500:40:01.519 --> 00:40:03.559
Does this feel like it belongs here?78600:40:03.960 --> 00:40:07.639
It's may you want something catchy? It was catchy. You're78700:40:07.639 --> 00:40:10.960
not gonna sing this. It's not memorable for the movie.78800:40:11.320 --> 00:40:13.679
Maybe just caught up in the Disney trap, because there's78900:40:13.719 --> 00:40:17.199
always there's always those great memorable songs from a Disney.79000:40:17.400 --> 00:40:19.400
It's another great point, So you'd.79100:40:19.159 --> 00:40:22.159
Think he would have done that for this. You know what,79200:40:22.239 --> 00:40:25.000
not only may do better animation than you're doing right now, Disney.79300:40:25.039 --> 00:40:27.760
I'm gonna put in a better song animation, yes, from79400:40:27.800 --> 00:40:30.360
what Disney was doing at the time. Definitely better animation.79500:40:30.800 --> 00:40:34.800
Music not so much. I got one more complaint.79600:40:35.159 --> 00:40:39.760
Oh go ahead. Jeremy the Crow completely disappears for the79700:40:39.800 --> 00:40:42.719
third act finale or finales if you will. There's the79800:40:42.760 --> 00:40:46.280
sword fight, there's the raising the house from the mud,79900:40:46.679 --> 00:40:50.880
all of that. Before that happens, we do see missus80000:40:50.880 --> 00:40:55.559
Brisbee talk to Jeremy, who was kind of swimming underwater80100:40:55.599 --> 00:40:59.039
in disguise under the lily pads, and then she says,80200:40:59.159 --> 00:41:01.760
go get a ton of string. I want you to80300:41:01.760 --> 00:41:03.760
get more string. Go get a bunch of string, and80400:41:03.840 --> 00:41:06.519
he takes off like he's on a mission. Great, and80500:41:06.519 --> 00:41:09.119
then this whole thing happens. And I was waiting for80600:41:09.239 --> 00:41:11.159
Jeremy to show up at some point with either the80700:41:11.239 --> 00:41:13.519
string to help pull something or do something with it.80800:41:13.800 --> 00:41:16.079
But I just thought he would appear at some point80900:41:16.280 --> 00:41:20.880
for some reason, to even clumsily help things along. He's81000:41:21.199 --> 00:41:24.599
literally does not show up until the very end of81100:41:24.599 --> 00:41:25.760
the movie, just gone.81200:41:26.280 --> 00:41:29.039
It is very weird how characters come in and out81300:41:29.079 --> 00:41:31.039
of this film.81400:41:31.079 --> 00:41:33.719
He's the comic relief. It gets really dark at the end.81500:41:33.719 --> 00:41:35.320
Maybe that's why they didn't they took him out.81600:41:35.320 --> 00:41:37.400
I don't know how do you bring him back in81700:41:37.440 --> 00:41:40.599
for that moment, but he should have been in there somehow. See,81800:41:40.599 --> 00:41:43.440
that would be perfect. You somehow bring Dragon back and81900:41:43.599 --> 00:41:47.239
Jeremy comes in somehow and gets dragging out of the82000:41:47.280 --> 00:41:49.599
picture so they can try to complete their task with82100:41:49.679 --> 00:41:50.639
saving the brisbee.82200:41:50.960 --> 00:41:53.880
Oh, that's a great call. That's a great as if82300:41:54.039 --> 00:41:57.400
Dragon wakes up, Yes, he wasn't drugged enough. He wakes82400:41:57.480 --> 00:41:59.000
up in the middle of thing and then goes after82500:41:59.039 --> 00:42:01.400
them as they're trying to get the cinder block out82600:42:01.440 --> 00:42:05.039
of the mud, and Jeremy has to run interference and82700:42:05.559 --> 00:42:07.760
fight off Dragon. Oh. That would have been great.82800:42:07.920 --> 00:42:09.559
I'm sure they had that written now, it just wasn't82900:42:09.599 --> 00:42:10.119
in the budget.83000:42:10.360 --> 00:42:12.280
Yeah, yeah, they didn't have a lot of money to83100:42:12.320 --> 00:42:13.519
work with, as it turns.83200:42:13.239 --> 00:42:15.840
Out, all right, I want to move on to Hey,83300:42:16.159 --> 00:42:19.639
that's that actor case probably a voice actor in this83400:42:19.679 --> 00:42:22.400
segment with Spotlight, a character actor you have seen in83500:42:22.480 --> 00:42:25.039
many other films, an actor making their big screen debut,83600:42:25.159 --> 00:42:27.840
or an actor that makes an uncredited cameo's Hey, it's83700:42:27.840 --> 00:42:28.320
that actor.83800:42:28.519 --> 00:42:31.719
Who do we choose this week? This week for our83900:42:31.960 --> 00:42:36.800
Hey it's that actor, we went with John Kerodine, John Carodine,84000:42:36.800 --> 00:42:42.320
who voices the Great Owl, classic actor from Poughkeepsie, New York,84100:42:42.440 --> 00:42:44.840
known for his deep baritone voice, and it is great84200:42:45.079 --> 00:42:46.639
in this as the Great Owl, known as one of84300:42:46.679 --> 00:42:50.000
the great character actors in American cinema, actually did voice84400:42:50.079 --> 00:42:52.559
work all the way back in the late nineteen twenties84500:42:52.559 --> 00:42:55.320
for Cecil B. De Mill. He was a protege and84600:42:55.320 --> 00:42:57.679
close friend of John Barrymore, was then a prolific film84700:42:57.719 --> 00:43:00.480
actor and later on typecast is a horror film star84800:43:00.559 --> 00:43:03.000
and low budget and ultra low budget horror films. He84900:43:03.039 --> 00:43:04.760
was a member of the group of actors often used85000:43:04.760 --> 00:43:08.360
by John Ford that became known as the john Ford85100:43:08.400 --> 00:43:12.119
Stock Company. His IMDb filmography goes all the way back85200:43:12.159 --> 00:43:14.559
to nineteen thirty and between. Then in the eighties, he's85300:43:14.599 --> 00:43:17.719
known for classic films such as The Grapes of Wrath, Stagecoach,85400:43:17.800 --> 00:43:19.719
The Ten Commandments. He plays a role in one of85500:43:19.719 --> 00:43:22.639
my favorite Danny k movies, The Court Jester in nineteen85600:43:22.679 --> 00:43:25.119
fifty five. But during the eighties he was featured in85700:43:25.239 --> 00:43:28.440
these notables, The Boogeyman from nineteen eighty, The Howling in85800:43:28.519 --> 00:43:31.239
eighty one, The Nesting also in eighty one. He's the85900:43:31.320 --> 00:43:34.119
Supreme Commander in Bill Band's favorite movie of all time,86000:43:34.159 --> 00:43:37.039
The Ice Pirates nineteen eighty four. He plays a character86100:43:37.119 --> 00:43:39.679
named Leo in Peggy Sue Got Married, which we also86200:43:39.719 --> 00:43:42.159
did on this very podcast. That film was from eighty six.86300:43:42.639 --> 00:43:44.480
And then I just wanted to say the title of86400:43:44.519 --> 00:43:49.039
this film, The Adventures of Tora prison Ship Star Slammer,86500:43:49.320 --> 00:43:51.440
that was also in nineteen eighty six. You gotta look86600:43:51.480 --> 00:43:54.440
that one up, look at the cover. It's great. He86700:43:54.480 --> 00:43:58.440
played Count Dracula in four films. House of Frankenstein from86800:43:58.480 --> 00:44:00.920
forty four, House of Dracula from forty five, Billy the86900:44:01.000 --> 00:44:05.159
Kid Versus Dracula in sixty six and Nocturna in seventy nine.87000:44:05.760 --> 00:44:08.719
Father to five sons, three of which at least I87100:44:08.719 --> 00:44:10.800
think there's four of them were actors. You'll know these87200:44:10.840 --> 00:44:15.079
three for sure. His sons David Carodine, Robert Carodine from87300:44:15.239 --> 00:44:19.000
Revenge of the Nerds RIP, and Keith Carody. One of87400:44:19.039 --> 00:44:23.119
his grandchildren is actress Martha Plimpton, who's featured in some87500:44:23.159 --> 00:44:27.440
of our favorite eighties flicks. John Carodine passed away from87600:44:27.480 --> 00:44:30.119
natural causes in nineteen eighty eight at age eighty two.87700:44:30.400 --> 00:44:33.800
Dig Yeah, great voice as the great Al. He was87800:44:33.800 --> 00:44:35.800
great as a great al. Okay, move it on to87900:44:36.000 --> 00:44:38.239
facts and trivia. What are some facts and trivia we88000:44:38.320 --> 00:44:39.760
have about the secret of them?88100:44:40.719 --> 00:44:43.440
Let's see here. This was a seem to be a88200:44:43.480 --> 00:44:48.320
popular fun fact during the film's production. Aurora, which was88300:44:48.480 --> 00:44:50.519
I believe is that they're one of the production companies.88400:44:51.039 --> 00:44:56.559
Roora contacted the company Whammo, the manufacturers of Frisbee flying discs,88500:44:56.639 --> 00:45:00.639
with concerns about possible trademark infringements if the Misses Frisbee88600:45:00.960 --> 00:45:04.000
name from O'Brien's original book was used in the film.88700:45:04.039 --> 00:45:07.400
Wammo rejected Aurora's request for Waiver to use the same88800:45:07.440 --> 00:45:11.159
sounding name to their Frisbee in the film. Aurora informed88900:45:11.199 --> 00:45:14.000
Bluth in Company that Missus Frisbee's name would have to89000:45:14.000 --> 00:45:16.559
be altered, but by then the voice work had already89100:45:16.559 --> 00:45:18.320
been recorded for the film, so the name changed to89200:45:18.840 --> 00:45:23.440
Missus Brisbee necessitated a combination of re recording some lines,89300:45:23.719 --> 00:45:27.920
and because John Carradine was unavailable for further recordings, careful89400:45:28.079 --> 00:45:31.320
sound editing had to be performed, taking the B sound89500:45:31.639 --> 00:45:35.239
out of another word from Carrodine's recorded lines and replaced89600:45:35.280 --> 00:45:38.360
the F sound with the B sound, altering the name89700:45:38.400 --> 00:45:40.880
from Frisbee to Brisbee. Wow.89800:45:40.960 --> 00:45:44.519
So the film was famously produced out of don blues89900:45:44.679 --> 00:45:47.880
garage or a shoe string budget so tight that the90000:45:47.920 --> 00:45:51.960
final stretch was financed by Bluth, Gary Goldman, and John90100:45:52.360 --> 00:45:57.079
Pomperroy mortgaging their homes so to achieve the level animation90200:45:57.239 --> 00:46:00.280
quality they were striving for. The team rucine Lely were90300:46:00.400 --> 00:46:04.320
grueling sixteen hour days, often bringing work home just to90400:46:04.400 --> 00:46:05.679
keep pace crazy.90500:46:05.920 --> 00:46:08.880
This was Jerry Goldsmith's first music score for an animated movie.90600:46:08.920 --> 00:46:11.239
He later said it was among his personal favorites. He90700:46:11.360 --> 00:46:16.039
was instrumental in introducing the movie to Steven Spielberg, who90800:46:16.119 --> 00:46:19.400
went on to work with Don Bluth on An American90900:46:19.440 --> 00:46:22.400
Tale in eighty six. According to Bluth and Gary Goldman91000:46:22.400 --> 00:46:25.400
in their DVD commentary, Goldsmith so loved the movie that91100:46:25.440 --> 00:46:28.800
he volunteered in extra three weeks to polish and refine91200:46:28.840 --> 00:46:32.000
the score, even though he was not contractually obligated to91300:46:32.039 --> 00:46:32.400
do so.91400:46:32.559 --> 00:46:36.280
According to Don Blue's biography, early versions of the Secret91500:46:36.320 --> 00:46:38.760
of Nim looked very different from the final film. An91600:46:38.760 --> 00:46:42.480
initial draft stayed much closer to Missus Frisbee and the91700:46:42.559 --> 00:46:45.880
Rats of Nim, while a later script by Stephen Barnes91800:46:45.920 --> 00:46:49.039
introduced major changes. In this early draft, the scientists from91900:46:49.119 --> 00:46:52.360
Nim's played a much larger role, with the story cutting92000:46:52.400 --> 00:46:55.159
back and forth between them and the animals. There was92100:46:55.239 --> 00:46:59.440
even discussions of making one scientist a central villain balanced92200:46:59.440 --> 00:47:03.199
by a more sympathetic good scientist, a concept that was92300:47:03.480 --> 00:47:07.280
ultimately scaled back to a brief flashback and mostly offscreen presence.92400:47:07.320 --> 00:47:10.199
In the finished film, Missus Brisbee herself was written as92500:47:10.280 --> 00:47:14.000
even more openly emotional, and the character Isabelle from the92600:47:14.000 --> 00:47:16.639
book was included rather than being removed.92700:47:16.880 --> 00:47:17.559
In the adaptation.92800:47:18.079 --> 00:47:21.559
One planned sequence had dragged the cat attacking the Brisbee home,92900:47:21.719 --> 00:47:24.559
after which mister Ages and Justin would explain to the93000:47:24.639 --> 00:47:27.840
children what happened to their father. The climax was also93100:47:28.119 --> 00:47:32.639
far more grounded. Instead of a mystical resolution involving the amulet,93200:47:32.840 --> 00:47:36.440
one version had nim gassing the Rats home, forcing a93300:47:36.519 --> 00:47:40.960
desperate escape. Another concept centered on Brisbee making a literal93400:47:41.079 --> 00:47:44.400
leap of faith across a deadly chasm, with her children93500:47:44.679 --> 00:47:48.960
succeeding only because of the encouragement Justin had given her earlier,93600:47:49.159 --> 00:47:53.440
making courage rather than magic the driving force behind the ending.93700:47:53.800 --> 00:47:56.199
Yeah, it's interesting you talk about that. You can read93800:47:56.239 --> 00:47:58.719
it on it. The changes they made from the book93900:47:58.719 --> 00:48:02.880
and then beyond kind of explain my issues with this.94000:48:02.960 --> 00:48:07.719
With the fantastic they added that fantastical magical quality gener's94100:48:07.840 --> 00:48:09.880
character too. I think you know, either was bigger or94200:48:09.920 --> 00:48:13.360
smaller from the book. But the changes they made were like, Okay,94300:48:13.519 --> 00:48:16.000
that's why it feels a little separate from everything else,94400:48:16.760 --> 00:48:18.800
or we just have a lot of questions as to94500:48:18.840 --> 00:48:20.440
why it's there or how it works.94600:48:20.719 --> 00:48:23.440
Great because they just don't explain why it happens.94700:48:23.679 --> 00:48:26.360
Yeah, and it wasn't in the book that makes sense.94800:48:26.480 --> 00:48:29.840
The movie also heralds a return to using the multiplane94900:48:29.920 --> 00:48:35.039
camera for scenes requiring depth, especially Nicodemus's magic hologram, and95000:48:35.079 --> 00:48:38.239
in the opening sequence, where with the aid of backlit animation,95100:48:38.320 --> 00:48:41.639
the wise old rat beckens magic vapors from an ink95200:48:41.719 --> 00:48:43.719
well to grace the pages of an ancient book with95300:48:43.800 --> 00:48:46.719
fiery gold lettering. Last, but not least, there are more95400:48:46.760 --> 00:48:50.079
than six hundred colors used in this movie. One character,95500:48:50.480 --> 00:48:54.760
chemist Mouse mister Ages has twenty six colors.95600:48:54.760 --> 00:48:59.320
Wow, that's cool. Yeah, can move on to box office.95700:48:59.360 --> 00:49:02.559
So The Secret of Dim hit theaters on July second,95800:49:02.639 --> 00:49:06.719
nineteen eighty two, opening in only eighty eight locations. With95900:49:06.760 --> 00:49:09.679
an estimated budget of seven million dollars, The movie pulled96000:49:09.679 --> 00:49:13.119
in fourteen point six million across North America. It opened96100:49:13.159 --> 00:49:15.920
in the seventeenth spot at the box office and never96200:49:16.159 --> 00:49:18.679
entered the top ten. It didn't help that Disney had96300:49:18.719 --> 00:49:21.519
released Bamby on the same day, which opened in seven96400:49:21.599 --> 00:49:24.519
hundred and fifty theaters and made close to two million96500:49:24.559 --> 00:49:27.800
dollars that week. Nim's biggest grossing week was on its96600:49:27.840 --> 00:49:30.039
third week of release, when it was in seven hundred96700:49:30.079 --> 00:49:33.519
theaters and pulled in one point four million in ticket sales.96800:49:33.599 --> 00:49:36.239
By the end of its run, it became the sixty96900:49:36.440 --> 00:49:39.719
eighth highest grossing movie of nineteen eighty two. Then, moving97000:49:39.760 --> 00:49:41.400
on to reviews. From growing up in the eighties, we97100:49:41.440 --> 00:49:44.079
would watch sneak previews with Gene Siskel and Roger Ebert97200:49:44.119 --> 00:49:46.719
to hear the reviews and watch clips of upcoming movies.97300:49:46.960 --> 00:49:49.880
Their review of The Secret of Dim was unanimous two97400:49:50.119 --> 00:49:52.559
thumbs up. Gene wasn't a big fan of the opening97500:49:52.559 --> 00:49:55.519
of the movie or the main character, but once the97600:49:55.519 --> 00:49:59.360
movie explored the world of the rats, things really picked up.97700:49:59.599 --> 00:50:02.840
Roger impressed with the movie's depth, depth of characters, and97800:50:02.920 --> 00:50:06.079
depth of animation. Rotten Tomatoes is it a Tomato Meter97900:50:06.159 --> 00:50:09.079
score of ninety three percent? What's the Popcorn Meter score98000:50:09.079 --> 00:50:12.320
of eighty six percent? It also has an IMDb rating98100:50:12.440 --> 00:50:15.440
of seven point five. So this brings us to additional98200:50:15.440 --> 00:50:17.679
thoughts and questions. Do we have any additional thoughts in98300:50:17.840 --> 00:50:21.119
questions about the secretive nim Yeah, I've got a few98400:50:21.199 --> 00:50:21.960
for you, okay.98500:50:22.199 --> 00:50:23.840
In the very beginning of the film, after the cold98600:50:23.880 --> 00:50:27.239
open with Nicodemus, we're introduced to mister Ages. He's inside98700:50:27.320 --> 00:50:29.519
this piece of this giant piece of farm equipment that's98800:50:29.559 --> 00:50:31.760
sitting out in the field. What is he working on?98900:50:31.840 --> 00:50:35.079
In the beginning, he's clearly inside the equipment. We learned99000:50:35.119 --> 00:50:37.079
later on that he's one of the two mice that99100:50:37.239 --> 00:50:41.960
survived the nim experiments and got out. So he's highly intelligent,99200:50:42.280 --> 00:50:44.920
we learned later. So it kind of makes sense looking back.99300:50:44.960 --> 00:50:48.840
But is he using his intelligence for that medicine preparation,99400:50:49.079 --> 00:50:52.960
or alchemy or the power that he has because he99500:50:52.960 --> 00:50:55.960
seems to live inside that equipment right his home is99600:50:56.000 --> 00:50:59.480
down inside that farming tool.99700:50:59.760 --> 00:51:03.480
I got a little confused. I initially thought he was99800:51:03.599 --> 00:51:07.280
in the plow trying to sabotage it so it wouldn't99900:51:07.320 --> 00:51:10.000
be ready. But then I'm like, why would you have100000:51:10.039 --> 00:51:12.920
all that stuff in there if the plow is going100100:51:13.000 --> 00:51:15.519
to happen soon and then you would lose everything, So100200:51:16.280 --> 00:51:18.599
he must be in a different machine.100300:51:19.079 --> 00:51:21.159
Yeah, and then what he's doing.100400:51:21.119 --> 00:51:23.440
I have no idea, but yeah, maybe it is for100500:51:23.519 --> 00:51:26.280
the exodus to the was that thorn valley they were100600:51:26.320 --> 00:51:29.400
going to go to correct Maybe he was working on100700:51:29.400 --> 00:51:31.679
our power source once they moved. That's the only thing100800:51:31.679 --> 00:51:34.000
I could think of. I think he did reference like100900:51:34.039 --> 00:51:34.679
something big.101000:51:35.159 --> 00:51:37.360
Yep, yep, must be what it is?101100:51:37.360 --> 00:51:40.199
There you go the power source for what they're going101200:51:40.199 --> 00:51:40.880
to survive on.101300:51:41.159 --> 00:51:44.280
Okay, well that leads to my next question, the good segue,101400:51:44.320 --> 00:51:47.639
because do we need to see Thorn Valley at the end.101500:51:47.760 --> 00:51:50.239
This is what it's all leading up to, all building101600:51:50.320 --> 00:51:53.079
up to, is this exodus to Thorn Valley where the101700:51:53.199 --> 00:51:55.480
rats are going to go. We don't ever see it,101800:51:55.880 --> 00:51:59.039
and we don't know what they're going to do or101900:51:59.079 --> 00:52:01.079
how they're going to survive once they get there.102000:52:01.480 --> 00:52:05.320
I was interested to see where Thorn Valley was because102100:52:05.360 --> 00:52:07.280
it was like it'd be hilarious. It's really just on102200:52:07.360 --> 00:52:09.679
the outskirts of the farm. It's just some little if102300:52:09.719 --> 00:52:11.360
It also is on just on the other side of102400:52:11.360 --> 00:52:15.800
the stone. Yeah, I did want to see it, but102500:52:15.920 --> 00:52:18.639
I didn't think it was necessary to see it. Okay,102600:52:19.079 --> 00:52:21.840
we've mentioned Dragon's lay Are tons of times throughout this.102700:52:22.280 --> 00:52:25.039
Did you ever finish the game? I never did. I102800:52:25.119 --> 00:52:29.440
never completed it. I believe I've watched the gameplay on102900:52:29.480 --> 00:52:33.199
a YouTube video so I could see what happens somebody103000:52:33.239 --> 00:52:36.079
playing it live and they finish it. But no, did103100:52:36.159 --> 00:52:38.360
you win the game? Had you gotten through it? Yes,103200:52:38.440 --> 00:52:41.159
I have. I remember the first time I saw someone103300:52:41.199 --> 00:52:43.519
beat it. I was in Atlantic City and there was103400:52:43.559 --> 00:52:45.840
this place, oh god, I think it was called Ocean One.103500:52:46.079 --> 00:52:48.039
They actually had the game on a big screen so103600:52:48.079 --> 00:52:51.440
people could gather around and watch, and some kid had103700:52:51.519 --> 00:52:54.360
finished it, and maybe it was like fifty people watching103800:52:54.400 --> 00:52:56.119
this kid finish the game. So I was the first103900:52:56.119 --> 00:53:00.599
time I saw the ending. All it is is memorization, right.104000:53:00.719 --> 00:53:05.880
I think there's maybe twenty six different animated scenes, and104100:53:05.920 --> 00:53:08.119
then it does them reverse. So once you learn how104200:53:08.119 --> 00:53:09.679
to do it, the one way all you got to104300:53:09.679 --> 00:53:12.280
do is just reverse on the on the other side,104400:53:12.280 --> 00:53:13.920
and then when you get to the final scene with104500:53:14.000 --> 00:53:18.159
the Princess Daphne, that's yeah, it's really not that hard.104600:53:18.400 --> 00:53:20.360
It's just, yeah, you just have to put the time104700:53:20.400 --> 00:53:23.079
in because I know so he did that Dragon's Layer104800:53:23.119 --> 00:53:26.079
two and then Space Ace and they're more linear. I104900:53:26.119 --> 00:53:29.480
was terrible at those. Yep, that's hard. They just didn't105000:53:29.480 --> 00:53:31.599
seem as fun. It's a kind of a bummer that105100:53:31.679 --> 00:53:34.960
didn't catch on as well. Yeah, but the problem was105200:53:35.039 --> 00:53:38.840
the games were very they were expensive to make, and105300:53:38.880 --> 00:53:41.639
they broke down really easily from because of your everything105400:53:41.679 --> 00:53:45.000
was on a disc record sides discs. Someone hit it105500:53:45.119 --> 00:53:48.039
and knocked it off whack. But yeah, I don't know105600:53:48.039 --> 00:53:51.599
if I ever knew that. Yeah, Yeah, that's that's cool man. Yeah,105700:53:51.679 --> 00:53:54.480
that was during the time it captured my imagination because105800:53:54.519 --> 00:53:57.480
the animation in the game just looked so cool. Oh yeah,105900:53:58.039 --> 00:54:00.679
And I mean that was the first attract. And it's106000:54:00.760 --> 00:54:04.079
like this medieval fun story and your hero is kind106100:54:04.079 --> 00:54:08.639
of goofy but still cool. And on top of it,106200:54:08.639 --> 00:54:11.400
it was during that Choose your Own Adventure phase that106300:54:11.440 --> 00:54:14.400
I was going through reading Choose your Own Adventure books.106400:54:14.440 --> 00:54:17.920
And playing Yes, God, I love those two the text106500:54:18.239 --> 00:54:20.800
Choose your Own Adventure game on Apple two wee and106600:54:20.920 --> 00:54:23.800
was playing Zork. Love that game. I'm waiting for that106700:54:23.920 --> 00:54:25.760
movie to come out. I'm sure it will at some point.106800:54:26.320 --> 00:54:29.199
And because you were just doing you just writing text106900:54:29.360 --> 00:54:33.400
and giving directions and it's just totally left to your imagination,107000:54:33.519 --> 00:54:35.480
dragons Layer had a little bit of that feel like107100:54:35.519 --> 00:54:37.880
you were choosing the direction where your character could go,107200:54:37.960 --> 00:54:39.960
you know, choose or you know the adventure he was107300:54:40.000 --> 00:54:42.239
about to go on. So it had that same kind107400:54:42.320 --> 00:54:43.960
of magical quality to it.107500:54:44.239 --> 00:54:46.440
Yeah, and the fact it kind of randomized, like you107600:54:46.440 --> 00:54:50.119
could play the game ten times and it would take107700:54:50.119 --> 00:54:52.360
you on a journey ten different ways. And I think107800:54:52.360 --> 00:54:54.119
that was kind of fun about it, which is what107900:54:54.199 --> 00:54:57.039
I didn't like about Space Ace or dragons Layer two.108000:54:58.119 --> 00:55:01.760
Right, makes sense. I got a couple more questions real quick. One,108100:55:02.199 --> 00:55:05.840
if Nicodemus could see that Missus Brisbee was in trouble108200:55:05.920 --> 00:55:09.559
after the plow scene, there's a quick scene where you108300:55:09.599 --> 00:55:11.760
have Nicodemus looking through his like what is it called,108400:55:11.760 --> 00:55:14.840
like that hologram, It's like a I don't even know,108500:55:14.920 --> 00:55:16.599
like a looking glass. I don't know what it is.108600:55:16.639 --> 00:55:20.559
But he can see what's happening outside of the rose Bush,108700:55:20.880 --> 00:55:26.400
and he keys in on Missus Brisbee, who is clearly108800:55:26.440 --> 00:55:29.480
in trouble and now has talked to Anti Shrew and108900:55:29.519 --> 00:55:31.280
Auntie Shrew says you need to go talk to the109000:55:31.280 --> 00:55:36.159
Great Owl, and Nicodemus is watching, going, yes, Missus Brisbee,109100:55:36.199 --> 00:55:39.400
go seek the wisdom of the Great Owl and that109200:55:39.480 --> 00:55:42.800
should help you on your journey. And I'm like, hey, Nick,109300:55:43.239 --> 00:55:46.320
why don't you just skip a step and go get her,109400:55:46.599 --> 00:55:50.320
Like you can just leave the Rosebush, go find Missus Brisbee.109500:55:50.679 --> 00:55:53.360
You know that she needs to, like it, just seemed109600:55:53.440 --> 00:55:56.559
though he had this magic eye, this eye and the109700:55:56.599 --> 00:55:58.400
sky kind of thing, and could see what was going109800:55:58.440 --> 00:56:01.079
on with her, and all already knew she was in109900:56:01.119 --> 00:56:03.440
trouble and that eventually she was going to come to110000:56:03.519 --> 00:56:05.840
him as if she It was kind of like almost110100:56:05.880 --> 00:56:08.719
like a prophecies kind of thing where he figured the110200:56:08.760 --> 00:56:12.599
wife of Jonathan Brisbee would eventually come to his doorstep.110300:56:12.840 --> 00:56:14.880
So it was like, if he knows that, why not110400:56:14.960 --> 00:56:17.400
just send some rats out to go retrieve her, get110500:56:17.440 --> 00:56:20.079
her and then find out exactly what it is what110600:56:20.119 --> 00:56:22.639
she needs, which is their help. Does that make sense?110700:56:22.800 --> 00:56:25.440
Yeah, well he should have sawd too that Jenner was110800:56:25.440 --> 00:56:28.639
plot in the kiln, you know, yeah, do you think110900:56:28.679 --> 00:56:29.400
about that too much?111000:56:29.559 --> 00:56:29.760
Yeah?111100:56:30.400 --> 00:56:32.239
A lot of issues going on at that point.111200:56:32.400 --> 00:56:35.159
I had a really simple question for you, Actually, go ahead.111300:56:35.519 --> 00:56:38.159
Do you think the Great Owl, who was really cool?111400:56:38.800 --> 00:56:40.119
Does he look like an owl?111500:56:40.599 --> 00:56:43.800
It was interesting because we meet him and he's covered111600:56:43.840 --> 00:56:49.119
in cobwebs, But would he just sit there and spiders111700:56:49.480 --> 00:56:51.840
spin webs on him that fast during the day and111800:56:51.880 --> 00:56:54.800
then he goes out, eats and repeats the process.111900:56:55.280 --> 00:56:59.559
He looked cool, he looked great. It's just I'm used112000:56:59.599 --> 00:57:02.880
to the the classic look of an owl that has112100:57:03.320 --> 00:57:06.400
kind of a roundish head that you know obviously can turn.112200:57:06.920 --> 00:57:09.760
The toosy pop out. That's who you're looking for. Yeah,112300:57:10.280 --> 00:57:10.840
I expect.112400:57:10.880 --> 00:57:13.480
And he just kind of looked old and curmudgeonly and112500:57:13.519 --> 00:57:15.920
just kind of kind of strange, just covered in hair112600:57:16.000 --> 00:57:17.480
and feathers and webs.112700:57:17.519 --> 00:57:20.159
Like you said, Yeah, he's been around for a while.112800:57:20.159 --> 00:57:21.800
It's got a lot of bones in that, that's for sure.112900:57:22.199 --> 00:57:22.519
Yeah.113000:57:22.599 --> 00:57:25.239
Yeah, Oh, I just got even to miss Brisbee man113100:57:25.280 --> 00:57:27.639
with the name drop god every time she said her113200:57:27.800 --> 00:57:31.639
husband's name, boom. I just got what you needed. That's awesome,113300:57:32.280 --> 00:57:33.840
that's right. Do you know who I am?113400:57:34.599 --> 00:57:38.039
Right? Free steak Dinners for life? That that movie was113500:57:38.079 --> 00:57:40.079
made today? Do you know who I am?113600:57:41.280 --> 00:57:43.800
Jonathan Brisbee's wife, O my house.113700:57:45.440 --> 00:57:47.679
You wouldn't be alive if it wasn't for my husband.113800:57:48.000 --> 00:57:50.400
Ye okay, let's move on to a rating. So on113900:57:50.440 --> 00:57:53.199
a scale of one to five trackers, what do you114000:57:53.199 --> 00:57:53.880
give the secret to?114100:57:53.960 --> 00:57:57.519
Nim? This was tough, Bill Band. I like this movie.114200:57:57.800 --> 00:58:00.360
I'm going to be generous. I'm giving it four tracks.114300:58:01.199 --> 00:58:03.639
I think this is it's a cool movie. You know114400:58:03.639 --> 00:58:05.039
why I'm going to give it for is because I114500:58:05.079 --> 00:58:07.440
think it was an achievement for the time. We didn't114600:58:07.440 --> 00:58:09.960
talk about it in our Fun Facts and Trivia specifically,114700:58:10.000 --> 00:58:12.159
you did touch on it in the very beginning of114800:58:12.199 --> 00:58:15.719
our podcast. The fact is, Don Bluth and several other114900:58:15.760 --> 00:58:19.920
animators literally left Disney and this was to do this115000:58:20.280 --> 00:58:23.199
out of the gate, and they did not have a115100:58:23.280 --> 00:58:27.119
large budget, and Blue took a chance with not only115200:58:27.559 --> 00:58:30.000
you know, changing some stuff from the book clearly, but115300:58:30.079 --> 00:58:33.280
also it was a risk. It is dark in tone.115400:58:33.840 --> 00:58:35.880
They didn't have a lot of money to work with,115500:58:36.519 --> 00:58:39.480
and they did it. The movie's fun, it's entertaining. It115600:58:39.480 --> 00:58:42.320
has a great score by Jerry Goldsmith. There's some rollicking115700:58:42.400 --> 00:58:45.159
adventure to be had. I love the action sequences. It115800:58:45.280 --> 00:58:49.119
is extremely colorful. Dom Delawez is really fun in the115900:58:49.159 --> 00:58:52.199
scenes that he has as Jeremy the Crow. And I116000:58:52.400 --> 00:58:55.719
liked it following Missus Brisbee or Missus Frisbee if you116100:58:55.719 --> 00:58:59.559
will on her journey, love the locations, love me some116200:58:59.599 --> 00:59:02.400
good low or was it a little confusing at times?116300:59:02.480 --> 00:59:05.079
And did it come out of nowhere at times? Yeah?116400:59:05.360 --> 00:59:09.280
It did, but it didn't bother me enough to give116500:59:09.280 --> 00:59:11.119
it a lower rating than for so I'm gonna give116600:59:11.159 --> 00:59:13.599
it for tractors nice.116700:59:13.679 --> 00:59:15.920
I'm gonna give it three and a half. I think116800:59:16.000 --> 00:59:17.880
I probably like this movie now more than I did116900:59:17.880 --> 00:59:20.519
as a kid. I really didn't remember that much going117000:59:20.559 --> 00:59:23.559
back to watch it, and I really had no interest117100:59:23.760 --> 00:59:26.559
in seeing it. If it wasn't for this podcast, I117200:59:26.599 --> 00:59:28.119
don't know if I ever would have seen the movie again.117300:59:28.239 --> 00:59:30.079
I have a copy of it. Someone gave me a117400:59:30.119 --> 00:59:32.280
copy of it for our kids, and I'm just like,117500:59:32.760 --> 00:59:34.239
I just kind of remember to being dark. I don't117600:59:34.239 --> 00:59:36.079
know my kids will be into it, but now I117700:59:36.079 --> 00:59:38.280
feel like I need to show them this. I'm wondering117800:59:38.320 --> 00:59:41.440
if they'll like it at their age. I mean they're teenagers,117900:59:41.840 --> 00:59:43.760
but yeah, it might be that thing Mouse movie what118000:59:43.800 --> 00:59:46.559
I want to watch this Mouse movie for. But I118100:59:46.559 --> 00:59:48.840
almost feel like I'm the right aide to enjoy this118200:59:48.920 --> 00:59:49.559
movie right now.118300:59:49.639 --> 00:59:53.000
I don't know. Yeah, it's a great point you made118400:59:53.079 --> 00:59:54.159
right from the beginning.118500:59:54.039 --> 00:59:58.239
And I agree. I enjoyed the score. I just really118600:59:58.559 --> 01:00:03.079
enjoyed listening to Dom Delle Louise. And it's eighty two118701:00:03.079 --> 01:00:05.920
minutes and it's it's fast. It's it's really quick, and118801:00:05.960 --> 01:00:08.199
that's always a good sign. Nothing worse than having an118901:00:08.239 --> 01:00:10.639
eighty two minute animated movie and feeling like it's four119001:00:10.639 --> 01:00:13.039
hours and it drags. It really doesn't. There's a lot119101:00:13.039 --> 01:00:16.239
of good and it's not cheap animation. The whole body119201:00:16.280 --> 01:00:18.400
moves when they're talking, they're animated, it's just not the119301:00:18.440 --> 01:00:21.360
mouth that's just saying words. There's a lot of movement.119401:00:21.400 --> 01:00:24.639
There's a lot of love that's put into this film.119501:00:24.639 --> 01:00:27.280
You can really see it. And credit to the animators119601:00:27.280 --> 01:00:29.159
and all the hard work they did, putting in time119701:00:29.199 --> 01:00:31.840
and effort to it. It really does show on the screen.119801:00:32.079 --> 01:00:34.519
So this was a big surprise for me. I mean,119901:00:34.840 --> 01:00:36.320
you and I had a hard time trying to pick120001:00:36.400 --> 01:00:39.400
a movie to do. We did the schedule. All we120101:00:39.440 --> 01:00:42.239
put was animated movie and I kept going back and forth,120201:00:42.280 --> 01:00:44.360
going what are we going to do? I don't even120301:00:44.360 --> 01:00:46.920
know if I'd like any of these, And you said,120401:00:46.960 --> 01:00:49.599
let's try this, And I'm glad you picked this one.120501:00:49.760 --> 01:00:51.119
This makes up for the hitcher, Jason.120601:00:53.480 --> 01:00:56.039
I appreciate that. Yeah, I still are you for the120701:00:56.079 --> 01:00:58.599
Ice Pirates though, Oh that's true. It was a labor120801:00:58.639 --> 01:01:00.920
of love. It was a painstaking price. You can find120901:01:01.000 --> 01:01:03.400
all of the technical details in the trivia if you121001:01:03.400 --> 01:01:05.559
want to look it up, do a little research. But121101:01:05.920 --> 01:01:08.519
I appreciate the fact that Don Bluth decided to go121201:01:08.519 --> 01:01:10.519
a little old school. He went back to some classic121301:01:10.559 --> 01:01:14.440
techniques that he thought had been put aside just to121401:01:15.239 --> 01:01:18.440
get this style of animation done so and it paid off.121501:01:18.480 --> 01:01:20.920
I'm glad you, said Sprite. I was also pleasantly surprised.121601:01:20.920 --> 01:01:23.519
So yeah, and I want to find this book now.121701:01:23.960 --> 01:01:26.599
I'm surprised, right, I just never really come across it.121801:01:26.599 --> 01:01:28.039
It's a cool idea.121901:01:28.719 --> 01:01:31.119
Yeah, yeah, I'd like to know how different it really122001:01:31.199 --> 01:01:32.559
is from the book.122101:01:32.480 --> 01:01:37.440
National Institute for Mental Health nim wild. Okay, that wraps122201:01:37.480 --> 01:01:38.559
it up for this week's episode.122301:01:38.679 --> 01:01:40.360
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Night World.123601:02:33.199 --> 01:02:36.119
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That's an interesting accent.
